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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Dimitris Chloupis

I forgot to add that I will create a new tutorial that will contain how to get the git project added to Package Browser and generally update the workflow, but I am waiting for testing also meta-data less gitfiletree and see if gitfiletree fixes its problems on macos at least ( unfortunately SubprocessOS does not currently work on Windows which is what I think gitfiletree tries to port to to fix the issues on macos). On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 3:07 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > fair enough, its obviously your choice, but please note that text > documentation is slowly dying. And no I am not talking about Pharo > documentation. > > As you probably aware of , book sales have plummeted the last decade that > adsl connection speed has been rapidly rising. So there is not even a > comparison between the quantity and quality of video tutorials compared to > text tutorial which we see a very steady decline. Even University who have > taken their courses online have solely preferred the video format to text > documentation, although you can still get some text documentation for > reference purposes. > > My video tutorial explain the whole process of working pharo with git, to > my knowledge is the only tutorial that does this, it takes from how to do > things with filetree, how to use baselines (i think I included that one but > my connection is down and I cant check this) , how to use git (contrary to > other pharo git documentation that assumes knowledge of git) and how to use > an external gui client (something I highly recommend because there is no > replacement for it with pharo ) . Sourcetree is used as an example , you > can use any other git gui client instead. I chose not to present > gitfiletree because at the time it had problem on both MacOS and Windows, > dont know if Thierry has fixed those issues. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> To be honest I don't watch videos if I want something to know. So I skip >> those nearly always. Your tutorial (didn't watch) seems to be about github >> and sourcetree. So it does not seem to touch any of my problems. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 26.01.2016 um 13:31 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >> "I'm eager to try a new project with some git repositories. But to be >> honest I don't really get it. Searching the web there is lots to find but >> nothing actual." >> >> Searching "pharo git" on youtube bring my video tutorial top on the list >> of search results >> "https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+git" >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> using the bitbucket:// scheme and authority leads to a download url of >>> >>> https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/<password>@2denker.zip >>> >>> where NorbertHartl and <password> are the credentials and 2denker is the >>> user. The project name is stripped off. >>> >>> So this does not work as expected. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier < >>> thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >>> >>> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier < >>> thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Hi Norbert, >>> >>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for >>> the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will >>> handle them. >>> >>> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of >>> the url like >>> >>> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. >>> >>> >>> I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >>> >>> I try that tomorrow. >>> >>> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. >>> >>> >>> They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, >>> >>> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https >>> >>> >>> Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using >>> the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install >>> gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. >>> >>> >>> I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username >>> and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. >>> >>> >>> I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> >>

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Thierry Goubier

2016-01-26 13:32 GMT+01:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > > Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > >: > > Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : > > > Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > Hi, > > Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > >: > > Hi Norbert, > > Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the > credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle > them. > > I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the > url like > > https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. > > > I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( > > I try that tomorrow. > > But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. > > > They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, > > gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https > > > Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the > read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install > gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. > > > I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username > and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. > > > I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. > > Ok, I got it through the unknown url scheme but indeed the credentials are > stripped off. > I'll implement something later today. Thierry > > Norbert > >

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Dimitris Chloupis

fair enough, its obviously your choice, but please note that text documentation is slowly dying. And no I am not talking about Pharo documentation. As you probably aware of , book sales have plummeted the last decade that adsl connection speed has been rapidly rising. So there is not even a comparison between the quantity and quality of video tutorials compared to text tutorial which we see a very steady decline. Even University who have taken their courses online have solely preferred the video format to text documentation, although you can still get some text documentation for reference purposes. My video tutorial explain the whole process of working pharo with git, to my knowledge is the only tutorial that does this, it takes from how to do things with filetree, how to use baselines (i think I included that one but my connection is down and I cant check this) , how to use git (contrary to other pharo git documentation that assumes knowledge of git) and how to use an external gui client (something I highly recommend because there is no replacement for it with pharo ) . Sourcetree is used as an example , you can use any other git gui client instead. I chose not to present gitfiletree because at the time it had problem on both MacOS and Windows, dont know if Thierry has fixed those issues. On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Thanks. > > To be honest I don't watch videos if I want something to know. So I skip > those nearly always. Your tutorial (didn't watch) seems to be about github > and sourcetree. So it does not seem to touch any of my problems. > > Norbert > > Am 26.01.2016 um 13:31 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > > "I'm eager to try a new project with some git repositories. But to be > honest I don't really get it. Searching the web there is lots to find but > nothing actual." > > Searching "pharo git" on youtube bring my video tutorial top on the list > of search results > "https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+git" > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> using the bitbucket:// scheme and authority leads to a download url of >> >> https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/<password>@2denker.zip >> >> where NorbertHartl and <password> are the credentials and 2denker is the >> user. The project name is stripped off. >> >> So this does not work as expected. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> >> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >> Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >> >> >> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Hi, >> >> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >> Hi Norbert, >> >> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for >> the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will >> handle them. >> >> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the >> url like >> >> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. >> >> >> I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >> >> I try that tomorrow. >> >> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. >> >> >> They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, >> >> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https >> >> >> Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using >> the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install >> gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. >> >> >> I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username >> and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. >> >> >> I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Norbert Hartl

