December 2015 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by Robert Withers

> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:58 PM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > -- > As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the > fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. --- The knowledge sacrifice is superior To any material sacrifice, O Arjuna. Because, all actions in their entirety Culminate in knowledge. --- > Dear SaÅ¡a, Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and a good thing too. As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) Hare hare and Merry Christmas, Robert > > > > >

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2015-12-25 14:37 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > As I said I away but if you are in hurry you can see the code here > > > https://github.com/kilon/ChronosManager/blob/master/ChronosManager.package/… > > Thank you Dimitris, no rush for this. > The idea is that the class carries the current release of the project that > is installed while the latest release is read online from inside a release > file which is a simple text file with release information written in human > readable format. > So each method/class change will increase number to a new class version? > Regex is used to detect a v0.1 pattern and top most find is used for > fetching the number of latest release. Autoupdate also checks internet > connection with github so the user never see an error in case of failure to > connect instead it just does not update. > > Ok, the AppUpdater uses periodicity to set the frequency of updates. I will try to generalize to handle internet connection and other repositories like GitHub. > Next step will be to clean up and delete any previously downloaded files > via autoupdate. This way image folder won't grow in size in each autoupdate. > UIManager can be used to alert the user for a new update and ask for > permission to download it. There is no reason for git to be installed for > autoupdate to work , only thing needed is a normal Pharo image. > > Cool :) > When I return to Athens I will improve it further and document it. > Have a nice trip. Cheers, HernÃ¡n > > On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 at 17:05, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Dimitris, >> >> 2015-12-25 13:01 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my >>> machine. >>> >>> But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a >>> look at standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is >>> that is both very easy and extremely flexible. You can also change the icon >>> of the app and and the name of the Pharo executable to make the user >>> completely unaware officials Pharo existence. You can also add squeak to >>> your google searches because they have been several posts about this in the >>> squeak mailing list . Pharo is incompatible with squeak but it's still a >>> fork of squeak so there is a lot of common ground. >>> >>> After that you can start removing packages you don't need, Pharo is in >>> the process of of being modularlized so that is easy to start with a >>> skeleton image. If you are in need of a specific Pharo library choosing >>> Cuis which is also a squeak fork is simple and much lighter than Pharo >>> image. Squeak , Pharo and Cuis share the same VMs. >>> >>> Las but not least if you are on Windows there has been a thread on our >>> list on how to make window installers for Pharo apps the easy way. You may >>> want to google that too, I think Damien made a guide about it . >>> >>> We can go on and on and on how much Pharo can be customized. I even >>> recently made an auto update functionality for me Pharo project >>> ChronosManager which detects if the github repository has a new release >>> available and downloads it so that the user use always the latest stable >>> release without a need to worry about it or do anything about it ;) >>> >> >> If you don't mind to share, I could try to integrate it in >> ApplicationUpdater >> >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/ApplicationUpdater >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >>> >>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 at 13:42, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 11:48 +0100, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high >>>> > chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it >>>> > on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website). >>>> >>>> OK. No problem. >>>> >>>> > For the deployment you have a different virtual machine for >>>> > OSX/Linux/windows. >>>> >>>> That's clear. :-) >>>> >>>> > For now the VM is only 32b, this can create some trouble for Linux >>>> > users but the 64b VM should come soon! :) maybe for Pharo 6? >>>> >>>> Pharo-5 is scheduled for the 1Q/2016? >>>> >>>> > For now there is not a lot of classic application. I think you can >>>> > take a look at Dr Geo. >>>> >>>> That one looks interesting. Thank you for that. >>>> >>>> > If you want to do open source you can use the same method that >>>> > PharoLauncher that open a window in full screen and let a setting for >>>> > developers to be able to get a classic Pharo environment. But the user >>>> > might have acess to the code through GTSpotter or Morph's halos. >>>> >>>> I plan to do open-source, but would like to hide code and other dev >>>> tools in order not to confus end-users. >>>> >>>> > If you don't want the user to get an acess to the code by any mean you >>>> > have to cut everything by hand for now. (Disable spotter, disable >>>> > halo, disable world menu, disable the debugger...). >>>> >>>> OK, it means it's possible...Will explore and/or ask. ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> > I would like to have a way to lock an image directly from Pharo >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> > Welcome to Pharo and merry Christmas! >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Gour >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not >>>> working. One cannot even maintain one's physical body without work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:07 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > We wanted to generate slides, Cyril changed Pillar to generate slides. > We want to generate exercises and questions, we will change Pillar to > generate questions in a dedicated format for a specific MOOC platform. > Because Pillar is in Pharo, is well designed and is fully tested, we > can easily extend it the way we want.Â Thank you. That explains it nicely. ;) Sincerely, Gour -- As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:10 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > I don't like footnotes so I never added them. Heh, that's *you*, but I still wonder about all other Pillar users. > If you like them, Let me say that I *need* them - that's the nature of the content I write... > I guess it's less than a hundred lines of code using annotations.Â I'll take a look, but first things first. > Bold uses double quotes whereas italic uses single quotes. I guess > mixing them is no problem but I don't have my computer to check.Â I'm interested to find out - if someone has Pillar installed, before I venture into it. Sincerely, Gour --Â As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, the living entity is similarly covered by different degrees of this lust.

