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Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Pavel Krivanek

so 8. 2. 2020 v 23:33 odesÃlatel horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> napsal: > So this forum is only for Pharo newcomers who have questions? Seems rather > limiting. > > When I join other language forums, I look for information about the > language > I'm investigating as a newcomer. This can include the language's > capabilities, limitations, real-world usage, new tools, philosophical > basis, > and so on. General information across a broad spectrum of topics. > > And, yes, even trivia and factoids that I might find interesting. I > appreciate that you don't find this interesting, but other forum visitors > may. > > If the Pharo users forum wants to, it could do something as draconian as > StackOverflow does: put a tight leash on submitted questions and boot out > everybody who doesn't comply. This is one reason I don't go to > StackOverflow > very often â they aren't welcoming to people who just want to learn general > things. > > I've told my readers that the Pharo users forum is welcoming. Please don't > make a liar out of me. > We do not need to make a liar out of you. See your old e-mails: *So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'mtrying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I haveto exaggerate, I will do so.Has everybody heard of Smalltalk? Of course not. And it doesn't matter. I'mtaking /literary licence/. As a writer and a marketer, I am allowed to dothis.* -- Pavel Guillermo Polito wrote > > Hi Richard, > > > > Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic > > messages in the future. > > > > This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse > any > > kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). > > Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about > > Pharo. > > So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. > > > > I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic > > messages. > > And this only chases off this list people really interested about the > main > > topic of the list (like me). > > > > Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs > > another channel? > > I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of > > this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: > > https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > > < > https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org> > > > > Thanks for your comprehension, > > Guille > > > >> El 8 feb 2020, a las 19:12, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > > escribiÃ³: > >> > >> Round 1 â #1 Leading Team: https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ > >> <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ> > >> > >> I'm actually quite amazed by their effort. They surpassed my > >> expectations. > >> > >> At the risk of sounding immodest, I think this is a terrific way to > >> promote Smalltalk (Pharo). I think the video is an absolute blast. > >> > >> Richard > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] NeoJSONParseError: invalid input: ' while parsing a Wikipedia exported article.

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, My hypothesis was closer to Erik's but I thought that being a JSON taken from Wikimedia API, it should be correct. I didn't realize that I converted it to STON to preserve line breaks and improve diff friendliness. After using `STON fromString:` as advised by Peter, everything worked well. Thanks everyone for their timely "wisdom nuggets". I learned a little by with each message here. Cheers, Offray On 8/02/20 5:35 a.Â m., Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Hi, > > Like Erik says the input is indeed illegal JSON. JSON strings are delimited using double quotes not single quotes. There is no way around this, this is not optional. > > As Peter says, STON is more flexible. STON itself uses single quotes to be closer to Smalltalk. STON in its JSON compatibility mode does also recognise double quotes. So the class STONReader supports both, without further configuration. > > Sven > >> On 8 Feb 2020, at 10:34, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Offray >> >> I have a workaround, not an explanation. I don't use NeoJSON, because for me the JSON facilities of STON are sufficient. So I tried you script with 'NeoJSONReader fromString:' replaced by 'STON fromString:' - everything worked perfectly, no parsing error. So clearly there is nothing wrong with your input file. If you have STON installed, or think it worth installing, this could get you moving. >> >> HTH >> >> Peter Kenny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >> Sent: 08 February 2020 07:38 >> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: [Pharo-users] NeoJSONParseError: invalid input: ' while parsing a Wikipedia exported article. >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to read the contents of a Wikipedia article that was exported from there using Wikipedias JSON API. >> >> The script I'm trying is: >> >> NeoJSONReader fromString: >> 'https://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/pharopedia/doc/tip/docs/wikipedia.org/wiki…' >> asUrl retrieveContents utf8Decoded >> >> But I get "NeoJSONParseError: invalid input: '". As far as I can tell, the file at [1] seems like valid JSON, as is the one that Wikipedia API exports >> >> [1] >> 'https://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/pharopedia/doc/tip/docs/wikipedia.org/wiki…' >> >> Could anybody point me to a solution? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Offray >> >> >> >

