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Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by horrido

> You can evangelize what you want but I would prefer if you have to evangelize, keep it to smalltalk and do not refer to pharo, not even with screenshots. Whoa! You want me to remove all references to Pharo in my smalltalk.tech.blog??? That would eliminate most of the current blog posts. It would hollow out the Resources page. And like I intimated before, it would utterly destroy my JRMPC competition. There would be no point in evangelizing Smalltalk anymore. Your position is completely unreasonable. I'll go further and say it's insane. I hope most Pharoers are not so extreme. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by phil＠highoctane.be

This is tiring. I like reading those blog posts. And Pharo is not exactly Smalltalk, so what? Syntax close enough, principles close enough. What is there to win in arguing about this point? I have been not using Pharo for a while commercially, because, well, Pharo is a hard sell to companies. Hence doing Scala, Java, and other "less productive" environments. But with Eclipse Collections, Java 8 feels quite close when coupled with something like IntelliJ Ultimate. >From where I stand this looks like a battle in kindergarten. Yawn. Phil á§ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 4:52 PM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The whole reason Pharo exists is to break free from the constraints of > other people's ideas of what Smalltalk is and should remain to be. > > Pharo is no more constrained by Smalltalk's legacy than GNU Smalltalk > (which > eschews the traditional IDE) and Hoot Smalltalk (a JVM-based Smalltalk with > unique enhancements) and Dolphin Smalltalk (which dares to be Windows-only) > are. > > Most Smalltalks have their own special enhancements thus making them less > and less compatible with "standard" Smalltalk. > > So I see no reason to worry about Pharo being shackled. I always advertise > Pharo as "a modern variant of Smalltalk created in 2008" which should > cement > the idea that Pharo is relevant today. I always compare Pharo to Clojure (a > modern variant of LISP) and Elixir (a modern variant of Erlang). > > Pharo is free to make great strides forward. As long as its "core" remains > Smalltalk, Pharo will always be a Smalltalk. No matter how much Pharo > evolves, it will never give up its core, which includes: > > 1. Alan Kay's pure and simple object-oriented conception. > > 2. The core syntax which is message-based and consists of three types of > messages. > > 3. The live coding environment. > > 4. Reflectivity and a powerful metaprogramming capability. > > I can't imagine a future where Pharo wouldn't have these defining > qualities. > Therefore, Pharo belongs in the Smalltalk family. > > And, btw, Sven, you are absolutely correct: Pharo is not Smalltalk. Because > Smalltalk is not one language but a family of languages. No one thing can > be > a family. > > However, Pharo is a Smalltalk. And this is undeniable. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by horrido