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

by Dimitris Chloupis

As I said I away but if you are in hurry you can see the code here https://github.com/kilon/ChronosManager/blob/master/ChronosManager.package/… The idea is that the class carries the current release of the project that is installed while the latest release is read online from inside a release file which is a simple text file with release information written in human readable format. Regex is used to detect a v0.1 pattern and top most find is used for fetching the number of latest release. Autoupdate also checks internet connection with github so the user never see an error in case of failure to connect instead it just does not update. Next step will be to clean up and delete any previously downloaded files via autoupdate. This way image folder won't grow in size in each autoupdate. UIManager can be used to alert the user for a new update and ask for permission to download it. There is no reason for git to be installed for autoupdate to work , only thing needed is a normal Pharo image. When I return to Athens I will improve it further and document it. On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 at 17:05, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Dimitris, > > 2015-12-25 13:01 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my >> machine. >> >> But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a look >> at standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is that is >> both very easy and extremely flexible. You can also change the icon of the >> app and and the name of the Pharo executable to make the user completely >> unaware officials Pharo existence. You can also add squeak to your google >> searches because they have been several posts about this in the squeak >> mailing list . Pharo is incompatible with squeak but it's still a fork of >> squeak so there is a lot of common ground. >> >> After that you can start removing packages you don't need, Pharo is in >> the process of of being modularlized so that is easy to start with a >> skeleton image. If you are in need of a specific Pharo library choosing >> Cuis which is also a squeak fork is simple and much lighter than Pharo >> image. Squeak , Pharo and Cuis share the same VMs. >> >> Las but not least if you are on Windows there has been a thread on our >> list on how to make window installers for Pharo apps the easy way. You may >> want to google that too, I think Damien made a guide about it . >> >> We can go on and on and on how much Pharo can be customized. I even >> recently made an auto update functionality for me Pharo project >> ChronosManager which detects if the github repository has a new release >> available and downloads it so that the user use always the latest stable >> release without a need to worry about it or do anything about it ;) >> > > If you don't mind to share, I could try to integrate it in > ApplicationUpdater > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/ApplicationUpdater > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > >> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 at 13:42, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >> >>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 11:48 +0100, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: >>> >>> >>> > First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high >>> > chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it >>> > on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website). >>> >>> OK. No problem. >>> >>> > For the deployment you have a different virtual machine for >>> > OSX/Linux/windows. >>> >>> That's clear. :-) >>> >>> > For now the VM is only 32b, this can create some trouble for Linux >>> > users but the 64b VM should come soon! :) maybe for Pharo 6? >>> >>> Pharo-5 is scheduled for the 1Q/2016? >>> >>> > For now there is not a lot of classic application. I think you can >>> > take a look at Dr Geo. >>> >>> That one looks interesting. Thank you for that. >>> >>> > If you want to do open source you can use the same method that >>> > PharoLauncher that open a window in full screen and let a setting for >>> > developers to be able to get a classic Pharo environment. But the user >>> > might have acess to the code through GTSpotter or Morph's halos. >>> >>> I plan to do open-source, but would like to hide code and other dev >>> tools in order not to confus end-users. >>> >>> > If you don't want the user to get an acess to the code by any mean you >>> > have to cut everything by hand for now. (Disable spotter, disable >>> > halo, disable world menu, disable the debugger...). >>> >>> OK, it means it's possible...Will explore and/or ask. ;) >>> >>> >>> > I would like to have a way to lock an image directly from Pharo >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> > Welcome to Pharo and merry Christmas! >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Gour >>> >>> -- >>> Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not >>> working. One cannot even maintain one's physical body without work. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by Damien Cassou

On December 25, 2015 6:02:05 PM GMT+01:00, "SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka" <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >Can Pillar handle footnotes? (I can't see on the cheetsheet.) I don't like footnotes so I never added them. If you like them, I guess it's less than a hundred lines of code using annotations. >Seeing that quotes are used for *both* italic and bold, I wonder if >Pillar can do nested inline markup, like e.g. bold-italic?Â Bold uses double quotes whereas italic uses single quotes. I guess mixing them is no problem but I don't have my computer to check. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by Damien Cassou

