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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] TaskIt

by Torsten Bergmann

Santiago wrote: >What if we have links to all the groups in Pharo-project (pharo-misc, >pharo-processing, pharo-robotics, pharo-web) ? I can do the firsts steps if >we agree in here. Hi Santiago, yes - we should link the groups from the main "pharo-project" so they are easier to find. Here are the ones I know: 1. https://github.com/pharo-project 2. https://github.com/pharo-contributions (general community managed contributions) 3. https://github.com/pharo-rdbms (relational database support) 4. https://github.com/pharo-nosql (NoSQL database support) 5. https://github.com/pharo-sql (points to https://github.com/pharo-rdbms) Â 6. https://github.com/pharo-robotics (Robotics related) 7. https://github.com/pharo-brand (Brand Assets to do some marketing) 8. https://github.com/pharo-db (looks like offical DB stuff, but created by Todd Blanchard to assemble some database projects) Not existing (yet), dont know why you need/mentioned them https://github.com/pharo-misc Â https://github.com/pharo-processingÂ https://github.com/pharo-we For TaskIt maybe you start in "pharo-contributions" and if Pharo has more projects in similar directions an own separate group could be created. I'm not sure if an own mailinglist other than "Pharo-users" makes sense but https://lists.pharo.org now also meanwhile got an additional "Pharo-iot" and "Workflow-engine" mailinglist. Thanks T.Â

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Printer device communications

by Noury Bouraqadi

Hi Dario, I suggest you use socket stream and more specifically the ZdcSocketStream class. Socket is too low level, and web socket is for communications over HTTP. Noury > On 17 Dec 2019, at 13:20, dario.trussardi65 <dario.trussardi65(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ciao, > > i have to manage bidirectional communications with a printing device. > > > For now from Pharo i open a TCP-IP connection on the device that acts as a server. > > So from the program ( client ) i manage the synchronous transmission and reception > > of the various commands to the device and everything is ok. > > At this point it remains for me to manage - intercept on the client (Pharo) > > the asynchronous transmission of commands by the server ( for example: the end of paper notification from the device ) > > How can i handle this? > > At which level do you advise me to work? ( socket - socketStream - websocket - ....... ..... ) > > Any advice on this? > > Thank, > > Dario

Dec. 17, 2019

Printer device communications

by dario.trussardi65

Ciao, i have to manage bidirectional communications with a printing device. For now from Pharo i open a TCP-IP connection on the device that acts as a server. So from the program ( client ) i manage the synchronous transmission and reception of the various commands to the device and everything is ok. At this point it remains for me to manage - intercept on the client (Pharo) the asynchronous transmission of commands by the server ( for example: the end of paper notification from the device ) How can i handle this? At which level do you advise me to work? ( socket - socketStream - websocket - ....... ..... ) Any advice on this? Thank, Dario

Dec. 17, 2019

Pharo TechTalk December 19th

by Marcus Denker

A regular chat about Pharo. Topic: âWorking with Spec2 and GTKâ https://association.pharo.org/event-3419547 There is a Discord channel where everything else will be organised (e.g. youtube life streaming if needed).

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] TaskIt

by Santiago Bragagnolo

El mar., 17 dic. 2019 a las 9:40, Norbert Hartl (<norbert(a)hartl.name>) escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > > Am 16.12.2019 um 11:41 schrieb Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: > > > > ï»¿ > > Hi everybody! > > We are starting to discuss with norbert about letting taskit to leave > my incubator (my github account to go elsewhere). I have being thinking > about it since long time, since i would like it to allow taskit to evolve > into more than just my needs and wishes. > > > > The sidequestion i am bringing today it may seem (or even be) almost > scholastic at this point, but i think it should have some space. > > The question is if to move it to pharo-contributions, or if to create > a new pharo-processing. > > > I was asking this myself for a long time. Then I just started to move > things to pharo-contributions because I could not come up with a better > idea. Iâm not convinced that having more organizations on github will help. > > > During the ESUG i came up with the idea/feeling/etc that it would be > nice to have a group of people interested into processing (as hobby, duty, > etc) for being able to push further this project and what-ever-other > related project. > > During the conference i addressed norbert, tomohiro, mariano, matteo, > guille, pablo, noury, (people for whom processing directly or indirectly is > a primary concern) and i think there is even more people interested in this > kind of general problematic, for what i sensed specially during my esug > presentation. I think that to build a kind of team or group for discussing > and working on this subject is a step in a direction that search to solve > many modern daily problems that pushes us out of larger models of business > and interaction (cloud and derivatives). Having this points in mind i think > that the choice of this new github project could be a good point to start a > to work on this goal (as a first place of gathering). > > > I personally wouldnât do it from the start. Usually this is kind of a > premature optimization to put groups and permissions and all of that on the > table. > If it comes to groups it comes to permissions and the management of them. > You might try to solve a problem that might not even have. But you put the > burden of managing memberships and permissions and that prevents > collaboration to some extent > > So my golden rule to this is that if you donât have real good reason to > add something like this organization, just donât. Wait until there is a > problem. At that point you know what problem you have and you might have an > appropriate idea how to solve it. This is very hard to do a priori. > wowowo, i never spoke about memberships nor access, it would be a nice reason to me to not do it hahahaha. I am speaking only about drawing a box where we put the discussions on processing. Ii am naming people is just to remark the fact that there is people not only interested on this, but also working on this, meaning that to have a place for having this punctual disussions could be nice (just as a way of organising the discussions and having only informtion relevant to the processing thing. Still, i am aware that when we organise like this we are not organising for that, losing some freedom, and adding a complexity when gathering general information). What if we have links to all the groups in Pharo-project (pharo-misc, pharo-processing, pharo-robotics, pharo-web) ? I can do the firsts steps if we agree in here. > But we need indeed a general approach how to handle that. Every time > someone asks me to be added to pharo-contributions Iâm thinking about if > the setup is ok. > > Norbert > > > Still, i would like to hear other's opinion, in order to be able to > deal with this maybe before new year :). > > > > Thanks for your time and reading :) > > > > Santiago > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dec. 17, 2019