> The whole reason Pharo exists is to break free from the constraints of other people's ideas of what Smalltalk is and should remain to be. Pharo is no more constrained by Smalltalk's legacy than GNU Smalltalk (which eschews the traditional IDE) and Hoot Smalltalk (a JVM-based Smalltalk with unique enhancements) and Dolphin Smalltalk (which dares to be Windows-only) are. Most Smalltalks have their own special enhancements thus making them less and less compatible with "standard" Smalltalk. So I see no reason to worry about Pharo being shackled. I always advertise Pharo as "a modern variant of Smalltalk created in 2008" which should cement the idea that Pharo is relevant today. I always compare Pharo to Clojure (a modern variant of LISP) and Elixir (a modern variant of Erlang). Pharo is free to make great strides forward. As long as its "core" remains Smalltalk, Pharo will always be a Smalltalk. No matter how much Pharo evolves, it will never give up its core, which includes: 1. Alan Kay's pure and simple object-oriented conception. 2. The core syntax which is message-based and consists of three types of messages. 3. The live coding environment. 4. Reflectivity and a powerful metaprogramming capability. I can't imagine a future where Pharo wouldn't have these defining qualities. Therefore, Pharo belongs in the Smalltalk family. And, btw, Sven, you are absolutely correct: Pharo is not Smalltalk. Because Smalltalk is not one language but a family of languages. No one thing can be a family. However, Pharo is a Smalltalk. And this is undeniable. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 06.02.2020 um 14:45 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > > As I suggested earlier, my evangelism has been rather polarizing. There are a > lot of people like yourself who don't appreciate my efforts. There a lot of > people who do. > > For example, when I attended the FAST conference in Salta, many people > (Leandro Caniglia, Carlos Ferro, etc.) expressed their appreciation. Another > example, members of TSUG (Bob Nemec, Norman Branitsky, Dave Mason, etc.) > appreciate my efforts. I wonder, if I attended an ESUG conference, might I > find supporters, as well? > > At Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Quora, Medium, etc., there are many fans of > my evangelism. Amazingly, there are supporters on this forum, too! > > So how much weight should I give to your opinion? Should I now stop on your > say so? Make a convincing case and I shall drop everything. I shall > terminate JRMPC immediately and return all the money to LabWare (thereby > disappointing over 120 participating students). I shall delete > smalltalk.tech.blog <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/ <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/>> . I shall remove all my > existing blogs and videos about Smalltalk from Medium and YouTube. Perhaps > this will reverse the damage. > > I await your caseâ¦ > Sorry, I was not clear in the last mail. I can't and I won't tell you what you should do or not. You can evangelize what you want but I would prefer if you have to evangelize, keep it to smalltalk and do not refer to pharo, not even with screenshots. And it would be nice if you wouldn't misuse this community for your needs. You might have fans and everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But none of the people you mentioned I identify as member of this community. So it doesn't matter much to me. The weight of my opinion? That I don't know. But as a member of the pharo board it has enough weight to not be neglected. And with this weight I want to tell you that you are one of the major annoyances in this community. I hope it is more clear this time. regards, Norbert > > NorbertHartl wrote >>> Am 05.02.2020 um 20:41 schrieb horrido < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> >: >>> >>>> It is your initiative, you should know, nobody asked you to do it >>> >>> Well, that's a peculiar attitude. There are many, many programming >>> language >>> evangelists and I don't think anybody "asked" them to do it. They do it >>> for >>> the love of the language. >>> >>> I hear what you're saying, and I understand fully. I just don't agree >>> with >>> it entirely. >> >> I doubt that. >>> >>> I think it's short-sighted. Smalltalk has long been criticized for being >>> a >>> secluded island, and now you want to do the same for Pharo? Even as I try >>> to >>> build bridges to the island? >> >> Now, you just don't understand. We are being criticized for leaving the >> island. From where you stand it looks that Smalltalk would still exist and >> we are making an island in the sea of nothing. >>> >>> You could ban everybody from this forum who aren't focussed 100% on Pharo >>> and you'd have a much smaller community. You could ban everybody who is a >>> Smalltalker. The result is a much more tightly focussed forum, clean and >>> free from distractions. Fine. But what is the long-term cost? >>> >> You don't understand. We don't usually ban people but we should. And I >> don't care about the size of the community because the part of the >> community that does not focus on pharo is useless to us. Is that so hard >> to get? >> >>> Smalltalk evangelism would come to an end. Why? Because frankly nobody is >>> interested in the other Smalltalks. Pharo is where all the action is. >>> >> Yes, and it is for a reason. It is because we did a hard and good job the >> last 12 years. You just need to understand that this Smalltalk thing does >> not exist if it ever has. >> >>> And without Smalltalk evangelism, I don't see a path for Pharo becoming >>> more >>> than a niche language. Pharo doesn't show up an *any* language popularity >>> index. At least Clojure, Erlang/Elixir, and Haskell are in the top 30 in >>> several places. >>> >> And what kind of metric is that? And why the hell you think that Smalltalk >> evangelising can change that? I cannot imagine a single reason that makes >> that assumption hold. >> >>> At Indeed, there are 18 job postings in the United States that mention >>> Smalltalk, and none for Pharo. Even Clojure has 404, Erlang has 274, and >>> Haskell has 519, pathetic though these numbers are. >>> >> We are working on it. And if we do not succeed so be it. The one thing I'm >> sure is that you are not helping. >> >>> Yes, I also understand that there are many Pharoers who don't care about >>> remaining niche. That's a tragedy. >>> >> You really have to understand that IT changed since you've been active. >> Software is omnipresent today meaning it enters all areas of live. And >> most of these areas you can call a niche. Being mainstream does not make >> things better! >> >>> I would rather not have wasted the last five years of my life. >>> >> I'm sorry for you but you did. And in my opinion you should stop that >> because you do more harm than good. I know this just confirms you in >> ongoing but so be it. >> >> Norbert >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html>

