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Pharocasts can speak !

by laurent laffont

Hi, Thanks to Christoph Budzinski, the "How to contribute to Pharo" screencast has now a voice. http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-to-contribute-to-pharo.html Feedback welcome. Cheers, Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess on Windows

by Bob Cowdery

Hi Carlos Well, I think frustration is starting to creep in now. Everything I touch seems to croak in some way. I loaded ProcessWrapper as it seems to be the more recommended way on Windows. Still didn't get a plugin with it. Noted that 'ProcessWrapper downloadPlugin' is supposed to do that. That didn't work as it falls over on 'Utilities informUserDuring: '. Even when I took that out of the source it still fell over. Downloaded the plugin source and tried to build it but its missing libraries and I don't know which ones. Also it has a header file which can't be generated so I made one up but probably got it wrong. Oh, well, guess I will press on a bit longer. Bob Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Hi, I am interesred also in what you are trying to use, but had loaded > ProcessWrappper and executed Excell passing a spreadsheet file as > argument and got the inside VBScript running fine, but the Excel > terminates too early because I could fid the way to control how the > parent process may wait for the child to terminate. > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Bob Cowdery <bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > <mailto:bob@bobcowdery.plus.com>> wrote: > > Does anyone use OSProcess on Windows? If so can you tell me how to > make > it work please. > > OSProcess thisOSProcess command: 'cmd.exe /C notepad' > > Fails in two ways. It tries to output a message to stderr but fails to > do so. The message it tries to output just says: > "nextPutAll: 'cannot execute cmd.exe /C notepad'". > > I also tried to open a console with: > OSProcess thisOSProcess openConsole > > but that seems to do nothing and gives no errors. > > Any help very welcome. > > Regards > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess on Windows

by Carlos Crosetti

Hi, I am interesred also in what you are trying to use, but had loaded ProcessWrappper and executed Excell passing a spreadsheet file as argument and got the inside VBScript running fine, but the Excel terminates too early because I could fid the way to control how the parent process may wait for the child to terminate. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Bob Cowdery <bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com>wrote: > Does anyone use OSProcess on Windows? If so can you tell me how to make > it work please. > > OSProcess thisOSProcess command: 'cmd.exe /C notepad' > > Fails in two ways. It tries to output a message to stderr but fails to > do so. The message it tries to output just says: > "nextPutAll: 'cannot execute cmd.exe /C notepad'". > > I also tried to open a console with: > OSProcess thisOSProcess openConsole > > but that seems to do nothing and gives no errors. > > Any help very welcome. > > Regards > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess on Windows

by Denis Kudriashov

Recently I try OSProcess and dont found built win plugin for it. And I try ProcessWrapper instead OSProcess. Its work good for me. Search squeaksource 2010/6/25 Bob Cowdery <bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com> > Does anyone use OSProcess on Windows? If so can you tell me how to make > it work please. > > OSProcess thisOSProcess command: 'cmd.exe /C notepad' > > Fails in two ways. It tries to output a message to stderr but fails to > do so. The message it tries to output just says: > "nextPutAll: 'cannot execute cmd.exe /C notepad'". > > I also tried to open a console with: > OSProcess thisOSProcess openConsole > > but that seems to do nothing and gives no errors. > > Any help very welcome. > > Regards > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 25, 2010

OSProcess on Windows

by Bob Cowdery

Does anyone use OSProcess on Windows? If so can you tell me how to make it work please. OSProcess thisOSProcess command: 'cmd.exe /C notepad' Fails in two ways. It tries to output a message to stderr but fails to do so. The message it tries to output just says: "nextPutAll: 'cannot execute cmd.exe /C notepad'". I also tried to open a console with: OSProcess thisOSProcess openConsole but that seems to do nothing and gives no errors. Any help very welcome. Regards Bob

