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Re: [Pharo-users] Minimal pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Annick > I have now tried the minimal images indicated by Torsten and Stephane, on Windows it amounts to 9.1 Mega in memory ... > Would it be smaller on Linux ? > Yet, I still need a shoe horn, having only 8 M ram from which 1.5 is already taken by the kernel... do you need the sources? The minikernel image is 2 mb Now you should also release the cache of MC and do several incantation and you can get to a more reasonable size. > Any idea to downsize even more ? There are more to throw away and we are always trying to componentize it. Did you remove the tests? > Best regards > > Annick Fron

Jan. 4, 2011

Minimal pharo

by Annick Fron

Hi all, I have now tried the minimal images indicated by Torsten and Stephane, on Windows it amounts to 9.1 Mega in memory ... Would it be smaller on Linux ? Yet, I still need a shoe horn, having only 8 M ram from which 1.5 is already taken by the kernel... Any idea to downsize even more ? Best regards Annick Fron

Jan. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Telnet client

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Aidan, I have no idea, but I cc'ed pharo-dev mailing list just in case someone can help mariano On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Aidan Gauland <aidalgol(a)no8wireless.co.nz>wrote: > Hi, > > I want to create a MUD <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD> client (a > client for games played over Telnet) with Pharo, but I'm stuck on how > best to use Pharo as a Telnet client. I've heard of the cURL plugin, > but I'm not sure if that can be (easily) used for anything other than > file transfers. Even if I built and installed it, I'm not confident > I'd be able to tell for certain whether I can use it in the way I > want. I also found this > <http://map.squeak.org/package/14bcecc6-dbb8-4866-bb0c-25278ca882ba>, > but that's about eight years old and its homepage link is dead, so it > doesn't look too promising. I found TelnetProtocolClient in the Pharo > image, but that does not seem to be at all what I need. > > Can someone with experience with telnetting from within Pharo/Squeak > point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > Aidan > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk0hlP4ACgkQjyzTRvYJmaV/3QCePcuRL3E1EX1OYjT6nVGSjnyl > VoQAoIF507GVLtaWENeKTOYbhSWGqrmh > =JWyt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

Jan. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Telnet client

by Sean P. DeNigris

Finding old ( and sometimes new ;-) ) Squeak code is a bit of an art. I find the Nabble search of all Smalltalk mailing lists (or you can restrict to sub groups/lists e.g. just Pharo) the best starting point (http://forum.world.st/) Searching on "telnet" produced a link to the code for the Telnet project you found (the thread is called "Net::Telnet equivalent"). Also, a google search on "squeak smalltalk telnet" produced the following additional leads: * Download some old images; "December 2004... Squeak has built in a very basic telnet client" http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1523 * look at the Curl plugin; "adds an new repository type that uses the Curl Plugin... supports TELNET http://www.squeaksource.com/monticellossl" HTH, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Telnet-client-tp3171716p3172111.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 3, 2011

Telnet client

by Aidan Gauland

Hi, I want to create a MUD <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD> client (a client for games played over Telnet) with Pharo, but I'm stuck on how best to use Pharo as a Telnet client. I've heard of the cURL plugin, but I'm not sure if that can be (easily) used for anything other than file transfers. Even if I built and installed it, I'm not confident I'd be able to tell for certain whether I can use it in the way I want. I also found this <http://map.squeak.org/package/14bcecc6-dbb8-4866-bb0c-25278ca882ba>, but that's about eight years old and its homepage link is dead, so it doesn't look too promising. I found TelnetProtocolClient in the Pharo image, but that does not seem to be at all what I need. Can someone with experience with telnetting from within Pharo/Squeak point me in the right direction? Thanks, Aidan

