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Re: [Pharo-users] graphical/gtk like Smalltalk apps

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/1/31 SÃ©bastien Serre <sserre.bx(a)gmail.com> > Hi all, > > I just discover Pharo, and i'm very exited by things i have seen. welcome! We hope you enjoy as much as we do :) > I > have a question (google don't help me). Is it possible to create an > portable executable that run a simple graphical application (gtk > like), I suspect this is higly probable, but I don't find any > Sorry but personally I do not completely agree with you. Just from my point of view, Gtg is not HIGLY portable. Ok, in Linux maybe easier, but whenever you move to Windows, or Mac you may need to compile, etc...Even if that works, that's not being HIGLY portable. I want to tell you this because of what tell you next: The default "UI" of Pharo is Morphic. Morphic is completely implemented in Smalltalk. You don't need anymore than just Pharo running. That's why you can easily run Pharo applications (even with UI) in ANY OS, in robots, iPhone, or whereever you want. You just need Pharo running there. And that's even simpler than other languages and even different than other Smalltalk dialects, because the Pharo virtual machine is written in itself. I mean, the VM is ALSO written in Smalltalk. Actually, it is subset of Smalltalk (with certain limitations), called Slang. Then, there is a translator that converts from that, to C. And then you just compile. For more details, you can see the VMMaker package. So...that's being portable :) But.....there are always trade-offs. Morphic is slower than using direct graphic libraries, maybe it looks ugly for you, etc. There are some tools build on top of Morphic that ca help you buld UI applications. This include a set of gadgets, buttons, panels, etc. It is called Polymorph. For example, evaluate this for some examples: UITheme exampleBasicControls. UITheme exampleColorControls. UITheme exampleDialogs. UITheme exampleGroups. UITheme exampleOtherControls. UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars. In addition, there is a UIBuilder in progress. You can see a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbc1t83fEI Finally, if you think Morhpic is ugly, you can just create your own theme. For example, right click on the world -> "System" -> "Preferences" -> In the form type "theme" and press enter -> look where it says "UI Theme". Try each of them and you will see the difference. You can create your own and customize them. And finally, yes, there is a binding to gtk :) but I wanted to let it to the end hahahaha. Actually, the binding was being developed with Squeak and the project is called SqueakGtk. Unfortunately I think the project stopped and it is not continue anymore, but maybe I am wrong. Here is the link: http://squeakgtk.pbworks.com/ There are similar projects. Finally, Esteban Lorenzano is building Mars, an attemp to create a new World that uses the Cocoa (Mac OS library) to render everything. It is in development but I heard that Cocoa is being ported to Windows a Linux so it may be cool. Link: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/productos/Mars Good luck. Mariano documentation on the subject. Can you point me to some links/books on > the topic? > > Kind regards > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Jan. 31, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] graphical/gtk like Smalltalk apps

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Hi all, > > I just discover Pharo, and i'm very exited by things i have seen. I > have a question (google don't help me). Is it possible to create an > portable executable that run a simple graphical application (gtk > like), I suspect this is higly probable, but I don't find any > documentation on the subject. Hi sebastien Welcome! in Pharo what you do is that you can bundle a reduced image (memory dump) with a set of vm. This is what the oneclick is doing. our goal for the short term is to have a minimal system in which you can load the packages you want. Now about the ui. For now you can only have one main window. There were some attempts to provide support for cross platform ui like WVXwidgets but I do not know the status. At the beginning of Pharo Gwenael Casaccio worked on a binding for GTK for Squeak. People did not react enough so he ported it to GNU Smalltalk. Now if we find the code I imagine that this can be resurrected. For us this is a question of manpower not vision. Stef

Jan. 31, 2010

graphical/gtk like Smalltalk apps

by SÃ©bastien Serre

Hi all, I just discover Pharo, and i'm very exited by things i have seen. I have a question (google don't help me). Is it possible to create an portable executable that run a simple graphical application (gtk like), I suspect this is higly probable, but I don't find any documentation on the subject. Can you point me to some links/books on the topic? Kind regards

Jan. 31, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Seaside] [ANN] seasidehosting.st for Pharo

by stephane ducasse

Thanks a lot :) ! On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm happy to announce that seasidehosting.st now supports Pharo! > > There are no special settings or configurations needed. Get a Pharo/Seaside image, for instance from www.seaside.st/download/pharo, install your application, and upload it to seasidehosting.st. > > Before, Pharo was not supported because the special VM used did not run closure images. Since many people asked for support of Pharo, we updated the VM now. It took some time, but as promised, we managed to finish it before the upcoming Pharo 1.0 release. > > I'd like to thank ESUG and netstyle.ch for their continuous support of Seasidehosting! > > Cheers, > Adrian > > ___________________ > http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >