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by horrido

Self-promotion??? I generally dislike inserting myself personally into Smalltalk advocacy. My campaign is all about Smalltalk; I'm just the vehicle. If you're referring to my comment "at the risk of sounding immodest," I am rightfully proud of my video. It does a damn good job of promoting Pharo. Beyond that, however, I don't ever want this campaign to be about me. So what self-promotion are you referring to? As for "content-free," the video is good content, at least, from the perspective of marketing. Of course, you wouldn't think it was valid content if you don't believe in marketing Pharo, a sentiment that I think is unfortunately shared by many in this forum. Pierce Ng-3 wrote > On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 05:50:18PM -0500, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users > wrote: >> MAYBE we need another list... > > Maybe Richard just needs to adjust the style of his mails... > >> This is getting ridiculous!Â The guy spends energy, time, effort and is >> able >> to gather 13K in prizes and puts Pharo to the forefront with this cool >> contest in schools, makes a lot of youngsters learn & use Pharo for their >> projects, puts up a website, makes videos, writes blog posts, PROMOTES >> Pharo >> and he gets slapped for posting here ?!?!Â WTF ??? > > Like if the subject of Richard's mail is "Pharo success story part 3: > blah blah" and his opening paragraph is descriptive, similar to what you > wrote above, I'd read the mail and watch the video. As it is, his mail > is content-free and comes across purely as self-promotion. > > Pierce -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Pierce Ng

On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 05:50:18PM -0500, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users wrote: > MAYBE we need another list... Maybe Richard just needs to adjust the style of his mails... > This is getting ridiculous!Â The guy spends energy, time, effort and is able > to gather 13K in prizes and puts Pharo to the forefront with this cool > contest in schools, makes a lot of youngsters learn & use Pharo for their > projects, puts up a website, makes videos, writes blog posts, PROMOTES Pharo > and he gets slapped for posting here ?!?!Â WTF ??? Like if the subject of Richard's mail is "Pharo success story part 3: blah blah" and his opening paragraph is descriptive, similar to what you wrote above, I'd read the mail and watch the video. As it is, his mail is content-free and comes across purely as self-promotion. Pierce

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Benoit St-Jean

I guess I have to re-ask again since nobody answered my question from this week... Where can we post Pharo questions/remarks/thoughts/you-might-want-to-have-a-look-at-this-cool-idea/whatever (or anything that could be of any interest to Pharoers) ? MAYBE we need another list... This is getting ridiculous!Â The guy spends energy, time, effort and is able to gather 13K in prizes and puts Pharo to the forefront with this cool contest in schools, makes a lot of youngsters learn & use Pharo for their projects, puts up a website, makes videos, writes blog posts, PROMOTES Pharo and he gets slapped for posting here ?!?!Â WTF ??? Where should he post?Â Where should I post ? On 2020-02-08 17:35, Guillermo Polito wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic > messages in the future. > -- ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Feb. 8, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Guillermo Polito