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] VM/Settings for Deploy

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Laurent, Mariano, Thanks for the reply. I read the various threads you both pointed to. This is not a good situation. A good VM (stable and performant) is absolutely critical to Smalltalk/Squeak/Pharo's success. A 30% speed difference due to some secret compiler settings is very scary for what is essentially an open source project, although I also understand that some people want to get some money back for their efforts. I can't imagine that recompiling the Linux kernel, Apache or PostgreSQL with some secret compiler settings or even another compiler would make so much difference versus the open way (although some minor speedup by tuning compilation to specific hardware is to be expected). I think (and Stef suggested as much since he mentioned buying the Intel C compiler) Pharo needs to deal with this to fullfill its mission of offering a free and open source attractive platform to build and deploy mission critical Smalltalk applications. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable license/support fee if that would benefit the community as a whole at the same time. Sven On 24 Jun 2010, at 10:47, laurent laffont wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > Hi, > > I am very happy that I managed to create a very small deploy image based on Pharo-1.1-11400-rc2. This image contains all of Seaside and Glorp/PostgreSQL and is still only about 12Mb. All this thanks to ScriptLoader's #cleanUpForProduction. > > Thanks a lot to all who made this possible. > > I noticed however that this image is handling my HTTP/Seaside benchmark consistenly faster on my Mac, about 80 to 85 req/s (Mac OS X 10.6.4, 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM) than on my server (RHEL 4 (update 7), 2 Ghz AMD Opteron 175 Dual Core with 4GB RAM), about 55 to 65 req/s. > > On my Mac I use the Squeak 4.2.4beta1U VM, on my server the Squeak-4.0.3.2202 Unix VM. > > Next I tried the Squeak-4.0.3.2202 VM on my Mac. This resulted in about 60 to 70 req/s. > > Is it normal that the Unix VM is slower than the Mac VM ? > > > Hi, > > I've struggled on this and finally give up. > > It seems Linux VM can be better than MacOSX one: > - http://forum.world.st/Squeak-VM-FT2Plugin-all-Pharo-1-0-rc3-tests-green-tp1… > - http://forum.world.st/Squeak-VM-FT2Plugin-all-Pharo-1-0-rc3-tests-green-tp1… > > But how is a secret: http://forum.world.st/Squeak-VM-FT2Plugin-all-Pharo-1-0-rc3-tests-green-tp1… > > I will help if you work on building the VM for Linux. > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > > For what I have been experimenting, and with the default configuration, yes. > I mean, if you go to the website, download both VMs, and run, I think that yes. Maybe compiling Linux vms with particular flags in the configure, you may have better results. > > I said this in another thread I people said I was talking bullship, so, I won't talk any more. > > I let you two links in case you are interested to read: > > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-apparently-slow-on-linux-td1304643.html#a1304643 > > http://forum.world.st/Squeak-VM-FT2Plugin-all-Pharo-1-0-rc3-tests-green-tp1… > > > Shouldn't a Linux server box be faster at networking/IO/CPU than a MacBook Pro running the full Mac OS X GUI ? > > > not necessary. Because you depends on the VM I think. > > > > Is there anything simple (low hanging fruit kind of stuff) that I can do to improve performance, either using command line options to the VM or using settings at the image level ? > > > yes. First the flags when compiling the VM. Check the version of GCC. > Then you can check all the parameters of the GC and etc...but I have no idea how to tune this. > > > I currently run the VM with: > > Squeak-4.0.3.2202-linux_i386/bin/squeak -vm-display-null -vm-sound-null deploy.image > > What are others using in the Seaside deploy area ? > > Thanks, > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages

by Bob Cowdery

Adrian Thanks, that was easy. Works from Monticello. Strange it doesn't work using the .sar file from that link. Bob Adrien BARREAU wrote: > I just load OSProcess from Monticello and it does not display any error. > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/OSProcess' > user: '' > password: '' > > This is this repository. > > Adrien. > > > > > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:45:43 +0100 > > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > > > Hi Adrian > > > > Not having much luck really. I've tried two versions of OsProcess, one I > > found from a previous Pharo message and the other from your link. Both > > fail to load with Syntax errors and leave all the categories installed > > but no code. This is the error which was in UnixProcess (a bit odd > > seeing as I'm on Windows). I also loaded the OsProcessPlugin but that > > appears to require compiling according to the readme. This all seems to > > be much harder than it should be, or maybe it's just me. > > > > Regards > > Bob > > > > argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings > > "Given anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings, flatten the array into a > > string buffer, > > leaving space at the beginning of the buffer for a list of C > > pointers. Answer > > the string buffer and an array of address offsets. The address > > offsets may later > > be converted to C pointers and overlaid on the beginning of the > > buffer, resulting > > in a data structure which can be treated as a C array of strings > > suitable for > > use as a Unix argv vector." > > > > "OSProcess thisOSProcess argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: > > (UnixProcess arguments collect: > > [:e | e, (Character value: 0) asString])" > > > > | offset arraySize flatStringArray ws addresses | > > "Preserve offset space to hold address pointers." > > offset := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self > > processAccessor sizeOfPointer. > > "Allocate flat strings buffer" > > arraySize := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) sum > > + ((anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self > > processAccessor sizeOfPointer). > > "Flatten the strings out into a buffer, leaving room at the > > beginning of the buffer for an array of addresses." > > flatStringArray := String new: arraySize. > > ws := WriteStream on: flatStringArray. > > offset timesRepeat: [ws nextPut: (Character value: 0)]. > > anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings do: [:e | ws nextPutAll: e]. > > "Find address offsets to be used in creating the addresses for the > > strings." > > ws := WriteStream on: (Array new: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size). > > (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) > > inject: offset into: [:p :e | ws nextPut: p. Cannot store into > > ->p := p + e]. > > addresses := ws contents. > > "Results" > > ^ Array with: flatStringArray with: addresses > > > > > > Adrien BARREAU wrote: > > > The first thing I do (don't know if it's the best idea) when I am > > > searching for a package is to take a loot at www.squeaksource.com and > > > search the project in the "projects" tab. > > > But, it seems to be down for the moment. > > > > > > Adrien. > > > > > > For OSProcess, i suggest you read that: > > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 :) > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:16:34 +0100 > > > > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > > > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > Subject: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > > > > > > > Sorry if this is a bit of a basic question. Could someone > enlighten me > > > > on how to install packages please. I want to be able to run command > > > > files under windows from within Pharo. It looks like I need > OsProcess or > > > > maybe CommandShell. I assume these should be installable from > > > > Monticello. I don't see any search facility in the Monticello > Browser > > > > and tried a few repositories but failed to find what I needed. > What's > > > > the best way to find packages. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Vous voulez protÃ©ger votre numÃ©ro de CB ? 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June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages

by Adrien BARREAU

I just load OSProcess from Monticello and it does not display any error. MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/OSProcess' user: '' password: '' This is this repository. Adrien. > Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:45:43 +0100 > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > Hi Adrian > > Not having much luck really. I've tried two versions of OsProcess, one I > found from a previous Pharo message and the other from your link. Both > fail to load with Syntax errors and leave all the categories installed > but no code. This is the error which was in UnixProcess (a bit odd > seeing as I'm on Windows). I also loaded the OsProcessPlugin but that > appears to require compiling according to the readme. This all seems to > be much harder than it should be, or maybe it's just me. > > Regards > Bob > > argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings > "Given anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings, flatten the array into a > string buffer, > leaving space at the beginning of the buffer for a list of C > pointers. Answer > the string buffer and an array of address offsets. The address > offsets may later > be converted to C pointers and overlaid on the beginning of the > buffer, resulting > in a data structure which can be treated as a C array of strings > suitable for > use as a Unix argv vector." > > "OSProcess thisOSProcess argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: > (UnixProcess arguments collect: > [:e | e, (Character value: 0) asString])" > > | offset arraySize flatStringArray ws addresses | > "Preserve offset space to hold address pointers." > offset := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self > processAccessor sizeOfPointer. > "Allocate flat strings buffer" > arraySize := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) sum > + ((anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self > processAccessor sizeOfPointer). > "Flatten the strings out into a buffer, leaving room at the > beginning of the buffer for an array of addresses." > flatStringArray := String new: arraySize. > ws := WriteStream on: flatStringArray. > offset timesRepeat: [ws nextPut: (Character value: 0)]. > anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings do: [:e | ws nextPutAll: e]. > "Find address offsets to be used in creating the addresses for the > strings." > ws := WriteStream on: (Array new: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size). > (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) > inject: offset into: [:p :e | ws nextPut: p. Cannot store into > ->p := p + e]. > addresses := ws contents. > "Results" > ^ Array with: flatStringArray with: addresses > > > Adrien BARREAU wrote: > > The first thing I do (don't know if it's the best idea) when I am > > searching for a package is to take a loot at www.squeaksource.com and > > search the project in the "projects" tab. > > But, it seems to be down for the moment. > > > > Adrien. > > > > For OSProcess, i suggest you read that: > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 :) > > > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:16:34 +0100 > > > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > Subject: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > > > > > Sorry if this is a bit of a basic question. Could someone enlighten me > > > on how to install packages please. I want to be able to run command > > > files under windows from within Pharo. It looks like I need OsProcess or > > > maybe CommandShell. I assume these should be installable from > > > Monticello. I don't see any search facility in the Monticello Browser > > > and tried a few repositories but failed to find what I needed. What's > > > the best way to find packages. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Vous voulez protÃ©ger votre numÃ©ro de CB ? Utilisez Internet Explorer 8 > > <http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/232102479/direct/01/> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _________________________________________________________________ Vous voulez regarder la TV directement depuis votre PC ? C'est trÃ¨s simple avec Windows 7 http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/229960614/direct/01/