On December 25, 2015 5:02:13 PM GMT+01:00, "SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka" <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >Hiya, > >I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation >purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, >comparison >was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. >authoring books, but there are more capable markups with 'standard' >implementations like rst/Sphinx and Asciidoc(tor). > >Then I thought it must be some deeper reason, iow. something suitable >to >work more closely with Pharo itself. > >Now I have two questions: > >1) Can someone answer in more detail "Why Pillar?" and > >2) For some time I was considering whether to settle on using rst or >AsciiDoc for *all* my writings, which means blog posts, my study notes, >preparing books, writing articles etc. > >Since I've settled to use Python-powered static-site-generator (Nikola) >along with reStructuredText markup which can call external 'compilers' >to process blog posts written in specific markup, I wonder if it would >be possible to use Pillar markup with it since it seems there is cli >for >it? > > >Sincerely, >Gour >Â We wanted to generate slides, Cyril changed Pillar to generate slides. We want to generate exercises and questions, we will change Pillar to generate questions in a dedicated format for a specific MOOC platform. Because Pillar is in Pharo, is well designed and is fully tested, we can easily extend it the way we want. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 17:36 +0100, stepharo wrote: > Pillar exists before Markdown. > We did pillar syntax back in 2002. Heh, it's interesting that both rst & AsciiDoc are also, according to Wikipedia from 2002. :-) What about Pillar and Pharo? Any additional advantage to use it? > We do that with Pillar because we have the control over it and because > we have it since long time. The seaside book was fully written in > pillar. Can Pillar handle footnotes? (I can't see on the cheetsheet.) Seeing that quotes are used for *both* italic and bold, I wonder if Pillar can do nested inline markup, like e.g. bold-italic?Â It's one of the design limit of rst, but AsciiDoc can handle it. Sincerely, Gour --Â A person is said to be elevated in yoga when, having renounced all material desires, he neither acts for sense gratification nor engages in fruitive activities.

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Dimitris, 2015-12-25 13:01 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my > machine. > > But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a look > at standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is that is > both very easy and extremely flexible. You can also change the icon of the > app and and the name of the Pharo executable to make the user completely > unaware officials Pharo existence. You can also add squeak to your google > searches because they have been several posts about this in the squeak > mailing list . Pharo is incompatible with squeak but it's still a fork of > squeak so there is a lot of common ground. > > After that you can start removing packages you don't need, Pharo is in the > process of of being modularlized so that is easy to start with a skeleton > image. If you are in need of a specific Pharo library choosing Cuis which > is also a squeak fork is simple and much lighter than Pharo image. Squeak , > Pharo and Cuis share the same VMs. > > Las but not least if you are on Windows there has been a thread on our > list on how to make window installers for Pharo apps the easy way. You may > want to google that too, I think Damien made a guide about it . > > We can go on and on and on how much Pharo can be customized. I even > recently made an auto update functionality for me Pharo project > ChronosManager which detects if the github repository has a new release > available and downloads it so that the user use always the latest stable > release without a need to worry about it or do anything about it ;) > If you don't mind to share, I could try to integrate it in ApplicationUpdater http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/ApplicationUpdater Cheers, HernÃ¡n > > On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 at 13:42, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > >> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 11:48 +0100, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: >> >> >> > First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high >> > chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it >> > on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website). >> >> OK. No problem. >> >> > For the deployment you have a different virtual machine for >> > OSX/Linux/windows. >> >> That's clear. :-) >> >> > For now the VM is only 32b, this can create some trouble for Linux >> > users but the 64b VM should come soon! :) maybe for Pharo 6? >> >> Pharo-5 is scheduled for the 1Q/2016? >> >> > For now there is not a lot of classic application. I think you can >> > take a look at Dr Geo. >> >> That one looks interesting. Thank you for that. >> >> > If you want to do open source you can use the same method that >> > PharoLauncher that open a window in full screen and let a setting for >> > developers to be able to get a classic Pharo environment. But the user >> > might have acess to the code through GTSpotter or Morph's halos. >> >> I plan to do open-source, but would like to hide code and other dev >> tools in order not to confus end-users. >> >> > If you don't want the user to get an acess to the code by any mean you >> > have to cut everything by hand for now. (Disable spotter, disable >> > halo, disable world menu, disable the debugger...). >> >> OK, it means it's possible...Will explore and/or ask. ;) >> >> >> > I would like to have a way to lock an image directly from Pharo >> >> +1 >> >> >> > Welcome to Pharo and merry Christmas! >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Gour >> >> -- >> Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not >> working. One cannot even maintain one's physical body without work. >> >> >> >> >> >>

Dec. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

by SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka

On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 17:38 +0100, stepharo wrote: > In the future we plan to do better for deployment but for now we > deploy an image and control the debugger (check UnhandledError) and > menu OK. Good. Sincerely, Gour -- A person is considered still further advanced when he regards honest well-wishers, affectionate benefactors, the neutral, mediators, the envious, friends and enemies, the pious and the sinners all with an equal mind.

Dec. 25, 2015