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Re: [Pharo-users] Last pending things for Pharo 1.2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So....here is the list of things I guess are pending: > > 1) "Release" all configurations included in Pharo (this is, > ConfigurationOfPharo and all it dependencies). I mean, we should NOT use or > depend on #development versions. > so...can someone check this is done? GUillermo and me did it once...but it seems a lot of stuff was updated once again > 2) Update the one click image to use latest cog images and "pharo prepared > vms". There are some issues regarding this... > Marcus, which is the status of this one ? > 3) Write down all the things/summary done in Pharo 1.2 > consider as done in nobody else comes with something better, > 5) Update SystemVersion current -->> Pharo1.2rc2 of 27 January 2011 update > 12340 > SystemVersion current ->> Pharo1.2.1 of 2 April 2011 update 12345 so..it is ok, isn't it ? can we forget this item ? > 6) Condense sources? condense changes? #cleanUpForRelease > > Marcus, is that necessary ? DEVImageCreator >> cleanUps ScriptLoader new cleanUpForRelease. "In Pharo 1.1 condenseChanges is VERY slow because of the new method trailers. So condensingChanges each time even when it is not needed is not a good idea anymore. So in case a condenseChanges is needed it should be done explicitly. Smalltalk condenseChanges." Smalltalk garbageCollect. I did that and I put that comment. Now that they are faster and that we have Hudson, should I put back the Smalltalk condenseChanges ? is there anything else needed? do we need a condenseSources ? -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Critics for unloaded projects

by AxiNat

Hi Mariano, thanks, but I had already checked that discussion. The bundle that Esteban provided didn't work, quoting Stef: Thanks a lot I copied in the resources folder of 5.7.4 It crashes. Also, the thread was about it not working on MacOS (it made sense, it's an X11 control plugin), but I'm on Debian Linux. The only XDisplayControlPlugin I can find around is provided by the squeaksource pagage XDCP, but loading it fixes nothing either... 2011/4/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=12948… > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:34 PM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> when trying Mariano's idea I get the following error: >> >> *forkSqueak requires XDisplayControlPlugin* >> * >> * >> *Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the >> operation.* >> >> >> Do I need to recompile the VM to add support for this plugin? If so, are >> there any guidelines around on how to do it? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bernat. >> >> 2011/4/4 AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Lukas, if that happened anytime soon it would make my life much easier >>> hehe >>> >>> Is there a way I could help to give it a boost? >>> >>> Mariano, the reason I cannot load the package is that it may contain >>> (either intentionally or not) harmful code. An .st file can contain >>> arbitrary code that is going to be executed at load time, so it'd be really >>> easy to hack the image: "Object compile: 'new'!", for instance ;) >>> >>> The solution you propose looks interesting, but I'm not sure I've >>> completely understood it. Do you mean to run a new image, send it the >>> project file to be filed in, have it run the critics on the loaded package, >>> and get the output back to the original image? If so, that's a solution I've >>> been thinking of, but it would spend too many resources. Even though I could >>> always use a very light image, if only 5 users were to be working on the app >>> at the same time I'm afraid the system would begin to suffer :( >>> >>> On a second thought, is there some smaller, simpler implementation of the >>> SmallLint package? I wouldn't need to run all the tests, just a couple of >>> them: Bugs, Intention Revealing, Miscelaneous and Unnecessary Code, and >>> actually not even all the tests in these categories. >>> >>> Thanks a lot, I'm all ears :) >>> >>> Bernat. >>> >>> 2011/4/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Is not enough loading the classes but not showing them in the browser ? >>>> or maybe not putting them in Smalltalk ? >>>> >>>> can you do kind of a fork (using OSProcess) of the proccess running >>>> image which receives a .st file and in the new forked image you pass the .st >>>> in startup, do a file in and then run code-critics? >>>> >>>> I am curious why you cannot load them hehehehhe >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi list, >>>>> >>>>> I have a pretty special need, which is to be able to run code critics >>>>> on projects that have not yet been loaded into the image. For example, I >>>>> need to browse an st file -or a squeaksource project- and before loading it >>>>> I want to run critics on it, would this be possible somehow? >>>>> >>>>> If it looks like something noone would need to do, I understand. It's >>>>> just that the project I'm working on is pretty particular... I've been >>>>> exploring other possibilities but I'm afraid this is one of the few left for >>>>> me to think of :( >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Do we want this for Pharo 1.2 and futures?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Discussion finished. Marcus, can we add in the PharoDev images a installScript.st with the code that was executed to generate the image? yes, the ConfigurationOfPharo load.... On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Miguel CobÃ¡ <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> wrote: > installScript definitely yes. > > changelog is useful if it is accurate and maintained else better avoid > it. Packages I never found a reason for it to be in the zip. not very > useful for newbies because they don't now what a package is based only > in the name and for a experimented user, they can find the packages > directly in the image. > > So, I think that they won't be missing. > > Cheers > > El sÃ¡b, 12-03-2011 a las 20:13 +0100, Mariano Martinez Peck escribiÃ³: > > In Pharo 1.0 and 1.1 I used to include certain files in addition to > > the .image and .changes. These files were: changelog.txt, > > installScript.st and packages.txt > > So...what do you think? are they (still) useful ? if true, then we > > should add it to hudson. If not, we just ignore it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mariano > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Critics for unloaded projects

