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Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> OK I eventually found a working Protocol browser in a beta image (and I can see how it broke in later images). > > I can see the idea - and I guess it relies on everyone categorising things properly (I now understand why you get that prompt to categorise your methods properly when you save :) > > My initial impression is that it could be easily improved - for example you get no idea how many methods are in a category without clicking on it (some are empty, some have 10 methods etc). > > This said, I still would go back to my initial comment - why is there a method finder in the Tools menu, but no Class finder? (In our new smalltalkers tutorial at CSLondon - people actually used the method finder to try and figure out how to do things like String beginsWith: etc. - but how do you find classes? Its got to be related to class name and class comments (and maybe the protocols they support). Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough? or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B > But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? I do not know what you imply exactly. Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them. I would really like to get better tools. > Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? - We need a better Test Runner Monticello Browser (Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet) Deeper Refactoring integration If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at integrating my my package implementation The problem of Glamour is that this is yet another framework and debug it is not that easy. In general I do not like DSL like mondrian because I have to understand their logic instead of just using my oo skill. Stef > Anyway - I appreciate the patience, and I will keep plugging away. > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > the problem is that we should get less but more powerful tools than more stupid one. > > What I need is O2 way of looking at package and I'm stuck because I could not find time integrating > RPackage into systemNotification.... OK I eventually found a working Protocol browser in a beta image (and I can see how it broke in later images). I can see the idea - and I guess it relies on everyone categorising things properly (I now understand why you get that prompt to categorise your methods properly when you save :) My initial impression is that it could be easily improved - for example you get no idea how many methods are in a category without clicking on it (some are empty, some have 10 methods etc). This said, I still would go back to my initial comment - why is there a method finder in the Tools menu, but no Class finder? (In our new smalltalkers tutorial at CSLondon - people actually used the method finder to try and figure out how to do things like String beginsWith: etc. - but how do you find classes? Its got to be related to class name and class comments (and maybe the protocols they support). But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? Anyway - I appreciate the patience, and I will keep plugging away. Tim

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

the problem is that we should get less but more powerful tools than more stupid one. What I need is O2 way of looking at package and I'm stuck because I could not find time integrating RPackage into systemNotification.... Stef On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > It wasn't that long ago. I guess an early Pharo 1.0 image should include it. > > It could be started through 'browse protocol' from the context menu on a class. > > Lukas > > On 17 August 2010 23:50, TimM <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only >>> used it very sparingly. >>> >> >> Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm >> slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old >> stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak >> 3.8 image? >> >> I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings >> tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... >> >> Tim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by Lukas Renggli

It wasn't that long ago. I guess an early Pharo 1.0 image should include it. It could be started through 'browse protocol' from the context menu on a class. Lukas On 17 August 2010 23:50, TimM <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only >> used it very sparingly. >> > > Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm > slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old > stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak > 3.8 image? > > I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings > tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only > used it very sparingly. > Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak 3.8 image? I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... Tim

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] TIFF support.

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:09 PM, George Herolyants wrote: > Hi everybody. > > Though squeak.org says there is a TIFF files support in Squeak I can't > find any signs of it. > So, could someone point me to the actual TIFF files reading/writing > library for Squeak/Pharo? > http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/html/TIFFsource.html ? -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Aug. 17, 2010

TIFF support.

by George Herolyants

Hi everybody. Though squeak.org says there is a TIFF files support in Squeak I can't find any signs of it. So, could someone point me to the actual TIFF files reading/writing library for Squeak/Pharo? Thanks.

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by Lukas Renggli

On Tuesday, August 17, 2010, TimM <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys - sometimes I want to lookup a class (ideally its hierarchy*) directly. Is there a convenient way to do this quickly? > > Here's my scenario: > > - I am using a System browser, and looking at my Package? of classes (not sure what its called - but my grouping of classes). > > - It occurs to me in the middle of entering a new method that I may need to use class XXXX (e.g. CTPusher) - but as I'm not familiar without I want to browse its methods > > - So I want to quickly browse that class and explore its methods - but I haven't figure out how to do that quickly and easily? > > It seems I have the following options: > > 1) Type the name of the class in the mercury panel - if I don't type it fully then it does open a new window for me (not bad - but I sometimes type the full name). If I type the full name, or autocomplate it advances me in my current browser - forcing me to save my changes (which often aren't good enough to save yet), and I also lose my place in my method (and there is no back/history to get back there quickly) > > 2) Open a new system browser, then type the name of the class in the mercury panel - and it then takes me there (this isn't a bad option - but it feels a bit less immediate somehow. > > 3) Type something in my current source - and then use Cmd-B (not bad - but when I come back I may have to backspace over the name if I found something else > > 4) Use some other tool (was it Algernon that did something like I want?) > > I guess I'm wondering why in the Tools menu of the OS - there is a Method Finder option, but not a Class Finder option? Do you guys have any tricks for me. > > Tim > > *the reason I like to browse the hierarchy, is often there are inherited methods that i can't easily see in Pharo. I wish there was a "show inherited methods" option that shows all methods with icon to show you inherited them (and you could double click it to go to the superclass that implements it). I think for you experts you don't notice this so much, but when you are trying to find your way - it really feels like a lot of work to find things. There use to be a protocol browser in OB that did exactly that, but I removed it at some point because it had no tests and nobody cared to fix and write tests for it. It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only used it very sparingly. Lukas > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