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by TedVanGaalen

Dear Esteban, To make a long thread short: For users, your attitude/opinion implies the following facts: -if adhering to Pharo, then all the things one creates become increasingly incompatible with Smalltalk, because, in effect, you state that Pharo abandons/deviates from Smalltalk as a standard. So: -If a user wants to be productive: Why then should they write applications in a Pharo if one looses the compatibility with the rest of the Smalltalk world? (this is actually the REAL subject of this thread, not whether or not "dissonant" opinions causes list "pollution" imho) Btw, I am not exactly an "evangelist" with my ca. 2 or 3 "contributions" to this forum per year, so I am not exactly flooding the list, am I? (btw, most of my reactions to this list were about a 5 year old freeze-on-mac-at-full-screen-bug-since-Pharo-5.0 which still hasn't been repaired (VM problem i think)) However, I think this discussion is very important on a user level. which highly influences whether or not to use Pharo as a real tool for application development in a production environment or to regard it as some sort of academic hobby, standing on its own? But, don't worry, If you'd like to live on an island, you're free to do so. Also of course you are free to completely ignore and not having some initiative to at least try to standardize Smalltalk, which would benefit all of us! (user perspective) The latter btw goes for all Smalltalk incarnations alike, not only Pharo. Perfect example how to more or less doom a fantastic programming language/environment nowhere nothing found alike, by not talking, working together and reaching a consensus. (no matter how hard this can be at times, the smaller the islands become) Currently I won't recommend Pharo any further to new Smalltalk users because it puts them, without most of them realizing it, on an island with no boats to get them back to the real world. Never mind, just ignore me, as I am just a mere speck in the IT/Smalltalk world and of little significance I will now forget this whole thing, take a sunny walk along the Dordogne here, which, if it could talk, undoubtedly will confirm my question: "Pardon me, Dordogne, for asking: Are you a river? " with: "Huh? Yes of course I am, and indeed a beautiful one too, if I may say so! can't you see that?" The river is a lot wiser that me: it's only talk is the serene sound of eternal water flowing by and the wind playing with the leaves of trees surrounding it. I could learn a thing or two from that.. so can you.. Don't worry I will not react further on this. eat your own cake, I don't mind. Regards TedvG. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] About "it's not pharo but smalltalk"

