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Re: [Pharo-users] VPS difficulties

by Sean P. DeNigris

horrido wrote > it threw up a bunch of errors. Can you be more specific and did you try Mariano's suggestion about 32-bit libs? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 22, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] VPS difficulties

by horrido

Using zeroconf, I installed 32-bit Pharo under 64-bit Debian. Pharo refused to run â it threw up a bunch of errors. Mariano Martinez Peck wrote > Run Pharo 32 bits and install 32 bit libs... > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 21:07 Richard Kenneth Eng < > horrido.hobbies@ > wrote: > > > I'm creating the competition website using Pharo and Teapot. For >> encryption, I'm using Pierce Ng's PasswordCrypt, which requires a 32-bit >> C >> library. This means I must run 32-bit Pharo. >> >> And this means I must run 32-bit Pharo under 32-bit Linux. Therein lies >> the rub... >> >> I would like to host the website at DigitalOcean or Linode or OVH. As far >> as I can tell, however, these services do not support 32-bit Linux, only >> 64-bit. >> >> What can I do? >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 22, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] VPS difficulties

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Run Pharo 32 bits and install 32 bit libs... On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 21:07 Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com wrote: > I'm creating the competition website using Pharo and Teapot. For > encryption, I'm using Pierce Ng's PasswordCrypt, which requires a 32-bit C > library. This means I must run 32-bit Pharo. > > And this means I must run 32-bit Pharo under 32-bit Linux. Therein lies > the rub... > > I would like to host the website at DigitalOcean or Linode or OVH. As far > as I can tell, however, these services do not support 32-bit Linux, only > 64-bit. > > What can I do? >

Nov. 22, 2018

VPS difficulties

by Richard Kenneth Eng

I'm creating the competition website using Pharo and Teapot. For encryption, I'm using Pierce Ng's PasswordCrypt, which requires a 32-bit C library. This means I must run 32-bit Pharo. And this means I must run 32-bit Pharo under 32-bit Linux. Therein lies the rub... I would like to host the website at DigitalOcean or Linode or OVH. As far as I can tell, however, these services do not support 32-bit Linux, only 64-bit. What can I do?

