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[ANN] Pharo Workshops in Switzerland: April 30 to May 3rd

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Kertyx is organising a Workshop Series, the Digital Healthcare Innovation Workshops Part of this series will be a workshop around Pharo: Interactive and efficient ways to build technology stacks for experienced developers. - Where? Lavigny/Switzerland - When? April 30 to May 3 - Event web site: http://kertyx.events â¢ Workshop 1 â Introduction to Pharo (Marcus Denker) â¢ Workshop 2 â Web development using Seaside (Cyril Ferlicot) â¢ Workshop 3 â New Integrated Development Environment (IDE) â Glamorous Toolkit (Tudor Girba) Registration via eventbrite is available for all 3 workshops independently at http://kertyx.events Marcus

April 2, 2019

Google Protobuf - Small update and parsing a tensorflow GraphDef

by Holger Freyther

A short update on the current state of my implementation. I heard there is interest to use it to parse tensor flow models. 0.) Load the BaselineOfProtobuf from https://github.com/zecke/pharo-protobuf 1.) Generate code Use the Google protoc to generate a descriptor set: $ protoc -o tf.pb --include_imports tensorflow/core/framework/graph.proto And then use this descriptor to generate code: | descriptor nameTable generator | descriptor := GPBFileDescriptorSet materializeFrom: 'tf.pb' asFileReference binaryReadStream. nameTable := GPBTypeNamesVisitor new. nameTable customPrefix: 'TF_'. generator := GPBGeneratingVisitor new typeNames: nameTable; targetPackage: 'Tensorflow-Definitions'. descriptor visit: nameTable. generator visit: descriptor. 2.) Parse a model (e.g. the inception v3 model) TF_GraphDef materializeFrom: 'inception_v3_2016_08_28_frozen.pb' asFileReference binaryReadStream 3.) ??? I guess load it into tensorflow? I am not sure if the endianness for the Float is correct (if not the weights are wrong so please be careful and have a look). There are still plenty of TODOs left. JSON and TextProto parsing needs to be implemented. Working on the official regression suite is needed as well. Strict/Non-strict modes for parsing are needed as well.

April 2, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Richard O'Keefe

I have Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7.0 working in Ubuntu 18.04 with no trouble so far. I just downloaded the launcher from pharo.org and pulled the images down that way. One thing I do find annoying in Ubuntu 18.04 is the number of programs (like okular) that spew warning messages out the terminal. Pharo, sadly, is one of them. Whenever a debugger window comes up in Pharo there is spewage on the terminal. But it works. On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 13:07, john pfersich <jpfersich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is, IMHO, is royal piece of crap. Ubuntu seems to have > abandoned programmers tools almost completely in 18.04. Iâve had more > problems with support of programming tools in 18.04, more than even > Windows. I have run âsudo apt installâ maybe 80 times to install tools and > libraries. Ubuntu 18.04âs hardware support is also lame compared to 16.04. > Personally , Iâm not surprised that Pharo doesnât run on 18.04. I stopped > installing 18.04 on my new machines, after all 16.04 still has a few years > of support going for it, and at least it works without hours of upgrading. > > /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ > Sent from my iPhone > https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png > See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 06:06, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior > > moment. > > > > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at > > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud > > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my > brain > > is dying. > > > > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and > > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the > enterprise > > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going > to > > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this > > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. > > > > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this > list of > > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various > versions of > > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 > LTS > > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various > versions > > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I > > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* > > > > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, > it > > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. > > > > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just > the > > canary in the coal mine. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote > >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying > >> moment where something doesnât work. > >> > >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as > mentioned - > >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. > >> > >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that > v6 > >> and now youâre trying v7? > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < > > > >> jpfersich@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You > couldnât > >>> supply less information if you tried. > >>> > >>> > >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png > >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > >>> > >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > >> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: > >>>> > >>>> Error: External module not found > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > >

