July 2014 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Should I be reporting bugs in Pharo 3.0?

by Tim Mackinnon

I don't want to create lots of noise - or create unnecessary work, but if I find bugs in Pharo 3.0, should I be reporting them? Or do you want me to try and repro them in 4.0 and then report them under 4.0? For example, I have a class that was a subclass of CustomHelp that overrode the class #pages method. I then decided to use Wiki help, and so moved my class to subclass Object, but then i noticed that the #pages method (which I was about to delete) still had an override green arrow symbol. Curious - I clicked it and got a walkback (as the UI is wrong). How do I report that? Do you want me to? I do have a fobgugz account. I've also noticed another error with the locked methods pane (not sure what to call it, and also really don't fully understand how it works). However it gets corrupted with long wrapping strings in the source. Do I report that? Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Should-I-be-reporting-bugs-in-Pharo-3-0-tp4767284.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building UI with Spec vs Pharo

by Stephan Eggermont

Not much has changed since then. If you can manage to get away with using a higher level framework, you save time and effort. Glamour has less choice in widgets and layout, but in both you'll probably end up adding something that isn't there/ready yet. To understand how to add/complete something you'll have to dive into (Poly)Morph(ic) for both Spec and Glamour. Stephan

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building UI with Spec vs Pharo

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Well for the moment a diagram drawing tool (Class diagrams/State machines/...), however the end goal (in a time and space far far away) is a CASE tool. So for the moment I need a visualization (provided by Roassal), some way to display hierarchical/tree data, forms, popups and such (basically what I mentioned in previous post). Peter On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Spec is a user interface framework that is meant to be able to create any > kind of user interface. On the other hand Glamour is meant for browser-like > user interfaces where there is a flow from one element to another. So the > answer is: it depends on what you want to do. > > Could you tell us what is it that you are trying to build? > > > On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > what is the recommended framework for building UIs? As I understand it > Spec should be able to handle pretty much anything, however Glamour has > quite a lot of nice features and was recommended here > http://forum.world.st/Roassal-amp-Spec-td4690745.html as a higher-level > abstraction framework (albeit the issue here was mostly Roassal which as I > understand is a non issue since there is Roassal2Spec package). However I > haven't seen things like forms (text inputs, checkboxes, (radio)selects, > buttons) or popups (yes/no confirmations, prompts) made in Glamour so I am > unsure whether it is possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > >

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Red Exclamation in Nautilus?

by Tim Mackinnon

Thank you everyone - I shall continue to explore. In fact my idea was to create a Help book to document some of this stuff. As the first place I looked was in World | Help - which told me a about all kinds of other things, but not some of the basics. It seemed like it would be easy to add a CustomHelp subclass with a few pages documenting some of this stuff. And I would add a page each time I asked you guys a question or discovered something new. Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Red-Exclamation-in-Nautilus-tp4767242p4767254.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Red Exclamation in Nautilus?

by Marcus Denker

On 09 Jul 2014, at 18:07, Baptiste QuidÃ© <baptistequide(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > the exclamation mark means that your class has no class comment. You have to edit your comment class to switch the exclamation mark to the normal class icon (or morph icon, exception icon, etc. which that represent your class). > For the difference between "Add Class" and "Add full Class", apparently it seems to be a bug, because the behavior of the two options is the same (simply add a new class yo your package). Moreover "add Full Class" is not in the contextual menu on Pharo 4. > I think the original idea was to show a template with trait and poolDictionaryâ¦ which might be good to have. But I am not sureâ¦ so in Pharo4 I for now removed that duplication. We should back port that. Marcus

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Tim Mackinnon

Actually - I've realised that there is a simple thing that would be helpful on the http://pharo.org/download page. Where it mentions the Zero Conf script and the Hacker Downloads section points to the "(Read the ZeroConf chapter on http://www.deepintopharo.com)" - it would be much more useful if they also mentioned there are docs on "http://get.pharo.org/" That would have fixed my problem. Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797p4767251.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Tim Mackinnon

Uko - the pharo launcher actually sounds pretty good as I do have lots of images kicking around that I've lost track of, so I will give it a go. Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797p4767248.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

On 09 Jul 2014, at 17:37, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 09 Jul 2014, at 17:32, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> >> if you want a 1-click thing, you can get it from: http://pharo.org/download >> >> There is no such thing available for Pharo 4 as itâs in a development stage and only experienced hackers use it. You can run Pharo with >> > There isâ¦ > http://files.pharo.org/platform/ > Pardon me :) > We need to extend the website for Pharo4â¦ when it was done there was none yetâ¦ but we need that information. > >> ./pharo-ui Pharo.image >> >> as described at http://get.pharo.org. >> >> Personally I download images themselves. You can launch them on Mac with double click. Maybe youâll be also interested in Pharo launcher: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> Cheers! >> Uko >> >> On 09 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Tim Mackinnon <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Uko2 wrote >>>> you can run >>>> >>>> curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash >>>> >>>> To load latest image + vm. >>> >>> Does this actually work? I just ran it today - and it did download 2 scripts >>> and a pharo-vm directory. But when I run either of the scripts I get a file >>> prompter on OSX (presumably the VM asking me for the location of an image >>> file?). >>> >>> I would have expected it to give me something like the 1-click download that >>> would run? Do I also have to download a 40 image file as well? I expected >>> the 40+ of the command line to mean image? >>> >>> Am I missing something? >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797p4767236.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Red Exclamation in Nautilus?

by Baptiste QuidÃ©

Hi, the exclamation mark means that your class has no class comment. You have to edit your comment class to switch the exclamation mark to the normal class icon (or morph icon, exception icon, etc. which that represent your class). For the difference between "Add Class" and "Add full Class", apparently it seems to be a bug, because the behavior of the two options is the same (simply add a new class yo your package). Moreover "add Full Class" is not in the contextual menu on Pharo 4. *Baptiste QUIDÃ* *Ãtudiant ingÃ©nieur* *Polytech LilleDÃ©partement Informatique et Statistique(+33)6 21 69 20 09* 2014-07-09 17:47 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com>: > Guys - it's been a while since I've used Pharo, and in 3.0 its come along > with leaps and bounds. > > But I'm struggling to know what many things mean, and what the UI is > telling > me? Is it written up somewhere? > > I also quite quickly seemed to get into troubles with the new Nautilus > browser where it gives me walkbacks and won't let me select things. I've > started again with a new image and am trying again to do some simple things > - and see if I can come up with the use cases. > > As a starting point - I've just created a new class, with a new Category > name and the class has a red exclamation mark next to it. What does that > mean? > > Also what is the difference between Add Class, and Add full Class in the > context menu? I ended up just typing over the definition of an existing > class as there is no flyover help for either of these to know what it does? > > Tim > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Red-Exclamation-in-Nautilus-tp4767242.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

July 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Tim Mackinnon

Thanks Marcus - you know I did read the deepintopharo first chapter - but I didn't notice the subtle invocation mentioned under "How to ï¬nd our way" (I think it was a bit wordy for me). Thinking about this - I think it might be clearer if the heading for 2.3 was "Running An Image with Command line options" And the first paragraph was subtly changed to: We now have a new and easier way to launch an image from the command line and process command line arguments. If you have followed the steps above you can use: ./pharo <image> [--<options>] OR ./pharo-ui <image> [--<options] Where typically <image> is Pharo.image and <options> can be omitted, or if you want to see some basic documentation use --help e.g. ./pharo Pharo.image --help -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797p4767245.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 9, 2014