Hi guys - sometimes I want to lookup a class (ideally its hierarchy*) directly. Is there a convenient way to do this quickly? Here's my scenario: - I am using a System browser, and looking at my Package? of classes (not sure what its called - but my grouping of classes). - It occurs to me in the middle of entering a new method that I may need to use class XXXX (e.g. CTPusher) - but as I'm not familiar without I want to browse its methods - So I want to quickly browse that class and explore its methods - but I haven't figure out how to do that quickly and easily? It seems I have the following options: 1) Type the name of the class in the mercury panel - if I don't type it fully then it does open a new window for me (not bad - but I sometimes type the full name). If I type the full name, or autocomplate it advances me in my current browser - forcing me to save my changes (which often aren't good enough to save yet), and I also lose my place in my method (and there is no back/history to get back there quickly) 2) Open a new system browser, then type the name of the class in the mercury panel - and it then takes me there (this isn't a bad option - but it feels a bit less immediate somehow. 3) Type something in my current source - and then use Cmd-B (not bad - but when I come back I may have to backspace over the name if I found something else 4) Use some other tool (was it Algernon that did something like I want?) I guess I'm wondering why in the Tools menu of the OS - there is a Method Finder option, but not a Class Finder option? Do you guys have any tricks for me. Tim *the reason I like to browse the hierarchy, is often there are inherited methods that i can't easily see in Pharo. I wish there was a "show inherited methods" option that shows all methods with icon to show you inherited them (and you could double click it to go to the superclass that implements it). I think for you experts you don't notice this so much, but when you are trying to find your way - it really feels like a lot of work to find things.

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Pharocasts: Display Picasa photos

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I think that a chapter on fun scripting the web with pharo would be better than an help. Stef On Aug 16, 2010, at 3:14 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > HelpSystem may be more appropriate ? > > Laurent > > 2010/8/16 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Hi. I wouldn't like to loose all this cool pieces of code. Even if they are not complete, they work as examples. It would be good to create a ss project like ExternalWebApplicationsCommunication or something like that where you post all this code, Gary's one, and I remember others from your posts or other emails.... > > > > 2010/8/16 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > Cool, it's on Pharocasts ! > > Laurent > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Indeed, nice... > > Here's an adaptation for Flickr... > > | xmlStream xmlDoc photos builder clickBlock | > xmlStream := 'http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?id=12018791@N06&lang…' asUrl retrieveContents contentStream. > xmlDoc := XMLDOMParser parseDocumentFrom: xmlStream. > > photos := OrderedCollection new. > xmlDoc tagsNamed: #item do: > [:item| | title thumbUrl photoUrl | > title := (item firstTagNamed: #title) characterData. > thumbUrl := ((item firstTagNamed: #media:thumbnail) attributeAt: #url) asUrl. > photoUrl := ((item firstTagNamed: #media:content) attributeAt: #url) asUrl. > photos add: title -> (Form fromBinaryStream: thumbUrl retrieveContents contentStream) -> photoUrl]. > > clickBlock := [:url :title | | scrollPane | > scrollPane := GeneralScrollPane new > scrollTarget: (builder > newImage: (Form fromBinaryStream: url retrieveContents contentStream)). > scrollPane openInWindow > setLabel: title; > extent: 600@400. > scrollPane color: Color transparent]. > > builder := UITheme builder. > ((builder > newRow: (photos collect: > [:aPhoto| > (builder > newButtonFor: clickBlock > getState: nil > action: #value:value: > arguments: {aPhoto value. aPhoto key key} > getEnabled: nil > label: ((builder newColumn: { > builder newImage: aPhoto key value. > builder newLabel: aPhoto key key}) > cellPositioning: #center; > layoutInset: 10) > help: nil)])) > wrapDirection: #topToBottom; > openInWindow) > setLabel: (xmlDoc firstTagNamed: #title) characterData; > extent: 700@680. > > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "GermÃ¡n Arduino" <garduino(a)gmail.com> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Cc: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharocasts: Display Picasa photos > > > > Excellent! > > 2010/8/15 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > Learn: > - how to get data from an URL > - parse XML documents > - build a GUI to display photos with Polymorph > - how to prototype quickly with debugger and inspector > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/08/see-how-to-get-data-from-url-parse-x… > Cheers, > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 16, 2010