April 2, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by john pfersich

You need to install curl in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, it isnât in the distro you download from Ubuntu. /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ Sent from my iPhone https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > On Apr 1, 2019, at 06:47, Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I am surprised you managed to make it work Sven, I tried some time ago but it wont work because of a problem with libcurl as far as I am concerned (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754686 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754294) > > Was libcurl dependency removed from Pharo? > >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Don't be silly, of course it works. Hundreds of people have these, 99% of all servers are Linux, as are 99% of all CI jobs. >> >> Running Linux servers requires a certain level of expertise. >> >> $ cat /etc/issue >> Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS \n \l >> >> $ uname -a >> Linux audio359 4.15.0-39-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 23 15:48:01 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux >> >> $ curl get.pharo.org/64/70+vm | bash >> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current >> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed >> 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 32147 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 32147 >> Downloading the latest 70 Image: >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64.zip >> Pharo.image >> Downloading the latest pharoVM: >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64-linux-stable.zip >> pharo-vm/pharo >> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui >> >> $ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion >> [version] 'Pharo7.0.2' 'Pharo-7.0.2+build.152.sha.890f474a81f116ead0e68c8de77790aef4e9a752 (64 Bit)' >> >> $ ./pharo Pharo.image eval '42 factorial' >> 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 >> >> Many people are about your age, BTW. >> >> > On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:06, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior >> > moment. >> > >> > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at >> > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. >> > >> > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud >> > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. >> > >> > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain >> > is dying. >> > >> > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and >> > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise >> > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to >> > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this >> > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. >> > >> > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of >> > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of >> > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS >> > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions >> > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I >> > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* >> > >> > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it >> > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. >> > >> > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just the >> > canary in the coal mine. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Tim Mackinnon wrote >> >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying >> >> moment where something doesnât work. >> >> >> >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned - >> >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. >> >> >> >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6 >> >> and now youâre trying v7? >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < >> > >> >> jpfersich@ >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldnât >> >>> supply less information if you tried. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png >> >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org >> >>> >> >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < >> > >> >> horrido.hobbies@ >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: >> >>>> >> >>>> Error: External module not found >> >>>> >> >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >>

April 2, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by john pfersich

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS is, IMHO, is royal piece of crap. Ubuntu seems to have abandoned programmers tools almost completely in 18.04. Iâve had more problems with support of programming tools in 18.04, more than even Windows. I have run âsudo apt installâ maybe 80 times to install tools and libraries. Ubuntu 18.04âs hardware support is also lame compared to 16.04. Personally , Iâm not surprised that Pharo doesnât run on 18.04. I stopped installing 18.04 on my new machines, after all 16.04 still has a few years of support going for it, and at least it works without hours of upgrading. /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ Sent from my iPhone https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > On Apr 1, 2019, at 06:06, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior > moment. > > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain > is dying. > > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. > > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* > > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. > > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just the > canary in the coal mine. > > > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying >> moment where something doesnât work. >> >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned - >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. >> >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6 >> and now youâre trying v7? >> >> Tim >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < > >> jpfersich@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldnât >>> supply less information if you tried. >>> >>> >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: >>>> >>>> Error: External module not found >>>> >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

April 2, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, Just install libcurl from your Linux distro package manager. Maybe this should be more promptly stated in the Linux install instructions. Cheers, Offray On 1/04/19 8:06 a. m., horrido wrote: > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior > moment. > > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain > is dying. > > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. > > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* > > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. > > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just the > canary in the coal mine. > > > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying >> moment where something doesnât work. >> >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned - >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. >> >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6 >> and now youâre trying v7? >> >> Tim >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < >> jpfersich@ >> > wrote: >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldnât >>> supply less information if you tried. >>> >>> >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < >> horrido.hobbies@ >> > wrote: >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: >>>> >>>> Error: External module not found >>>> >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

April 1, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Hilaire

Which external module is not found? I personally had a recurring issue when using the P7 VM+Image. I have to use Launcher to get a working environment. Le 31/03/2019 Ã 23:21, Richard Kenneth Eng a Ã©critÂ : > I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: > > *Error: External module not found* > > It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

April 1, 2019

R: What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Lorenzo Schiavina

Hi Richard, please, don't be so pessimistic! I am sure that young man too can have the same problem! I can understand your filing as I am 77, but I hope we can do some good job again! Lorenzo -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di horrido Inviato: lunedÃ¬ 1 aprile 2019 15:07 A: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo? This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior moment. The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain is dying. The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just the canary in the coal mine. Tim Mackinnon wrote > Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying > moment where something doesnât work. > > Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned - > a Linux distro is going to be helpful. > > Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6 > and now youâre trying v7? > > Tim > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < > jpfersich@ > > wrote: >> >> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldnât >> supply less information if you tried. >> >> >> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ >> Sent from my iPhone >> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png >> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org >> >>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >>> >>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: >>> >>> Error: External module not found >>> >>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 1, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