[ANN] Next Pharo Sprint: Dec 20

by Marcus Denker

We will organize a Pharo sprint / Moose dojo Dec 20, starting at 10:00am. (Local Time Paris). Goals of this sprint: - Pharo 8: Fix issues from tracker https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues> Remote Sprint: Remotely, you can join us on Discord. During the sprint, we synchronize local and remote Pharo sprinters: http://pharo.org/contribute-events <http://pharo.org/contribute-events> We have added a Board to coordinate the work: https://github.com/orgs/pharo-project/projects/9 <https://github.com/orgs/pharo-project/projects/9> Known Local Sprint meetings - Lille/France: It will be at the Inria Lille, Building B, third floor (RMoD offices). As the building is not open to the public, please contact us before if you plan to come A list of all Pharo Event of the year an be found here: https://association.pharo.org/events <https://association.pharo.org/events>

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] TaskIt

by Norbert Hartl

Hi, > Am 16.12.2019 um 11:41 schrieb Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: > > ï»¿ > Hi everybody! > We are starting to discuss with norbert about letting taskit to leave my incubator (my github account to go elsewhere). I have being thinking about it since long time, since i would like it to allow taskit to evolve into more than just my needs and wishes. > > The sidequestion i am bringing today it may seem (or even be) almost scholastic at this point, but i think it should have some space. > The question is if to move it to pharo-contributions, or if to create a new pharo-processing. > I was asking this myself for a long time. Then I just started to move things to pharo-contributions because I could not come up with a better idea. Iâm not convinced that having more organizations on github will help. > During the ESUG i came up with the idea/feeling/etc that it would be nice to have a group of people interested into processing (as hobby, duty, etc) for being able to push further this project and what-ever-other related project. > During the conference i addressed norbert, tomohiro, mariano, matteo, guille, pablo, noury, (people for whom processing directly or indirectly is a primary concern) and i think there is even more people interested in this kind of general problematic, for what i sensed specially during my esug presentation. I think that to build a kind of team or group for discussing and working on this subject is a step in a direction that search to solve many modern daily problems that pushes us out of larger models of business and interaction (cloud and derivatives). Having this points in mind i think that the choice of this new github project could be a good point to start a to work on this goal (as a first place of gathering). > I personally wouldnât do it from the start. Usually this is kind of a premature optimization to put groups and permissions and all of that on the table. If it comes to groups it comes to permissions and the management of them. You might try to solve a problem that might not even have. But you put the burden of managing memberships and permissions and that prevents collaboration to some extent So my golden rule to this is that if you donât have real good reason to add something like this organization, just donât. Wait until there is a problem. At that point you know what problem you have and you might have an appropriate idea how to solve it. This is very hard to do a priori. But we need indeed a general approach how to handle that. Every time someone asks me to be added to pharo-contributions Iâm thinking about if the setup is ok. Norbert > Still, i would like to hear other's opinion, in order to be able to deal with this maybe before new year :). > > Thanks for your time and reading :) > > Santiago > > > > >

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Roelof Wobben

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hello, I donât think anyone will answer positively this kind of question (mentoring is time consuming, and requires a dedication probably nobody can take) :) But what you can do is to ask direct questions, those ones we are always happy to answer, here or in discord channel. Cheers, Esteban > On 16 Dec 2019, at 13:56, Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > From: Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> > Subject: Re: sot of mentor help (second time asking) > Date: 16 December 2019 at 13:56:15 CET > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > > Pity that no one answers. > > Is it a possibility to ask for feedback for the ones that I can solve and ask for some pointers for the one I have no clue how to solve them. > > So anyone who can and is willing to help me can respond. > > Roelof > > > > Op 12-12-2019 om 19:11 schreef Roelof Wobben: >> Hello, >> >> do not know if this is the right channel but is there someone or some book which can help me learn how to approach complex problems like the AdventOfCode challenges , I try that but im stuck because most of the time I have the feeling I choose a difficult solution where some easier one exist. >> or I have a very bad plan >> that is a wall I hit many times with my languages and I need a way to get out of it and make a step further with Pharo >> >> I ask earlier and somone volunteeed and I hope he or another person would help me. >> With the earlier volunteeer it did not work because I m not always understand him/her and want to apolize for that and the way I ended it. it was not a nice way. >> >> Regards, >> >> Roelof > > >

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Roelof Wobben

Dec. 16, 2019