by horrido

As I suggested earlier, my evangelism has been rather polarizing. There are a lot of people like yourself who don't appreciate my efforts. There a lot of people who do. For example, when I attended the FAST conference in Salta, many people (Leandro Caniglia, Carlos Ferro, etc.) expressed their appreciation. Another example, members of TSUG (Bob Nemec, Norman Branitsky, Dave Mason, etc.) appreciate my efforts. I wonder, if I attended an ESUG conference, might I find supporters, as well? At Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Quora, Medium, etc., there are many fans of my evangelism. Amazingly, there are supporters on this forum, too! So how much weight should I give to your opinion? Should I now stop on your say so? Make a convincing case and I shall drop everything. I shall terminate JRMPC immediately and return all the money to LabWare (thereby disappointing over 120 participating students). I shall delete smalltalk.tech.blog <https://smalltalk.tech.blog/> . I shall remove all my existing blogs and videos about Smalltalk from Medium and YouTube. Perhaps this will reverse the damage. I await your case... NorbertHartl wrote >> Am 05.02.2020 um 20:41 schrieb horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > >: >> >>> It is your initiative, you should know, nobody asked you to do it >> >> Well, that's a peculiar attitude. There are many, many programming >> language >> evangelists and I don't think anybody "asked" them to do it. They do it >> for >> the love of the language. >> >> I hear what you're saying, and I understand fully. I just don't agree >> with >> it entirely. > > I doubt that. >> >> I think it's short-sighted. Smalltalk has long been criticized for being >> a >> secluded island, and now you want to do the same for Pharo? Even as I try >> to >> build bridges to the island? > > Now, you just don't understand. We are being criticized for leaving the > island. From where you stand it looks that Smalltalk would still exist and > we are making an island in the sea of nothing. >> >> You could ban everybody from this forum who aren't focussed 100% on Pharo >> and you'd have a much smaller community. You could ban everybody who is a >> Smalltalker. The result is a much more tightly focussed forum, clean and >> free from distractions. Fine. But what is the long-term cost? >> > You don't understand. We don't usually ban people but we should. And I > don't care about the size of the community because the part of the > community that does not focus on pharo is useless to us. Is that so hard > to get? > >> Smalltalk evangelism would come to an end. Why? Because frankly nobody is >> interested in the other Smalltalks. Pharo is where all the action is. >> > Yes, and it is for a reason. It is because we did a hard and good job the > last 12 years. You just need to understand that this Smalltalk thing does > not exist if it ever has. > >> And without Smalltalk evangelism, I don't see a path for Pharo becoming >> more >> than a niche language. Pharo doesn't show up an *any* language popularity >> index. At least Clojure, Erlang/Elixir, and Haskell are in the top 30 in >> several places. >> > And what kind of metric is that? And why the hell you think that Smalltalk > evangelising can change that? I cannot imagine a single reason that makes > that assumption hold. > >> At Indeed, there are 18 job postings in the United States that mention >> Smalltalk, and none for Pharo. Even Clojure has 404, Erlang has 274, and >> Haskell has 519, pathetic though these numbers are. >> > We are working on it. And if we do not succeed so be it. The one thing I'm > sure is that you are not helping. > >> Yes, I also understand that there are many Pharoers who don't care about >> remaining niche. That's a tragedy. >> > You really have to understand that IT changed since you've been active. > Software is omnipresent today meaning it enters all areas of live. And > most of these areas you can call a niche. Being mainstream does not make > things better! > >> I would rather not have wasted the last five years of my life. >> > I'm sorry for you but you did. And in my opinion you should stop that > because you do more harm than good. I know this just confirms you in > ongoing but so be it. > > Norbert > >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 6, 2020

PolyMath v1.0.2 release

by Serge Stinckwich

Dear all, we are happy to announce the release of PolyMath 1.0.2, the computational framework for Pharo. This release works on Pharo 7.0 and Pharo 8.0. All the 815 tests and the CI are green on MacOs, Windows and Linux :-) Please find more information about the project here: https://github.com/PolyMathOrg/PolyMath Changelog of modifications since version 1.0.1 is available here: https://github.com/PolyMathOrg/PolyMath/milestone/4?closed=1 You can install the 1.0.2 version in a fresh Pharo 7.0&8.0 with the following code snippet: Metacello new repository: 'github://PolyMathOrg/PolyMath:v1.0.2/src'; baseline: 'PolyMath'; load You can join the dev team on #polymath channel for weekly meetings on Thursday. We are looking for more people for tests and contributions. I'm starting a small experiment. If you want to support me working on PolyMath or others of my project like Tensorflow Pharo bindings, you can be one of my github sponsors. Please give a monthly support here: https://github.com/sponsors/SergeStinckwich Regards, -- Serge Stinckwic h Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) Sorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD) U niversity of YaoundÃ© I, Cameroon "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo image processing library