Nov. 22, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by horrido

Thank you for your well-considered responses. I appreciate them. As I said in the original post, I am open to an alternative approach to the competition. The current approach may be problematic, I don't know. I still want a five-round four-person team event. I want to stretch this out for maximum effect. I want to structure it like a sporting event in order to raise excitement. There are several key points: 1) It has to sufficiently challenging to the contestants so that they really learn to use Pharo effectively. This should also help to mitigate cheating. After all, where are they going to find a sharp Smalltalker to aid in deception? ;-) 2) It has to be easy to "judge" each round. This should be automatable. After all, if there are 500 teams, we don't want to spend countless hours judging the team submissions manually. It would be daunting. At this point, I welcome any new ideas for the competition. Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote > OK, sorry. I missed that. > > Now I've read it. And it requires a customized VM that can count bytecodes > executed against a budget and terminate execution if the budget is > exceeded. > > For the developer it requires an awareness of the relationship between > bytecodes and source code. I, personally, have virtually no idea what > that relationship is. I used Smalltalk as a high level language and try > not to worry about how expensive things are until it actually matters. I > think that is most developers. > > So I'm not really a fan of this contest approach. The implementation is > certainly beyond my skills. I have been dabbling with Squeak since its > release and only recently trying to get into Pharo "in anger" because I > have a couple projects I personally want to realize. I'm finding the > entire thing to be really fast moving and hard to get my head around and > the VM is pretty much still impenetrable to me after a couple months > trying to build one. > > So I'm definitely not your guy and the number of people who are on top of > the VM enough to pull this off is likely on the order of ten. > > Maybe a different kind of coding contest? I'd try adapting problems from > some existing competition questions. > >> On Nov 20, 2018, at 6:32 PM, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> Basically, implementing what was outlined in David Buck's document >> (attached >> to the original post). It may involve hacking the VM to count byte codes. >> >> SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx >> <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx >> <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx>> >> >> >> Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote >>> OK, I'll bite. >>> >>> What does "code the competition" mean exactly? >>> >>> I last used Smalltalk "in anger" pre-pharo with squeak. I live ST and >>> am >>> looking for a way back "in" but >>> TBH the changes from Squeak are vast and I have too many ideas to work >>> on >>> and keep hitting walls. >>> >>> I'm intrigued but need more direction. Whatcha need - ELI5. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:13 PM, horrido < >> >>> horrido.hobbies@ >> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> No, the money isn't lost. I was merely suggesting that without some >>>> help, >>>> the >>>> marketing opportunity for this competition would be lost. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure you understand how much work is involved in this project. >>>> I >>>> will be doing a great deal of the heavy lifting. I have to setup the >>>> competition website server. I have to advertise or reach out to high >>>> schools >>>> across the country. I have to get local media interested in covering >>>> the >>>> competition. I have to look into producing the T-shirt swag, and >>>> shipping >>>> the T-shirts to all contest participants, and at an affordable rate to >>>> fit >>>> the budget. Those are only a few things off the top of my head. >>>> >>>> Coding the actual contest problems according to David Buck's >>>> prescription >>>> shouldn't be open-ended and shouldn't be a huge commitment. I imagine >>>> it >>>> would be a couple of months of work during spare time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> jgfoster wrote >>>>> Hi Richard, >>>>> >>>>> So the $$$$ that we gave you is now âlost"? Perhaps people didnât >>>>> understand what you expected from us other than money. What else is >>>>> needed >>>>> to make your project a success? We are supposed to âcode the >>>>> competitionâ >>>>> as well? Anything else? >>>>> >>>>> Is this practice of insulting people (âDoesnât anyone care about >>>>> promoting >>>>> Pharo?â) supposed to be motivating? Is it a demonstration of you >>>>> expertise >>>>> at marketing? Does it build confidence about how the Smalltalk >>>>> community >>>>> will be perceived by the new arrivals? >>>>> >>>>> Iâve appreciated your blog posts and your passion, but Iâm put off by >>>>> this >>>>> approach. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> P.S. I realize that Iâm probably doing what Iâm criticizing in >>>>> youâthrowing out negative comments from behind a keyboard to score >>>>> points >>>>> when I might not be so harsh in person. >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>>> >>>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not even a single nibble? Doesn't anyone care about promoting Pharo? >>>>>> >>>>>> What a colossal lost opportunity! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 09:29, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>>> >>>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >>>>> <mailto: >>>> >>>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>> Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at Smalltalks >>>>>> 2018, >>>>>> the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk programming >>>>>> competition. See My Keynote at the Salta Conference >>>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt >>>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt> >>>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt&gt >>>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&amp;gt&gt>;;. >>>>>> >>>>>> Three years ago, David Buck provided an outline for the competition. >>>>>> See >>>>>> attached. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to use that as a starting point, though I am open to >>>>>> alternative suggestions. >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason for this post is the following... >>>>>> >>>>>> I need volunteers to code the competition. I am nowhere near >>>>>> qualified >>>>>> to >>>>>> do so, as my knowledge of Pharo is limited. >>>>>> >>>>>> Without help from Pharoers (or, at least, Smalltalkers), the >>>>>> competition >>>>>> is in jeopardy. This is a great opportunity to promote Pharo. (The >>>>>> original competition three years ago was going to use VisualWorks, >>>>>> but >>>>>> since Cincom did not see fit to support my competition this year, I >>>>>> decided to go with Pharo.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Please contact me if anyone is interested. It would be a terrible >>>>>> shame >>>>>> to waste this opportunity. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Richard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >>>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html&gt >>>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html&gt>; >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 21, 2018

ESUG 2018 Videos

by Jimmie Houchin

Any idea when they will be available. No pressure. Just interested and curious. Thanks. Jimmie

