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Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Daniel Birkinshaw < daniel.birkinshaw(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > FWIW I hate this behaviour also. A number of IDEs do it too (Eclipse, > Netbeans). I always turn this behaviour off because it infuriates me. > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 07:04:25PM -0400, Johan Fabry wrote: > > > > It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it > is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you > want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when > you editing a String with quotes included). > > > > I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does > not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new > images). > > > > On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong > and how you would expect it to work: > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > > > > > Patches are also welcome. > > > > > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search > for "bracket". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Adrian > > > > -- > > Johan Fabry > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry<http://dcc.uchile.cl/%7Ejfabry> > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 11, 2010

Getting back the old fonts

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi all, I would like to get back the old fonts in my Pharo image (please see attachment), any tips or script? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Daniel Birkinshaw

FWIW I hate this behaviour also. A number of IDEs do it too (Eclipse, Netbeans). I always turn this behaviour off because it infuriates me. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 07:04:25PM -0400, Johan Fabry wrote: > > It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when you editing a String with quotes included). > > I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new images). > > On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > > > Patches are also welcome. > > > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

Nice trick that, I see that it is very useful. But this is not made obvious to the user, so another 'surprising' behavior, i.e. not nice. Another alternative: would it be possible to have an open workspace in the default image that documents these ecompletion behaviors (with the possibility to turn it off by a DoIt)? On 10 May 2010, at 18:18, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when you editing a String with quotes included). I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new images). On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > Patches are also welcome. > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". > > Cheers, > Adrian -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

On 10 May 2010, at 18:36, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > How to type a single item: > - Type " => "" > - Press DEL => " Ah yes, something simple enough for me to get used to. I will try that and see how annoyed I get :-) > There is indeed an improvement that could be made. In TextMate once you move the cursor, the deletion of a start character trigger no longer deletes the other one. That could indeed be useful in Pharo as well. This is an excellent idea! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

Hi, How to type a single item: - Type " => "" - Press DEL => " There is indeed an improvement that could be made. In TextMate once you move the cursor, the deletion of a start character trigger no longer deletes the other one. That could indeed be useful in Pharo as well. Cheers, Doru On 11 May 2010, at 00:33, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > It may feel annoying at first, but it gets really confortable in > (little) time. Selecting text and "surround" it with a pair of > brackets/quotes/etc. is just great. The feuture that is bothering > you really helps to type quicker and cleaner once you get used to it. > > Maybe... there could be some kind of shortcut to write just the > opening bracket/quote/whatever without it's closing pair? > > For example, if I press Shift+8 I get (). > But if I press Alt+Shift+8 I could get just (. > > Do you think that could be more confortable to avoid deleting the > closing character? > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like > TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore > for example, it doesn't happen. > > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... > it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is > usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to > open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like > 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to > go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I > have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you > press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 > timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . > And the same with all those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very > very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I > was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and > then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to > work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not > belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "Relationships are of two kinds: those we choose and those that happen. They both matter."

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Carla F. Griggio

It may feel annoying at first, but it gets really confortable in (little) time. Selecting text and "surround" it with a pair of brackets/quotes/etc. is just great. The feuture that is bothering you really helps to type quicker and cleaner once you get used to it. Maybe... there could be some kind of shortcut to write just the opening bracket/quote/whatever without it's closing pair? For example, if I press *Shift+8* I get *()*. But if I press *Alt+Shift+8* I could get just *(*. Do you think that could be more confortable to avoid deleting the closing character? On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org>wrote: > >> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> in Pharo? >> >> > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout > that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, > it doesn't happen. > > >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> many. >> > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will > AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: > you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , > just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to > left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press > the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: > ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all > those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Ron Jeffries >> www.XProgramming.com >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> them?" -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > This is how it works: 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] and I need to have it like this: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) the whay to work with Pharo is not: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] then Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha Cheers Mariano > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Ron Jeffries

Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > So, why is this a bug? How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work in Pharo? I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too many. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in them?" -- H. G. Wells

May 10, 2010