This is basic Pharo I am talking about, not each and every plugin. $ ldd pharo-vm/lib/pharo/5.0-201901051900/pharo linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fff789b2000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f010c0ee000) libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f010bd50000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f010bb31000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f010b740000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f010c2f2000) libgit2 seems to be using libcurl (and many more) $ ldd pharo-vm/lib/pharo/5.0-201901051900/libgit2.so linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffc8dec3000) libcurl-gnutls.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.so.4 (0x00007f4057393000) libz.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 (0x00007f4057176000) libssl.so.1.0.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f4056f0e000) libcrypto.so.1.0.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 (0x00007f4056acb000) libssh2.so.1 => not found librt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1 (0x00007f40568c3000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f40566a4000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f40562b3000) libnghttp2.so.14 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnghttp2.so.14 (0x00007f405608e000) libidn2.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libidn2.so.0 (0x00007f4055e71000) librtmp.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librtmp.so.1 (0x00007f4055c55000) libpsl.so.5 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpsl.so.5 (0x00007f4055a47000) libnettle.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnettle.so.6 (0x00007f4055811000) libgnutls.so.30 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.30 (0x00007f40554ac000) libgssapi_krb5.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2 (0x00007f4055261000) libldap_r-2.4.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libldap_r-2.4.so.2 (0x00007f405500f000) liblber-2.4.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblber-2.4.so.2 (0x00007f4054e01000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f4054bfd000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f4057953000) libunistring.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunistring.so.2 (0x00007f405487f000) libhogweed.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhogweed.so.4 (0x00007f405464b000) libgmp.so.10 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10 (0x00007f40543ca000) libp11-kit.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0 (0x00007f405409b000) libtasn1.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtasn1.so.6 (0x00007f4053e88000) libkrb5.so.3 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkrb5.so.3 (0x00007f4053bb2000) libk5crypto.so.3 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libk5crypto.so.3 (0x00007f4053980000) libcom_err.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcom_err.so.2 (0x00007f405377c000) libkrb5support.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkrb5support.so.0 (0x00007f4053571000) libresolv.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libresolv.so.2 (0x00007f4053356000) libsasl2.so.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsasl2.so.2 (0x00007f405313b000) libgssapi.so.3 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi.so.3 (0x00007f4052efa000) libffi.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6 (0x00007f4052cf2000) libkeyutils.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1 (0x00007f4052aee000) libheimntlm.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libheimntlm.so.0 (0x00007f40528e5000) libkrb5.so.26 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkrb5.so.26 (0x00007f4052658000) libasn1.so.8 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libasn1.so.8 (0x00007f40523b6000) libhcrypto.so.4 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhcrypto.so.4 (0x00007f4052180000) libroken.so.18 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libroken.so.18 (0x00007f4051f6a000) libwind.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libwind.so.0 (0x00007f4051d41000) libheimbase.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libheimbase.so.1 (0x00007f4051b32000) libhx509.so.5 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhx509.so.5 (0x00007f40518e8000) libsqlite3.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsqlite3.so.0 (0x00007f40515df000) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypt.so.1 (0x00007f40513a7000) libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f4051009000) > On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:47, Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I am surprised you managed to make it work Sven, I tried some time ago but it wont work because of a problem with libcurl as far as I am concerned (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754686 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754294) > > Was libcurl dependency removed from Pharo? > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Don't be silly, of course it works. Hundreds of people have these, 99% of all servers are Linux, as are 99% of all CI jobs. > > Running Linux servers requires a certain level of expertise. > > $ cat /etc/issue > Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS \n \l > > $ uname -a > Linux audio359 4.15.0-39-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 23 15:48:01 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > $ curl get.pharo.org/64/70+vm | bash > % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current > Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed > 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 32147 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 32147 > Downloading the latest 70 Image: > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64.zip > Pharo.image > Downloading the latest pharoVM: > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64-linux-stable.zip > pharo-vm/pharo > Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui > > $ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion > [version] 'Pharo7.0.2' 'Pharo-7.0.2+build.152.sha.890f474a81f116ead0e68c8de77790aef4e9a752 (64 Bit)' > > $ ./pharo Pharo.image eval '42 factorial' > 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 > > Many people are about your age, BTW. > > > On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:06, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior > > moment. > > > > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at > > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud > > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my brain > > is dying. > > > > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and > > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the enterprise > > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going to > > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this > > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. > > > > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this list of > > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various versions of > > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS > > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various versions > > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I > > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* > > > > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, it > > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. > > > > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just the > > canary in the coal mine. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote > >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying > >> moment where something doesnât work. > >> > >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as mentioned - > >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. > >> > >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that v6 > >> and now youâre trying v7? > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < > > > >> jpfersich@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You couldnât > >>> supply less information if you tried. > >>> > >>> > >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png > >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > >>> > >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > >> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: > >>>> > >>>> Error: External module not found > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