by Serge Stinckwich

Great work Pablo ! Nice to see code examples of what you have done until now. Best, On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 3:26 AM Pablo Navarro <pablo1n7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone > > I put available my code for Image Form in GitHub ( > https://github.com/pablo1n7/ImageForm) This afternoon, I did the > operations with kernels :D. > > It's not 100% complete, I'm still working on it. I hope you find it useful > and any suggestion is welcomed > > Best Regards, Pablo. > El 25 de ene. de 2020 11:33 -0300, Oleksandr Zaitsev < > olk.zaytsev(a)gmail.com>, escribiÃ³: > > Hello Pablo, > > Is the code of your library available on GitHub? > Could you share the link please? > > Oleks > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > -- Serge Stinckwic âhâ Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) âSorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD)â U âniversity of YaoundÃ© Iâ, Cameroon "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich â

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Promoting Pharo

by Benoit St-Jean

Really sorry for the tone of my last reply Norbert...Â But I've had my share of "get the fuck out of this list" private emails tonight... Truly sorry. :( On 2020-02-06 06:33, Norbert Hartl wrote: > > >> Am 06.02.2020 um 12:22 schrieb Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com>: >> >> ï»¿ >> >> I don't mind doing 1, 2 and 3 but you'd probably complain that if I >> do 2 and 3, you'll find my interview "too smalltalkish"Â for your own >> taste...Â ;) >> > Please do! It is not important if it is to my taste or not. Why should > it? If you do it you decide how it is done. That is exactly what we > always try to explain. A community lives from its contributors and its > shape is defined by whom contributes. Proposing work that someone else > should do does not work. >> >> Unless you want to provide me with your official text that I'll just >> read? >> > No, I donât want to do and it wasnât my proposal. > > Norbert >> >> On 2020-02-06 06:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> Are the numbers the order in which you will do it? >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 06.02.2020 um 11:37 schrieb Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users >>>> <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>>: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Von: *Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> >>>> *Betreff: **Promoting Pharo* >>>> *Datum: *6. Februar 2020 um 11:37:00 MEZ >>>> *An: *Any question about pharo is welcome >>>> <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Some rough & simple ideas... >>>> >>>> 1) Make Pharo visible on Rosetta.org <http://Rosetta.org> >>>> >>>> There is currently 1006 tasks (mini projects) implemented in 764 >>>> programming languages. Pharo is nowhere to be seen there, besides >>>> the programming language entry on the wiki for Pharo still points >>>> to pharo-project.org <http://pharo-project.org>. This project has >>>> the advantage of exposing programming languages with small >>>> tasks/problems any newbie can work on.Â You always have the option >>>> to compare how it's done in your favorite language with the one >>>> you're trying to learn. Rosetta.org <http://Rosetta.org> is often a >>>> useful and popular source for people wanting to learn a new >>>> programming language by starting with some simple problems. >>>> >>>> http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code >>>> >>>> 2) Hacker Public Radio (aka HPR) >>>> >>>> This podcast has a big audience and lots of loyal followers. Anyone >>>> can create a podcast and upload it there for broadcast. Normally, >>>> 99% the podcasts are related to computer science, programming and >>>> technology.Â It is a well-known and respected podcast as they have >>>> already created over 3000 podcasts already (it's a daily podcast)! >>>> They are very flexible on what you can talk about and pretty lax on >>>> the format : as long as you talk about something you love and that >>>> could interested other, it's fine with them! >>>> >>>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/ >>>> >>>> 3) FLOSS Weekly >>>> >>>> Another well-known podcast with lots of listeners! They've already >>>> covered Squeak and Seaside (long ago) but they haven't talked about >>>> Pharo yet. Randall (Schwartz) is always looking for new guests and >>>> new subjects so I'm pretty sure having a podcast about Pharo would >>>> be easy and quick! >>>> >>>> https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly >>>> >>>> 4) CLBG >>>> >>>> The Computer Language Benchmark Game is another good place to get >>>> exposure. BUT I suggest we wait a bit before publishing code there >>>> as, obviously, we won't get good numbers as compared to other >>>> languages...Â Let's wait for Pablo to finish his threading stuff in >>>> the VM first...Â ;) >>>> >>>> https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/index.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ----------------- >>>> BenoÃ®t St-Jean >>>> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >>>> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >>>> Pinterest: benoitstjean >>>> Instagram: Chef_Benito >>>> IRC: lamneth >>>> GitHub: bstjean >>>> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com >>>> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". Â (A. >>>> Einstein) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- >> ----------------- >> BenoÃ®t St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >> Pinterest: benoitstjean >> Instagram: Chef_Benito >> IRC: lamneth >> GitHub: bstjean >> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com >> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) -- ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Feb. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Promoting Pharo