Nov. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] problem when running without changes file (on windows)

by Vincent.Blondeau＠lamresearch.com

You are welcomed! Here: https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-7.0/ws/Pharo7.0-32bit-facd684.sources But that is not the way it should be, I changed the Jenkins config to include the missing file. Try to download it again it is in the last build. Vincent From: Baveco, Hans <hans.baveco(a)wur.nl> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 1:26 To: Blondeau, Vincent <Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com>; pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: RE: [Pharo-users] problem when running without changes file (on windows) Thanks for the link! I could download the moose-7.0 image and changes files. However, to run it a specific version of the sources files (Pharo7.0-32bit-facd684.sources) seems to be required. Where could that be found? Hans From: Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com <mailto:Vincent.Blondeau@lamresearch.com> <Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com <mailto:Vincent.Blondeau@lamresearch.com> > Sent: woensdag 21 november 2018 3:35 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] problem when running without changes file (on windows) Have you seen https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-7.0/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_moose_job_…> ? Roassal is loaded on it. Vincent From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> > On Behalf Of Baveco, Hans Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 5:56 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] problem when running without changes file (on windows) Ok, thanks for this crucial information! Would backporting be as simple as filing out the class and the single method from Pharo7 and filing in in Pharo6.1 ? (probably not) I could also move y application to Pharo 7, but sofar I havenât been able to load Roassal2 in Pharo 7 (32bit). Any information on how to achieve this (on windows)? No Moose 7.0 image with Roassal preloaded available either, AFAIK... Hans From: Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> > Sent: dinsdag 13 november 2018 16:46 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] problem when running without changes file (on windows) Still, in Pharo6 the absense of changes and sources files means also that FFI calls cannot be done. UFFI uses the method source code to map arguments, and if no source code is available, FFI calls cannot be resolved. This is solved in Pharo7 thanks to Vincent Blondeau by embedding argument names into the method (and thus not requiring source code anymore). If you need it, you can take the FFICompilerPlugin class + (RBMethodNode>>ensureCachedArgumentNames) from Pharo7 and try to backport them on your Pharo6 installation. On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:29 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu> > wrote: Hi Hans, Did you see (read the class comment) of NoPharoFilesOpener and NoChangesLog ? Sven > On 13 Nov 2018, at 16:19, Baveco, Hans <hans.baveco(a)wur.nl <mailto:hans.baveco@wur.nl> > wrote: > > I have a pharo 6.1 image (based on the Moose 6.1 image) containing a small application. I would like to distribute this without the source code. When I run the application with the changes file present all is fine. When running with the changes file removed, it mostly works ok but apparently the functionality for e.g. creating png (linked to Cairo?) is not available. The log file is attached. > > Now looking a bit further into this I observed that in fact all the 6.1 images I work with seem to have this same problem, e.g. when displaying Roassal graphs they display the red windows with crosses. > > Is this option to run without a changes files supposed to work in 6.1 (on windows)? What should I do to make it work? (noticed that there is no setting anymore for this) > > Hans > <PharoDebug.log> -- <https://www.cristal.univ-lille.fr/videos/presentation.jpg> <https://intranet.cnrs.fr/Cnrs_pratique/communiquer/guides/PublishingImages/…> Guille Polito Research Engineer Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille CRIStAL - UMR 9189 French National Center for Scientific Research - http://www.cnrs.fr <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cnrs.fr&d=DwMGaQ&c=…> Web: http://guillep.github.io <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__guillep.github.io&d=DwM…> Phone: +33 06 52 70 66 13

Nov. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Line Number...

by Arturo Zambrano

Thanks!, I was not aware of that. On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 2:21 AM Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > You probably need: > > String>>#lineNumberCorrespondingToIndex: > > ----------------- > BenoÃ®t St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 9:17:34 p.m. EST, Arturo Zambrano < > arturo.zambrano(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > given a text file and an offset, is there any class//message to obtain the > line number of that offset? > I just don't want to reinvent the wheel :) > > TIA > arturo >