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages

by Bob Cowdery

Hi Adrian Not having much luck really. I've tried two versions of OsProcess, one I found from a previous Pharo message and the other from your link. Both fail to load with Syntax errors and leave all the categories installed but no code. This is the error which was in UnixProcess (a bit odd seeing as I'm on Windows). I also loaded the OsProcessPlugin but that appears to require compiling according to the readme. This all seems to be much harder than it should be, or maybe it's just me. Regards Bob argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings "Given anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings, flatten the array into a string buffer, leaving space at the beginning of the buffer for a list of C pointers. Answer the string buffer and an array of address offsets. The address offsets may later be converted to C pointers and overlaid on the beginning of the buffer, resulting in a data structure which can be treated as a C array of strings suitable for use as a Unix argv vector." "OSProcess thisOSProcess argsAsFlatArrayAndOffsets: (UnixProcess arguments collect: [:e | e, (Character value: 0) asString])" | offset arraySize flatStringArray ws addresses | "Preserve offset space to hold address pointers." offset := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self processAccessor sizeOfPointer. "Allocate flat strings buffer" arraySize := (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) sum + ((anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size + 1) * self processAccessor sizeOfPointer). "Flatten the strings out into a buffer, leaving room at the beginning of the buffer for an array of addresses." flatStringArray := String new: arraySize. ws := WriteStream on: flatStringArray. offset timesRepeat: [ws nextPut: (Character value: 0)]. anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings do: [:e | ws nextPutAll: e]. "Find address offsets to be used in creating the addresses for the strings." ws := WriteStream on: (Array new: anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings size). (anArrayOfNullTerminatedStrings collect: [:e | e size]) inject: offset into: [:p :e | ws nextPut: p. Cannot store into ->p := p + e]. addresses := ws contents. "Results" ^ Array with: flatStringArray with: addresses Adrien BARREAU wrote: > The first thing I do (don't know if it's the best idea) when I am > searching for a package is to take a loot at www.squeaksource.com and > search the project in the "projects" tab. > But, it seems to be down for the moment. > > Adrien. > > For OSProcess, i suggest you read that: > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 :) > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:16:34 +0100 > > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > > > Sorry if this is a bit of a basic question. Could someone enlighten me > > on how to install packages please. I want to be able to run command > > files under windows from within Pharo. It looks like I need OsProcess or > > maybe CommandShell. I assume these should be installable from > > Monticello. I don't see any search facility in the Monticello Browser > > and tried a few repositories but failed to find what I needed. What's > > the best way to find packages. > > > > Thanks > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Vous voulez protÃ©ger votre numÃ©ro de CB ? Utilisez Internet Explorer 8 > <http://clk.atdmt.com/FRM/go/232102479/direct/01/> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding packages

by Adrien BARREAU

The first thing I do (don't know if it's the best idea) when I am searching for a package is to take a loot at www.squeaksource.com and search the project in the "projects" tab. But, it seems to be down for the moment. Adrien. For OSProcess, i suggest you read that: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/708 :) > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:16:34 +0100 > From: bob(a)bobcowdery.plus.com > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: [Pharo-users] Finding packages > > Sorry if this is a bit of a basic question. Could someone enlighten me > on how to install packages please. I want to be able to run command > files under windows from within Pharo. It looks like I need OsProcess or > maybe CommandShell. I assume these should be installable from > Monticello. I don't see any search facility in the Monticello Browser > and tried a few repositories but failed to find what I needed. What's > the best way to find packages. > > Thanks > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : Simple et Efficace qui vous facilite la vieâ¦ DÃ©couvrez la NOW gÃ©nÃ©ration ! http://www.windowslive.fr/hotmail/nowgeneration/

June 25, 2010