Jan. 29, 2010

[ANN] seasidehosting.st for Pharo

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi all, I'm happy to announce that seasidehosting.st now supports Pharo! There are no special settings or configurations needed. Get a Pharo/Seaside image, for instance from www.seaside.st/download/pharo, install your application, and upload it to seasidehosting.st. Before, Pharo was not supported because the special VM used did not run closure images. Since many people asked for support of Pharo, we updated the VM now. It took some time, but as promised, we managed to finish it before the upcoming Pharo 1.0 release. I'd like to thank ESUG and netstyle.ch for their continuous support of Seasidehosting! Cheers, Adrian ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] MNU when using TextEntryDialogWindow

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Look at UIManager (facade to make your code portable accros UI stuff) you have a lot of predefined behavior. On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > > Cool, thanks! > > On 26 Jan 2010, at 16:12, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> you should use UIManager: >> >> UIManager default request: 'Enter your text' >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Jan. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] MNU when using TextEntryDialogWindow

by Johan Fabry

Cool, thanks! On 26 Jan 2010, at 16:12, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > you should use UIManager: > > UIManager default request: 'Enter your text' > > Cheers, > Alexandre -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] MNU when using TextEntryDialogWindow

by Alexandre Bergel

you should use UIManager: UIManager default request: 'Enter your text' Cheers, Alexandre On 26 Jan 2010, at 15:59, Johan Fabry wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to use a TextEntryDialogWindow, so I tried to get it working, > but get a MNU #descent (in pharo 10505) on the following line. > > (TextEntryDialogWindow new text: 'Enter some text please') open > > I suppose I am doing it wrong, how do I do it right? > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Jan. 26, 2010

MNU when using TextEntryDialogWindow

by Johan Fabry

Hi all, I want to use a TextEntryDialogWindow, so I tried to get it working, but get a MNU #descent (in pharo 10505) on the following line. (TextEntryDialogWindow new text: 'Enter some text please') open I suppose I am doing it wrong, how do I do it right? -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Fwd: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Thanks for the complete description. > You are welcome. > > I wont be able to test it because I will be offline for some time starting > Real Soon Now, so just one superficial comment: > > Don't worry. > I like the pharo picture, but on my 1600x1050 screen it repeats, it should > be bigger in the y direction (like 2000 or something, so it fits on Stef's > 30 inch display ;-) ) > > Yes, thanks. I was already discussed in the other mailing list. I guess I will have to remove it if nobody has a solution for that. It was so nice :( > On 26 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > Thanks John...I forgot about this list...too new :) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:32 PM > Subject: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2 > To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > > Hi folks. This is 1.0 RC2. Please, look at this image in a nice way > because it is very likely that if there is no big issue, it will be 1.0 > official. We need to release 1.0. > * > Issues fixed*: In addition to the fixes from the PharoCore, we have: > 1033, 1182, 1826, 1862. > > *Big changes*: > > - Now we use OB from Lukas Renggli repository and we have ALL TESTS > GREEN!!! Thanks Lukas! > - O2 loads again in the image without breaking OB. Read the workspace to > see how to install it. Thanks David and Alexandre! > - We have almost (only one failing here) ALL TESTS of the PharoDev image in > green. They are more than 8800. > > *Smaller changes: > * > - Fixed the problem with Metacello and OCompletion. No more overrides. > - System -> About now shows the real Pharo name, not the core. I am also > being "compatible" with the new SystemVersion that we have in 1.1 :) > Thanks Michael and Miguel! > - I didn't left again my proxy settings. I fixed this in my build scripts. > It should be clean :) > - Mercury bar is back again. If you want to disable: Preferences disable: > #mercuryPanel. > - Added a lot of cleanups after creating the image, including condensing > .changes > - Added Refactoring-Spelling again. Thanks Stan! > - I wrote a ConfigurationOfNile instead of Nile-All and depends on > Monticello dependencies. > - New welcome workspaces. Also getting started workspace and another > workspace explaining how to load external packages like Seaside (2.8 and 3), > Magritte, Pier, Moose, GetTools, O2, etc. Finally it is also added a link to > the new ProfStef :) > Do you think that with this we are able to close issue1479 ? > - Background with Pharo picture. This was a joke. It looked nice :) I > promise I don't put it again if you don't like. To remove it evaluate: > World color: Color white. > - Enable the preference fastDragWindowForMorphic. Sorry, but it most > computers this works REALLY slow. If you want them back, just disable it. > - When installing Seaside now doesn't ask for user and password ( > admin/seaside ). In addition, the Seaside Control Panel is only isntalled if > OB is installed. This means that yu can install it in core or dev. Thanks > Dale! > - Disable of System Update for Dev images as it is not working properly. > > > The link is: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2… > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry<http://dcc.uchile.cl/%7Ejfabry> > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > >

Jan. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Fwd: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Johan Fabry

