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Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by Tudor Girba

Thanks for these words, Phil. Doru On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:03 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals > dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and > making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much > indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, > nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great > piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then > there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it > is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [ Article ] LampSort Revisited, Visualised

by Alain Rastoul

Le 18/01/2015 22:25, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : Immersion in a living system, that's one thing you definitely want to stick with. And the visualization is really cool Thank you Sven :) > Yes, this is a cool article! > > Alexandre > > >> On Jan 18, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Sven, >> >> This is really a nice piece that shows several things: >> - how object logging eases debugging >> - how easy it is to visualize otherwise shapeless objects >> - how embedding visualization in the development process improves productivity dramatically >> >> Thanks! >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I wrote another article >> >> LampSort Revisited, Visualised >> Combining Object Logging & Agile Visualisation >> https://medium.com/concerning-pharo/lampsort-revisited-visualised-6652055ef… >> >> It is an introduction and tutorial on object logging using a simple, concrete example, combining that technique with agile visualisation and advanced tools, to get amazing insight into code, easily. >> >> It cumulates in a full, animated visualisation as shown in the following screencast movie >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrsm6E7iA9w >> >> Thanks to Pierre Chanson, Doru Girba and Alex Bregel for helping me and for their, their teams and the whole Pharo community's work making all this possible. >> >> Sven >> >> PS: >> >> This article is part of the 'Concerning Pharo' collection on medium.com [ https://medium.com/concerning-pharo ], which I maintain. It contains all my medium.com articles that are 'about software development using a pure dynamic object oriented language in an immersive live environment focused on simplicity and feedback'. >> >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> Proudly supporting Pharo >> http://pharo.org >> http://association.pharo.org >> http://consortium.pharo.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > -- Regards, Alain

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by stepharo

Le 19/1/15 14:14, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship: >> >> First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, >> "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle >> cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the >> Luftwaffe >> <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ). >> >> I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize >> for this? > As a german living in France I feel insulted. you should not marcus. German strategy was much smarter than french arrogance with the idiot maginot line :) (I know I'm french) Now this has nothing to do with this mailing-list. So we should stop this thread for real now. > > Marcus >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

RTOSM was not yet in the latest successful build of Moose 5.1 Just for the record, I got it by loading ConfigurationOfRoassal2 1.9 > On 19 Jan 2015, at 15:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > It should yes > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > Alexandre > > >> On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Tudor Girba

Great. Doru On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, I agree. This is on our todo. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > I strongly believe that the concrete implementation that links Roassal > to the data format should be moved to a separate package and ideally, to > another configuration. > > > > The generic engine should be decoupled from concrete data sources. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > It should yes > > > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > > > Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Sven, >> I got Richardâs message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full postâ¦ > I did read it, it was well written and I agree with what you said. Thanks. > > But you were too polite, you give him the benefit of the doubt. No, I asked for proof. Too polite? Well, not all the comments from the other side were polite, and I tried to help deescalate. > I don't think that I have to remind anyone of what ESUG means (now and in the past) for the larger Smalltalk community. I just do not even want to make that comparison, not even for the sake of the discussion. As long as there are no facts on the table, I think there are more people than just ESUG that have good reasons to be offended. We've had and still have quite a few initiatives that promote Smalltalk and where inidividuals or groups put lots of effort into. Be it blogs, books, link collections, meta-sites or whatever. Overall there is much more going on around Smalltalk than, say, ten years ago. I wanted to give Richard a chance to give us facts to understand why he thinks he has achieved more than others, and I think nobody benefits if we just bash a person for his choice of words in a few postings. I personally have no idea what he's up to and if he's working on something spectacular. We haven't seen it yet, but he pre-announced a lot. Joachim

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 19 Jan 2015, at 20:00, <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > > Sven, > > I got Richardâs message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full postâ¦ I did read it, it was well written and I agree with what you said. But you were too polite, you give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think that I have to remind anyone of what ESUG means (now and in the past) for the larger Smalltalk community. I just do not even want to make that comparison, not even for the sake of the discussion. > Joachim > > Von: Sven Van Caekenberghe > Gesendet: âMontagâ, â19â. âJanuarâ â2015 â19â:â17 > An: Any question about pharo is welcome > > > > On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > > > All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. > > I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. > > Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [Pharo-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Thushar G R

That looks great. Thank you for your work. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, I agree. This is on our todo. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > I strongly believe that the concrete implementation that links Roassal > to the data format should be moved to a separate package and ideally, to > another configuration. > > > > The generic engine should be decoupled from concrete data sources. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > It should yes > > > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > > > Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by kilon alios

Actually I could add the book to github group for Pharo documentation so everyone can contribute as long as he is the member of the group which already contains the source for the new PBE and Pharo for the Enterprise and all other books. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:41 PM, nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Great!! Great!! Kilon, > Please let me help you, at least reading the drafts or whatever I can be > usefull to. > I'm eager to learn morphic!!! > cheers > Nacho > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/What-we-have-with-our-community-near-indestructible-t… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Code highlight

by Johan Fabry

I had a quick look. I confirm that TextModel keeps a value holder on the current selection interval, in the instance variable named âselection', but apparently there is no API to register to notifications to that. I consider that a missing feature, so I think it is best that you add a bug report for that. In the mean time, Iâm sure you could hack something together that registers your application for notifications of the value holder that is in âselectionâ ;-) > On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:03, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Just tried, nope it doesn't work :) > > 2015-01-19 15:51 GMT+01:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl <mailto:jfabry@dcc.uchile.cl>>: > > Iâm not sure that this is what you need, but have you tried changing the read selection block? ( TextModel>>readSelectionBlock: aBlock ) I would imagine that that is the block that is called when a selection is changed. > >> On Jan 19, 2015, at 15:20, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com <mailto:mrizun@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Ok, I see. That's not good, but thanks. >> However, TextModel has selection as instance variable, so maybe I could implement event that I need? ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 19, 2015