by Mariano Martinez Peck

http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=12948… On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:34 PM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi again, > > when trying Mariano's idea I get the following error: > > *forkSqueak requires XDisplayControlPlugin* > * > * > *Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation. > * > > > Do I need to recompile the VM to add support for this plugin? If so, are > there any guidelines around on how to do it? > > Thanks! > > Bernat. > > 2011/4/4 AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > >> Lukas, if that happened anytime soon it would make my life much easier >> hehe >> >> Is there a way I could help to give it a boost? >> >> Mariano, the reason I cannot load the package is that it may contain >> (either intentionally or not) harmful code. An .st file can contain >> arbitrary code that is going to be executed at load time, so it'd be really >> easy to hack the image: "Object compile: 'new'!", for instance ;) >> >> The solution you propose looks interesting, but I'm not sure I've >> completely understood it. Do you mean to run a new image, send it the >> project file to be filed in, have it run the critics on the loaded package, >> and get the output back to the original image? If so, that's a solution I've >> been thinking of, but it would spend too many resources. Even though I could >> always use a very light image, if only 5 users were to be working on the app >> at the same time I'm afraid the system would begin to suffer :( >> >> On a second thought, is there some smaller, simpler implementation of the >> SmallLint package? I wouldn't need to run all the tests, just a couple of >> them: Bugs, Intention Revealing, Miscelaneous and Unnecessary Code, and >> actually not even all the tests in these categories. >> >> Thanks a lot, I'm all ears :) >> >> Bernat. >> >> 2011/4/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Is not enough loading the classes but not showing them in the browser ? >>> or maybe not putting them in Smalltalk ? >>> >>> can you do kind of a fork (using OSProcess) of the proccess running >>> image which receives a .st file and in the new forked image you pass the .st >>> in startup, do a file in and then run code-critics? >>> >>> I am curious why you cannot load them hehehehhe >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi list, >>>> >>>> I have a pretty special need, which is to be able to run code critics on >>>> projects that have not yet been loaded into the image. For example, I need >>>> to browse an st file -or a squeaksource project- and before loading it I >>>> want to run critics on it, would this be possible somehow? >>>> >>>> If it looks like something noone would need to do, I understand. It's >>>> just that the project I'm working on is pretty particular... I've been >>>> exploring other possibilities but I'm afraid this is one of the few left for >>>> me to think of :( >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance! >>>> >>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Critics for unloaded projects