Nov. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by Todd Blanchard

OK, sorry. I missed that. Now I've read it. And it requires a customized VM that can count bytecodes executed against a budget and terminate execution if the budget is exceeded. For the developer it requires an awareness of the relationship between bytecodes and source code. I, personally, have virtually no idea what that relationship is. I used Smalltalk as a high level language and try not to worry about how expensive things are until it actually matters. I think that is most developers. So I'm not really a fan of this contest approach. The implementation is certainly beyond my skills. I have been dabbling with Squeak since its release and only recently trying to get into Pharo "in anger" because I have a couple projects I personally want to realize. I'm finding the entire thing to be really fast moving and hard to get my head around and the VM is pretty much still impenetrable to me after a couple months trying to build one. So I'm definitely not your guy and the number of people who are on top of the VM enough to pull this off is likely on the order of ten. Maybe a different kind of coding contest? I'd try adapting problems from some existing competition questions. > On Nov 20, 2018, at 6:32 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Basically, implementing what was outlined in David Buck's document (attached > to the original post). It may involve hacking the VM to count byte codes. > > SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx > <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/SmalltalkContestIdeas.docx>> > > > Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote >> OK, I'll bite. >> >> What does "code the competition" mean exactly? >> >> I last used Smalltalk "in anger" pre-pharo with squeak. I live ST and am >> looking for a way back "in" but >> TBH the changes from Squeak are vast and I have too many ideas to work on >> and keep hitting walls. >> >> I'm intrigued but need more direction. Whatcha need - ELI5. >> >> >> >>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:13 PM, horrido < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> No, the money isn't lost. I was merely suggesting that without some help, >>> the >>> marketing opportunity for this competition would be lost. >>> >>> I'm not sure you understand how much work is involved in this project. I >>> will be doing a great deal of the heavy lifting. I have to setup the >>> competition website server. I have to advertise or reach out to high >>> schools >>> across the country. I have to get local media interested in covering the >>> competition. I have to look into producing the T-shirt swag, and shipping >>> the T-shirts to all contest participants, and at an affordable rate to >>> fit >>> the budget. Those are only a few things off the top of my head. >>> >>> Coding the actual contest problems according to David Buck's prescription >>> shouldn't be open-ended and shouldn't be a huge commitment. I imagine it >>> would be a couple of months of work during spare time. >>> >>> >>> >>> jgfoster wrote >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> So the $$$$ that we gave you is now âlost"? Perhaps people didnât >>>> understand what you expected from us other than money. What else is >>>> needed >>>> to make your project a success? We are supposed to âcode the >>>> competitionâ >>>> as well? Anything else? >>>> >>>> Is this practice of insulting people (âDoesnât anyone care about >>>> promoting >>>> Pharo?â) supposed to be motivating? Is it a demonstration of you >>>> expertise >>>> at marketing? Does it build confidence about how the Smalltalk community >>>> will be perceived by the new arrivals? >>>> >>>> Iâve appreciated your blog posts and your passion, but Iâm put off by >>>> this >>>> approach. >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> P.S. I realize that Iâm probably doing what Iâm criticizing in >>>> youâthrowing out negative comments from behind a keyboard to score >>>> points >>>> when I might not be so harsh in person. >>>> >>>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>> >>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not even a single nibble? Doesn't anyone care about promoting Pharo? >>>>> >>>>> What a colossal lost opportunity! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 09:29, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>> >>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>>> <mailto: >>> >>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>>> >> wrote: >>>>> Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at Smalltalks 2018, >>>>> the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk programming >>>>> competition. See My Keynote at the Salta Conference >>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt> >>>>> <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&gt&gt <https://hackernoon.com/my-keynote-at-the-salta-conference-435dfaccc888&…>;;. >>>>> >>>>> Three years ago, David Buck provided an outline for the competition. >>>>> See >>>>> attached. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to use that as a starting point, though I am open to >>>>> alternative suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> The reason for this post is the following... >>>>> >>>>> I need volunteers to code the competition. I am nowhere near qualified >>>>> to >>>>> do so, as my knowledge of Pharo is limited. >>>>> >>>>> Without help from Pharoers (or, at least, Smalltalkers), the >>>>> competition >>>>> is in jeopardy. This is a great opportunity to promote Pharo. (The >>>>> original competition three years ago was going to use VisualWorks, but >>>>> since Cincom did not see fit to support my competition this year, I >>>>> decided to go with Pharo.) >>>>> >>>>> Please contact me if anyone is interested. It would be a terrible shame >>>>> to waste this opportunity. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html&gt <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html&gt>; > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html>