Thanks for the complete description. I wont be able to test it because I will be offline for some time starting Real Soon Now, so just one superficial comment: I like the pharo picture, but on my 1600x1050 screen it repeats, it should be bigger in the y direction (like 2000 or something, so it fits on Stef's 30 inch display ;-) ) On 26 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Thanks John...I forgot about this list...too new :) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:32 PM > Subject: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2 > To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > > Hi folks. This is 1.0 RC2. Please, look at this image in a nice way > because it is very likely that if there is no big issue, it will be > 1.0 official. We need to release 1.0. > > Issues fixed: In addition to the fixes from the PharoCore, we have: > 1033, 1182, 1826, 1862. > > Big changes: > > - Now we use OB from Lukas Renggli repository and we have ALL TESTS > GREEN!!! Thanks Lukas! > - O2 loads again in the image without breaking OB. Read the > workspace to see how to install it. Thanks David and Alexandre! > - We have almost (only one failing here) ALL TESTS of the PharoDev > image in green. They are more than 8800. > > Smaller changes: > > - Fixed the problem with Metacello and OCompletion. No more overrides. > - System -> About now shows the real Pharo name, not the core. I am > also being "compatible" with the new SystemVersion that we have in > 1.1 :) Thanks Michael and Miguel! > - I didn't left again my proxy settings. I fixed this in my build > scripts. It should be clean :) > - Mercury bar is back again. If you want to disable: Preferences > disable: #mercuryPanel. > - Added a lot of cleanups after creating the image, including > condensing .changes > - Added Refactoring-Spelling again. Thanks Stan! > - I wrote a ConfigurationOfNile instead of Nile-All and depends on > Monticello dependencies. > - New welcome workspaces. Also getting started workspace and another > workspace explaining how to load external packages like Seaside (2.8 > and 3), Magritte, Pier, Moose, GetTools, O2, etc. Finally it is also > added a link to the new ProfStef :) > Do you think that with this we are able to close issue1479 ? > - Background with Pharo picture. This was a joke. It looked > nice :) I promise I don't put it again if you don't like. To > remove it evaluate: > World color: Color white. > - Enable the preference fastDragWindowForMorphic. Sorry, but it most > computers this works REALLY slow. If you want them back, just > disable it. > - When installing Seaside now doesn't ask for user and password > ( admin/seaside ). In addition, the Seaside Control Panel is only > isntalled if OB is installed. This means that yu can install it in > core or dev. Thanks Dale! > - Disable of System Update for Dev images as it is not working > properly. > > > The link is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2… > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 26, 2010

Fwd: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Thanks John...I forgot about this list...too new :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:32 PM Subject: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo1.0-10507-rc2dev10.01.2 To: Pharo Development <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Hi folks. This is 1.0 RC2. Please, look at this image in a nice way because it is very likely that if there is no big issue, it will be 1.0 official. We need to release 1.0. * Issues fixed*: In addition to the fixes from the PharoCore, we have: 1033, 1182, 1826, 1862. *Big changes*: - Now we use OB from Lukas Renggli repository and we have ALL TESTS GREEN!!! Thanks Lukas! - O2 loads again in the image without breaking OB. Read the workspace to see how to install it. Thanks David and Alexandre! - We have almost (only one failing here) ALL TESTS of the PharoDev image in green. They are more than 8800. *Smaller changes: * - Fixed the problem with Metacello and OCompletion. No more overrides. - System -> About now shows the real Pharo name, not the core. I am also being "compatible" with the new SystemVersion that we have in 1.1 :) Thanks Michael and Miguel! - I didn't left again my proxy settings. I fixed this in my build scripts. It should be clean :) - Mercury bar is back again. If you want to disable: Preferences disable: #mercuryPanel. - Added a lot of cleanups after creating the image, including condensing .changes - Added Refactoring-Spelling again. Thanks Stan! - I wrote a ConfigurationOfNile instead of Nile-All and depends on Monticello dependencies. - New welcome workspaces. Also getting started workspace and another workspace explaining how to load external packages like Seaside (2.8 and 3), Magritte, Pier, Moose, GetTools, O2, etc. Finally it is also added a link to the new ProfStef :) Do you think that with this we are able to close issue1479 ? - Background with Pharo picture. This was a joke. It looked nice :) I promise I don't put it again if you don't like. To remove it evaluate: World color: Color white. - Enable the preference fastDragWindowForMorphic. Sorry, but it most computers this works REALLY slow. If you want them back, just disable it. - When installing Seaside now doesn't ask for user and password ( admin/seaside ). In addition, the Seaside Control Panel is only isntalled if OB is installed. This means that yu can install it in core or dev. Thanks Dale! - Disable of System Update for Dev images as it is not working properly. The link is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25397/Pharo1.0-10508-rc2dev10.01.2… Cheers Mariano

Jan. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI: new release candidate image out

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Oh yes! sorry Stef On Jan 26, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > Hi all, > > I have discovered today that there is a new RC2 image out since last > friday. (10.01.2.zip or 10508 depending on which numbers make more > sense to you) > > Stef/Markus/Adrian: It would be a good idea to announce releases in > the news and/or this mailing list in the future ... > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Jan. 26, 2010

FYI: new release candidate image out

by Johan Fabry

Hi all, I have discovered today that there is a new RC2 image out since last friday. (10.01.2.zip or 10508 depending on which numbers make more sense to you) Stef/Markus/Adrian: It would be a good idea to announce releases in the news and/or this mailing list in the future ... -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 26, 2010