by AxiNat

Hi again, when trying Mariano's idea I get the following error: *forkSqueak requires XDisplayControlPlugin* * * *Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation.* Do I need to recompile the VM to add support for this plugin? If so, are there any guidelines around on how to do it? Thanks! Bernat. 2011/4/4 AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > Lukas, if that happened anytime soon it would make my life much easier hehe > > Is there a way I could help to give it a boost? > > Mariano, the reason I cannot load the package is that it may contain > (either intentionally or not) harmful code. An .st file can contain > arbitrary code that is going to be executed at load time, so it'd be really > easy to hack the image: "Object compile: 'new'!", for instance ;) > > The solution you propose looks interesting, but I'm not sure I've > completely understood it. Do you mean to run a new image, send it the > project file to be filed in, have it run the critics on the loaded package, > and get the output back to the original image? If so, that's a solution I've > been thinking of, but it would spend too many resources. Even though I could > always use a very light image, if only 5 users were to be working on the app > at the same time I'm afraid the system would begin to suffer :( > > On a second thought, is there some smaller, simpler implementation of the > SmallLint package? I wouldn't need to run all the tests, just a couple of > them: Bugs, Intention Revealing, Miscelaneous and Unnecessary Code, and > actually not even all the tests in these categories. > > Thanks a lot, I'm all ears :) > > Bernat. > > 2011/4/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > >> Is not enough loading the classes but not showing them in the browser ? or >> maybe not putting them in Smalltalk ? >> >> can you do kind of a fork (using OSProcess) of the proccess running image >> which receives a .st file and in the new forked image you pass the .st in >> startup, do a file in and then run code-critics? >> >> I am curious why you cannot load them hehehehhe >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I have a pretty special need, which is to be able to run code critics on >>> projects that have not yet been loaded into the image. For example, I need >>> to browse an st file -or a squeaksource project- and before loading it I >>> want to run critics on it, would this be possible somehow? >>> >>> If it looks like something noone would need to do, I understand. It's >>> just that the project I'm working on is pretty particular... I've been >>> exploring other possibilities but I'm afraid this is one of the few left for >>> me to think of :( >>> >>> Thanks a lot in advance! >>> >>> Bernat Romagosa. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing to the std output

by Marcus Denker

On Apr 4, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 April 2011 13:55, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You have to add a new primitive I think ... > > > > there was a discussion about adding it to Cog VMs.. but i don't know details. > It could be there out of the box... just need to find it :) > > > I don't know why I remember some Cog extensions in StandardFileStream or something like that that could directly write to the standard output...but maybe I am just dreaming. > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3669 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3241 > Anyway wouldn't OSProcess do the job? > yes -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing to the std output

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 April 2011 13:55, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > You have to add a new primitive I think ... > > > > there was a discussion about adding it to Cog VMs.. but i don't know > details. > It could be there out of the box... just need to find it :) > > I don't know why I remember some Cog extensions in StandardFileStream or something like that that could directly write to the standard output...but maybe I am just dreaming. Anyway wouldn't OSProcess do the job? > > Ben > > > > On Apr 3, 2011, at 10:14 PM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > > > > Hi Hernan, I am know the Transcript and it not what I need. I need to > > integrate some my Smalltalk stuff other application, to more specific, I > > have an application that will call Smalltalk to perform certain > operations > > and then the calling application needs to know the result of the > operations. > > I could implement this using a file, but I want to avoid files if > possible, > > that is why I want to write to the standard output. > > Saludos! > > Nico. > > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hola Nico, > >> > >> The "standard output" in most Smalltalks is usually considered the > >> Transcript. You may use it in a method like this: > >> > >> >>log: aString > >> " Write aString to the transcript streamer " > >> > >> Transcript cr; > >> show: TimeStamp current; > >> space; > >> show: aString > >> > >> is that useful to you? > >> > >> Saludos > >> > >> > >> 2011/4/3 NicolÃ¡s Paez <nicopaez(a)gmail.com>: > >> > Hi, I need start my image, run a script and write some messages to the > >> > standard output. > >> > is there a way of writing to standard output? > >> > > >> > Saludos! > >> > Nico. > >> > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> HernÃ¡n Morales > >> Information Technology Manager, > >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >> Internal: 422 > >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing to the std output