Thanks. To be honest I don't watch videos if I want something to know. So I skip those nearly always. Your tutorial (didn't watch) seems to be about github and sourcetree. So it does not seem to touch any of my problems. Norbert > Am 26.01.2016 um 13:31 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > > "I'm eager to try a new project with some git repositories. But to be honest I don't really get it. Searching the web there is lots to find but nothing actual." > > Searching "pharo git" on youtube bring my video tutorial top on the list of search results > "https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+git <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+git>" > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: > Hi, > > using the bitbucket:// scheme and authority leads to a download url of > > https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/<password>@2denker.zip <https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/%3Cpassword%3E@2denker.zip> > > where NorbertHartl and <password> are the credentials and 2denker is the user. The project name is stripped off. > > So this does not work as expected. > > Norbert > >> Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>>: >> >>> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Norbert, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle them. >>>>>> >>>>> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the url like >>>>> >>>>> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/ <https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/>â¦. >>> >>> I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >>> >>>>> I try that tomorrow. >>>>> >>>> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. >>> >>> They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, >>> >>> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https <> >> >> Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. >>> >>> I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. >> >> I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. >> >> Norbert >

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > >> >> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >> >> Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>>: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Norbert, >>>>> >>>>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle them. >>>>> >>>> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the url like >>>> >>>> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/ <https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/>â¦. >> >> I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >> >>>> I try that tomorrow. >>>> >>> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. >> >> They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, >> >> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https <gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https> > > Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. >> >> I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. > > I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. > Ok, I got it through the unknown url scheme but indeed the credentials are stripped off. Norbert

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Dimitris Chloupis

"I'm eager to try a new project with some git repositories. But to be honest I don't really get it. Searching the web there is lots to find but nothing actual." Searching "pharo git" on youtube bring my video tutorial top on the list of search results "https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pharo+git" On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Hi, > > using the bitbucket:// scheme and authority leads to a download url of > > https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/<password>@2denker.zip > > where NorbertHartl and <password> are the credentials and 2denker is the > user. The project name is stripped off. > > So this does not work as expected. > > Norbert > > Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > > Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > >: > > Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : > > > Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > Hi, > > Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > >: > > Hi Norbert, > > Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the > credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle > them. > > I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the > url like > > https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. > > > I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( > > I try that tomorrow. > > But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. > > > They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, > > gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https > > > Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the > read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install > gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. > > > I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username > and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. > > > I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. > > Norbert > > >

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Norbert Hartl

Hi, using the bitbucket:// scheme and authority leads to a download url of https://bitbucket.org/NorbertHartl/get/<password>@2denker.zip where NorbertHartl and <password> are the credentials and 2denker is the user. The project name is stripped off. So this does not work as expected. Norbert > Am 26.01.2016 um 13:03 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > >> >> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >> >> Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>>: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Norbert, >>>>> >>>>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle them. >>>>> >>>> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the url like >>>> >>>> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/ <https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/>â¦. >> >> I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >> >>>> I try that tomorrow. >>>> >>> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. >> >> They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, >> >> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https <gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https> > > Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. >> >> I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. > > I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. > > Norbert

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 13:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https > > Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. I am only following this discussion from the sidelines, but I just wanted to say that the URL above parses correctly without problems: This is in Pharo 4, with the following relevant package: Name: Zinc-Resource-Meta-Core-PavelKrivanek.56 Author: PavelKrivanek Time: 30 October 2015, 11:36:17.550123 am UUID: 8a7851bd-d01d-4943-b929-ec85436de54f Ancestors: Zinc-Resource-Meta-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.55 I haven't seen your stack trace of course, but it should work. Sven

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:32 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > > Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : >> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Hi Norbert, >>>> >>>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle them. >>>> >>> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the url like >>> >>> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. > > I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( > >>> I try that tomorrow. >>> >> But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. > > They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, > > gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https <gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https> Does not work for me. It complains about unknown url scheme. But using the read-only version of gitfiletree would still mean I have to install gitfiletree, no? I have no glue hot the url with bitbucket:// could work. > > I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. I see no reason why. You can use ssh with username and password as well. Norbert

Jan. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo + git workflow

by Thierry Goubier

Le 25/01/2016 23:13, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : > >> Am 25.01.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Hi, >> >>> Am 25.01.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Hi Norbert, >>> >>> Just tell me if you need any additional parameter to the git clone for the credentials, because I'm not sure I have written the code which will handle them. >>> >> I'll check that. The easiest approach is to use the authority part of the url like >> >> https://user:pass@bitbucket.org/â¦. I'm nearly sure my code doesn't check for them and silently drop them :( >> I try that tomorrow. >> > But then I don't think that sub-directories work per http. They do over https. But remember the syntax is, to take your url, gitfiletree://user:pass@bitbucket.org/...?protocol=https I wonder if I can write code that considers that if you have a username and a password, then it should use https and not ssh. Thierry

Jan. 25, 2016