Jan. 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Daniel Klein <danielk(a)danielk.us> wrote: > There is issue 2610, but it is 'closed'. The closing comment, by > marcus.denker, is: "I think this has been fixed in 1.2" > > Thanks for the research. Indeed, it is solved in pharo 1.2 > I can't tell if it is fixed on 1.2 cos I don't know how to turn this > behavior on? What setting is it? > > I can reproduce it on 1.1 with these steps: > > 1) Open the the Transcript window > 2) Open a Shout Workspace > 3) type a ( or [, (or any of the special characters that automatically > display the 'closing' character), then move the cursor with the right or > left arrow key > > The numbers that show up in the Transcript are the column positions of the > characters. It appears to be some debugging code left in. > > Excellent. With this help, I just put a breakpoint in ThreadSafeTranscript >> #show: and see who was calling it ;) The result was that it was being called from ECController >> checkNeedlesCharacter: aCharacter | result | oppositeChar ifNil: [ ^ false ]. result := oppositeChar = aCharacter. result ifTrue: [caret = (editor caret - 1) ifTrue: [editor selectAt: editor caret + 1. self invalidateEditorMorph] ifFalse: [editor zapSelectionWith: aCharacter asString. editor selectFrom: editor caret + 1 to: editor caret]]. Transcript crShow: caret; space; show: editor caret. oppositeChar := nil. ^ result This is the completion tool. It is not part of pharo core, but in Pharo1.2 it is fixed becuase it uses newer versions of OCompletion, with seems to have fixed this. If I wanted to find where this bug is myself, where would I start to look? > Can you give me a hint? > > First, put a breakpoint in the transcript show: was a good idea. Then, you can serach in all the code, the stringf 'Transcript show:' for example > *** > > Another question: How can I search the source code in the image for a > particular string? > > type the string somewhere, for example, 'Transcript show:', right button -> "extended search" -> "method source with it" > Dan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] *On Behalf Of *Mariano Martinez > Peck > *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:27 > > *To:* A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Daniel Klein <danielk(a)danielk.us> wrote: > >> I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my >> doing anything (that I know of). For example: >> >> 18 19 >> 19 20 >> 22 29 >> 557 562 >> 570 571 >> 598 599 >> 514 515 >> >> What are they? And why are they showing up? >> > > Hi dan. Yes, I saw that also. Definitvly it is a bug. I am sure there is > some Transcript show: somewhere in the pharo base code.... > I think there is an issue opened with it on the bug tracker. can you check? > > It would be nice to found the place where this print was left on :( > > Mariano >

Jan. 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Daniel Klein

There is issue 2610, but it is 'closed'. The closing comment, by marcus.denker, is: "I think this has been fixed in 1.2" I can't tell if it is fixed on 1.2 cos I don't know how to turn this behavior on? What setting is it? I can reproduce it on 1.1 with these steps: 1) Open the the Transcript window 2) Open a Shout Workspace 3) type a ( or [, (or any of the special characters that automatically display the 'closing' character), then move the cursor with the right or left arrow key The numbers that show up in the Transcript are the column positions of the characters. It appears to be some debugging code left in. If I wanted to find where this bug is myself, where would I start to look? Can you give me a hint? *** Another question: How can I search the source code in the image for a particular string? Dan _____ From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:27 To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Daniel Klein <danielk(a)danielk.us> wrote: I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: 18 19 19 20 22 29 557 562 570 571 598 599 514 515 What are they? And why are they showing up? Hi dan. Yes, I saw that also. Definitvly it is a bug. I am sure there is some Transcript show: somewhere in the pharo base code.... I think there is an issue opened with it on the bug tracker. can you check? It would be nice to found the place where this print was left on :( Mariano

Jan. 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal pharo image

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Annick, You may also want to try ScriptLoader new cleanUpForProduction; cleanUpForRelease This shrinks a 1.0/1.1 image to 7MB or less IIRC (don't know the size for the current 1.2). Cheers, Adrian On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:39 , Annick Fron wrote: > Hi, thank you to all, > > I have fever those days, I will have a look in January. > > My best wishes for 2011 ! > > Le 21 dÃ©c. 2010 Ã 23:47, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > >> Hi Annick. You should know also that there is a lot of work arround pharo for having smaller images than Pharo kernel. >> >> The project is known as Seed, and Nicolas (cc'ed) may have someting else to say. >> >> Here I paste some slides: here >> >> Video: Seed project: The challenge of creating a Smalltalk kernel >> >> cheers >> >> mariano >> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: >> On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Annick Fron wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am looking for a minimal pharo image. Does anyone know how much file space I need for a minimal image with smalltalk servlets and http at least, or even Seaside ? >>> >>> Annick Fron >> >> I don't know the answer to that. You can download the PharoCore image from http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download and install the packages you need. >> >> Pat >> >> >

Jan. 1, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Daniel Klein

Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 I will see what I can do to either find it or reproduce it. Dan _____ From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:44 To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript BTW Dan, which image are you using exactly? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: I think this has to do with syntax highlighting or something like that (maybe Shout related), esp. with brackets auto inserting or wrapping. It doesn't happen in Core images, or my dev images generated from Core, but I saw it before in Dev images. HTH, Sven On 30 Dec 2010, at 17:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. > Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > I would love to know where they are generated from. > Stef > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > 18 19 > > 19 20 > > 22 29 > > 557 562 > > 570 571 > > 598 599 > > 514 515 > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > Dan > > >

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Mariano Martinez Peck

BTW Dan, which image are you using exactly? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > I think this has to do with syntax highlighting or something like that > (maybe Shout related), esp. with brackets auto inserting or wrapping. It > doesn't happen in Core images, or my dev images generated from Core, but I > saw it before in Dev images. > > HTH, > > Sven > > On 30 Dec 2010, at 17:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. > > Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint > (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > > I would love to know where they are generated from. > > Stef > > > > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my > doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > > > 18 19 > > > 19 20 > > > 22 29 > > > 557 562 > > > 570 571 > > > 598 599 > > > 514 515 > > > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > >

Dec. 30, 2010