by Igor Stasenko

On 4 April 2011 13:55, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You have to add a new primitive I think ... > there was a discussion about adding it to Cog VMs.. but i don't know details. It could be there out of the box... just need to find it :) > Ben > > On Apr 3, 2011, at 10:14 PM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > > Hi Hernan, I am know the Transcript and it not what I need. I need to > integrate some my Smalltalk stuff other application, to more specific, I > have an application that will call Smalltalk to perform certain operations > and then the calling application needs to know the result of the operations. > I could implement this using a file, but I want to avoid files if possible, > that is why I want to write to the standard output. > Saludos! > Nico. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hola Nico, >> >> The "standard output" in most Smalltalks is usually considered the >> Transcript. You may use it in a method like this: >> >> >>log: aString >> Â Â Â Â " Write aString to the transcript streamer " >> >> Â Â Â Â Transcript cr; >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â show: TimeStamp current; >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â space; >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â show: aString >> >> is that useful to you? >> >> Saludos >> >> >> 2011/4/3 NicolÃ¡s Paez <nicopaez(a)gmail.com>: >> > Hi, I need start my image, run a script and write some messages to the >> > standard output. >> > is there a way of writing to standard output? >> > >> > Saludos! >> > Nico. >> > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> Information Technology Manager, >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> Internal: 422 >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing to the std output

by Benjamin

You have to add a new primitive I think ... Ben On Apr 3, 2011, at 10:14 PM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > Hi Hernan, I am know the Transcript and it not what I need. I need to integrate some my Smalltalk stuff other application, to more specific, I have an application that will call Smalltalk to perform certain operations and then the calling application needs to know the result of the operations. I could implement this using a file, but I want to avoid files if possible, that is why I want to write to the standard output. > > Saludos! > Nico. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hola Nico, > > The "standard output" in most Smalltalks is usually considered the > Transcript. You may use it in a method like this: > > >>log: aString > " Write aString to the transcript streamer " > > Transcript cr; > show: TimeStamp current; > space; > show: aString > > is that useful to you? > > Saludos > > > 2011/4/3 NicolÃ¡s Paez <nicopaez(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, I need start my image, run a script and write some messages to the > > standard output. > > is there a way of writing to standard output? > > > > Saludos! > > Nico. > > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > > > > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Information Technology Manager, > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >

April 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Critics for unloaded projects

by AxiNat

Lukas, if that happened anytime soon it would make my life much easier hehe Is there a way I could help to give it a boost? Mariano, the reason I cannot load the package is that it may contain (either intentionally or not) harmful code. An .st file can contain arbitrary code that is going to be executed at load time, so it'd be really easy to hack the image: "Object compile: 'new'!", for instance ;) The solution you propose looks interesting, but I'm not sure I've completely understood it. Do you mean to run a new image, send it the project file to be filed in, have it run the critics on the loaded package, and get the output back to the original image? If so, that's a solution I've been thinking of, but it would spend too many resources. Even though I could always use a very light image, if only 5 users were to be working on the app at the same time I'm afraid the system would begin to suffer :( On a second thought, is there some smaller, simpler implementation of the SmallLint package? I wouldn't need to run all the tests, just a couple of them: Bugs, Intention Revealing, Miscelaneous and Unnecessary Code, and actually not even all the tests in these categories. Thanks a lot, I'm all ears :) Bernat. 2011/4/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Is not enough loading the classes but not showing them in the browser ? or > maybe not putting them in Smalltalk ? > > can you do kind of a fork (using OSProcess) of the proccess running image > which receives a .st file and in the new forked image you pass the .st in > startup, do a file in and then run code-critics? > > I am curious why you cannot load them hehehehhe > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, AxiNat <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I have a pretty special need, which is to be able to run code critics on >> projects that have not yet been loaded into the image. For example, I need >> to browse an st file -or a squeaksource project- and before loading it I >> want to run critics on it, would this be possible somehow? >> >> If it looks like something noone would need to do, I understand. It's just >> that the project I'm working on is pretty particular... I've been exploring >> other possibilities but I'm afraid this is one of the few left for me to >> think of :( >> >> Thanks a lot in advance! >> >> Bernat Romagosa. >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

April 4, 2011