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 06.02.2020 um 12:22 schrieb Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com>: > > ï»¿ > I don't mind doing 1, 2 and 3 but you'd probably complain that if I do 2 and 3, you'll find my interview "too smalltalkish" for your own taste... ;) > Please do! It is not important if it is to my taste or not. Why should it? If you do it you decide how it is done. That is exactly what we always try to explain. A community lives from its contributors and its shape is defined by whom contributes. Proposing work that someone else should do does not work. > Unless you want to provide me with your official text that I'll just read? > No, I donât want to do and it wasnât my proposal. Norbert > On 2020-02-06 06:12, Norbert Hartl wrote: >> Are the numbers the order in which you will do it? >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 06.02.2020 um 11:37 schrieb Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: >>> >>> >>> Von: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> >>> Betreff: Promoting Pharo >>> Datum: 6. Februar 2020 um 11:37:00 MEZ >>> An: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> >>> >>> >>> Some rough & simple ideas... >>> >>> 1) Make Pharo visible on Rosetta.org >>> >>> There is currently 1006 tasks (mini projects) implemented in 764 programming languages. Pharo is nowhere to be seen there, besides the programming language entry on the wiki for Pharo still points to pharo-project.org. This project has the advantage of exposing programming languages with small tasks/problems any newbie can work on. You always have the option to compare how it's done in your favorite language with the one you're trying to learn. Rosetta.org is often a useful and popular source for people wanting to learn a new programming language by starting with some simple problems. >>> >>> http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code >>> >>> 2) Hacker Public Radio (aka HPR) >>> >>> This podcast has a big audience and lots of loyal followers. Anyone can create a podcast and upload it there for broadcast. Normally, 99% the podcasts are related to computer science, programming and technology. It is a well-known and respected podcast as they have already created over 3000 podcasts already (it's a daily podcast)! They are very flexible on what you can talk about and pretty lax on the format : as long as you talk about something you love and that could interested other, it's fine with them! >>> >>> http://hackerpublicradio.org/ >>> >>> 3) FLOSS Weekly >>> >>> Another well-known podcast with lots of listeners! They've already covered Squeak and Seaside (long ago) but they haven't talked about Pharo yet. Randall (Schwartz) is always looking for new guests and new subjects so I'm pretty sure having a podcast about Pharo would be easy and quick! >>> >>> https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly >>> >>> 4) CLBG >>> >>> The Computer Language Benchmark Game is another good place to get exposure. BUT I suggest we wait a bit before publishing code there as, obviously, we won't get good numbers as compared to other languages... Let's wait for Pablo to finish his threading stuff in the VM first... ;) >>> >>> https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/index.html >>> >>> -- >>> ----------------- >>> BenoÃ®t St-Jean >>> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >>> Twitter: @BenLeChialeux >>> Pinterest: benoitstjean >>> Instagram: Chef_Benito >>> IRC: lamneth >>> GitHub: bstjean >>> Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com >>> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- > ----------------- > BenoÃ®t St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > GitHub: bstjean > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Feb. 6, 2020