April 1, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] What's wrong with latest Pharo?

by Vitor Medina Cruz

I am surprised you managed to make it work Sven, I tried some time ago but it wont work because of a problem with libcurl as far as I am concerned ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754686 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754294) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/1754294> Was libcurl dependency removed from Pharo? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:18 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Don't be silly, of course it works. Hundreds of people have these, 99% of > all servers are Linux, as are 99% of all CI jobs. > > Running Linux servers requires a certain level of expertise. > > $ cat /etc/issue > Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS \n \l > > $ uname -a > Linux audio359 4.15.0-39-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 23 15:48:01 UTC > 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > $ curl get.pharo.org/64/70+vm | bash > % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time > Current > Dload Upload Total Spent Left > Speed > 100 3054 100 3054 0 0 32147 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- > 32147 > Downloading the latest 70 Image: > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64.zip > Pharo.image > Downloading the latest pharoVM: > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/70/pharo64-linux-stable.zip > pharo-vm/pharo > Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui > > $ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion > [version] 'Pharo7.0.2' > 'Pharo-7.0.2+build.152.sha.890f474a81f116ead0e68c8de77790aef4e9a752 (64 > Bit)' > > $ ./pharo Pharo.image eval '42 factorial' > 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 > > Many people are about your age, BTW. > > > On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:06, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > This issue bit me in the ass before, but I forgot. Yes, I had a senior > > moment. > > > > The issue is this: When I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at > > OVH last year, it failed. I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > This week, I tried to run Pharo under Ubuntu Server 18.04 at Google Cloud > > Platform and it failed. Again, I had to fall back to Ubuntu Server 16.04. > > > > Why does this issue keep biting me in the ass??? Because I'm 65 and my > brain > > is dying. > > > > The bigger issue is this: Hosting services like Digital Ocean, OVH, and > > Google Cloud Platform are becoming increasingly important in the > enterprise > > space. If Pharo can't run on these server operating systems, it's going > to > > be a black eye for the language. We can get away with not supporting this > > for now, but it will eventually catch up with us. > > > > At Google Cloud Platform, for example, the user can choose from this > list of > > hosts: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (Stretch), CentOS 6, CentOS 7, various > versions of > > CoreOS, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Minimal, Ubuntu 18.04 > LTS > > Minimal, Ubuntu 18.10 Minimal, various versions of Red Hat, various > versions > > of SUSE, various versions of Window, and so on. It's a long list. *I > > strongly suspect that many of these are unusable with Pharo.* > > > > How to address this? I don't know. But if it's not a major problem now, > it > > will be. It's bitten me in the ass twice, and I can't be alone. > > > > I'm giving a fair warning to everyone. Don't lash back at me â I'm just > the > > canary in the coal mine. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote > >> Come on, letâs try not to be dismissive , weâve all had that annoying > >> moment where something doesnât work. > >> > >> Richard, was this installed with zero conf or Launcher, and as > mentioned - > >> a Linux distro is going to be helpful. > >> > >> Iâm assuming it worked before at some point for you right? But was that > v6 > >> and now youâre trying v7? > >> > >> Tim > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 23:46, john pfersich < > > > >> jpfersich@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> What Linux (distro and version) and which version of Pharo. You > couldnât > >>> supply less information if you tried. > >>> > >>> > >>> /*âââââââââââââââââ-*/ > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056/sig.png > >>> See https://objectnets.net and https://objectnets.org > >>> > >>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 14:21, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > >> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I just installed Pharo under Linux and when I start it up, I get: > >>>> > >>>> Error: External module not found > >>>> > >>>> It doesn't matter how I install Pharo. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > >

April 1, 2019