Nov. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by Esteban Maringolo

Richard, Please apologize if my reply was too harsh and without anesthesia. I'm happy a private company/person decided to fund this, I was there and applauded it then and I still celebrate it, I really hope it does good. What I'm skeptical about is about the return of this, and its effectiveness given the initial proposal and shown material, and the current loose definition/contents. I'm not doubting about your dedication and previous marketing activities, actually I believe it was quite efficient, and for the lack of any ROI or equivalent measurement, I _believe_ that this challenge won't add much. OTOH I also believe that if no harm is done, some action is better than no action, and your challenge is certainly better than just watching. In terms of funding you only needed to raise the asked money, and you succeeded. A majority vote was not necessary. So it doesn't matter whether I agree, because I only speak for myself and no one is entitled to speak on behalf of the community. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo El miÃ©., 21 nov. 2018 a las 10:13, horrido (<horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>) escribiÃ³: > > From the very start of my advocacy four years ago, it has always been about > marketing. It has always been about reaching out to as many people as > possible to raise public awareness. I cannot be sure, but I believe I've > reached out to more than 100,000 people around the world who did not > previously know about Smalltalk, or who thought Smalltalk was dead. Whether > or not this is a positive outcome remains to be seen. > > The high school competition is another marketing tool, and probably the most > powerful one at my disposal. From my perspective, it is not a waste of > money. Seeding thousands of young minds across the country with knowledge of > Smalltalk may have profound consequences in the years to come, just as > seeding thousands of college students with experience in Linux helped to > lift Linux into the mainstream during the 1990s and 2000s. Advocacy begins > with our younger generation â that's the only way to ensure the future. > > From what I can tell, the above message resonated with the Smalltalks 2018 > conference. Everybody seemed pumped. This suggests to me that my strategy is > sound. > > It all boils down to this: Either you agree with my marketing strategy, or > you don't. If you don't, then I am not sanguine about Smalltalk's future. > Its community will always remain very small. If that's acceptable, then my > advocacy is no longer needed. > > Allow me to make one final comment: There's seems to be a perception that my > effort over the past four years has been insignificant and without monetary > value. I've worked on this for thousands of man-hours. Even at minimum wage, > it would amount to $60,000+. I have never asked for a dollar, nor even any > recognition. I've done all this for the good of the Smalltalk community. It > has been pure altruism all the way. > > So it is disingenuous to imply that I'm offloading too much on others in the > Smalltalk community. I'm not asking for much, certainly much less than I've > already given these past four years. > > You are correct, the competition plan is still a work-in-progress. That's > why I'm asking for collaboration. If I could do it all alone, I would. > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > > It feels to me that the money came unexpectedly and your plan was just > > a loosely defined idea. > > > > Appealing to money or competition to youngsters in a pop culture is a > > waste of money, > > Go to "pop tech" conferences and see what people value and praise. > > It's never money. > > > > And yes, there are hackatons that pay money to winners, but IMO what > > participants value more is the recognition. > > > > Regards, > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > El mar., 20 nov. 2018 a las 19:37, Richard Kenneth Eng > > (< > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > >) escribiÃ³: > >> > >> Not even a single nibble? Doesn't anyone care about promoting Pharo? > >> > >> What a colossal lost opportunity! > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 09:29, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Some of you may already be aware of my presentation at Smalltalks 2018, > >>> the outcome of which was full funding for my Smalltalk programming > >>> competition. See My Keynote at the Salta Conference. > >>> > >>> Three years ago, David Buck provided an outline for the competition. See > >>> attached. > >>> > >>> I would like to use that as a starting point, though I am open to > >>> alternative suggestions. > >>> > >>> The reason for this post is the following... > >>> > >>> I need volunteers to code the competition. I am nowhere near qualified > >>> to do so, as my knowledge of Pharo is limited. > >>> > >>> Without help from Pharoers (or, at least, Smalltalkers), the competition > >>> is in jeopardy. This is a great opportunity to promote Pharo. (The > >>> original competition three years ago was going to use VisualWorks, but > >>> since Cincom did not see fit to support my competition this year, I > >>> decided to go with Pharo.) > >>> > >>> Please contact me if anyone is interested. It would be a terrible shame > >>> to waste this opportunity. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Richard > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Nov. 21, 2018