Hi Richard, Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic messages in the future. This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse any kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about Pharo. So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic messages. And this only chases off this list people really interested about the main topic of the list (like me). Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs another channel? I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org Thanks for your comprehension, Guille > El 8 feb 2020, a las 23:33, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > So this forum is only for Pharo newcomers who have questions? Seems rather > limiting. > > When I join other language forums, I look for information about the language > I'm investigating as a newcomer. This can include the language's > capabilities, limitations, real-world usage, new tools, philosophical basis, > and so on. General information across a broad spectrum of topics. > > And, yes, even trivia and factoids that I might find interesting. I > appreciate that you don't find this interesting, but other forum visitors > may. > > If the Pharo users forum wants to, it could do something as draconian as > StackOverflow does: put a tight leash on submitted questions and boot out > everybody who doesn't comply. This is one reason I don't go to StackOverflow > very often â they aren't welcoming to people who just want to learn general > things. > > I've told my readers that the Pharo users forum is welcoming. Please don't > make a liar out of me. > > > > Guillermo Polito wrote >> Hi Richard, >> >> Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic >> messages in the future. >> >> This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse any >> kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). >> Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about >> Pharo. >> So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. >> >> I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic >> messages. >> And this only chases off this list people really interested about the main >> topic of the list (like me). >> >> Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs >> another channel? >> I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of >> this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: >> https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org >> <https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org&gt <https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org&gt>; >> >> Thanks for your comprehension, >> Guille >> >>> El 8 feb 2020, a las 19:12, Richard Kenneth Eng < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > escribiÃ³: >>> >>> Round 1 â #1 Leading Team: https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ> >>> <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ&gt <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ&gt>; >>> >>> I'm actually quite amazed by their effort. They surpassed my >>> expectations. >>> >>> At the risk of sounding immodest, I think this is a terrific way to >>> promote Smalltalk (Pharo). I think the video is an absolute blast. >>> >>> Richard > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html>

Feb. 8, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by horrido

So this forum is only for Pharo newcomers who have questions? Seems rather limiting. When I join other language forums, I look for information about the language I'm investigating as a newcomer. This can include the language's capabilities, limitations, real-world usage, new tools, philosophical basis, and so on. General information across a broad spectrum of topics. And, yes, even trivia and factoids that I might find interesting. I appreciate that you don't find this interesting, but other forum visitors may. If the Pharo users forum wants to, it could do something as draconian as StackOverflow does: put a tight leash on submitted questions and boot out everybody who doesn't comply. This is one reason I don't go to StackOverflow very often â they aren't welcoming to people who just want to learn general things. I've told my readers that the Pharo users forum is welcoming. Please don't make a liar out of me. Guillermo Polito wrote > Hi Richard, > > Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic > messages in the future. > > This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse any > kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). > Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about > Pharo. > So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. > > I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic > messages. > And this only chases off this list people really interested about the main > topic of the list (like me). > > Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs > another channel? > I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of > this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: > https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > <https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org> > > Thanks for your comprehension, > Guille > >> El 8 feb 2020, a las 19:12, Richard Kenneth Eng < > horrido.hobbies@ > > escribiÃ³: >> >> Round 1 â #1 Leading Team: https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ >> <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ> >> >> I'm actually quite amazed by their effort. They surpassed my >> expectations. >> >> At the risk of sounding immodest, I think this is a terrific way to >> promote Smalltalk (Pharo). I think the video is an absolute blast. >> >> Richard -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Feb. 8, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Richard Sargent

I've found this topic both interesting and upsetting at times. I do understand the desire to address Pharo issues without getting sidetracked by other topics. However, this particular thread started as a Pharo user's success story. Didn't it? Isn't Pharo the implementation used for the contest? Are all success stories to be banned as a consequence, intended or otherwise? On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 11:24 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic > messages in the future. > > This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse any > kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). > Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about > Pharo. > So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. > > I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic > messages. > And this only chases off this list people really interested about the main > topic of the list (like me). > > Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs > another channel? > I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of > this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: > https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > > Thanks for your comprehension, > Guille > > El 8 feb 2020, a las 19:12, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> > escribiÃ³: > > Round 1 â #1 Leading Team: https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ > > I'm actually quite amazed by their effort. They surpassed my expectations. > > At the risk of sounding immodest, I think this is a terrific way to > promote Smalltalk (Pharo). I think the video is an absolute blast. > > Richard > > >

Feb. 8, 2020

Setting a model for a Spec UI in Pharo 8

by Bren

ï»¿Hi Pharo friends, TL;DR: How should one open a presenter on a user-specified model? Is SpPresenterWithModel>>setAnnouncingObject: missing a call to modelChanged? The long version: I am trying to write a UI for my threat modeling tool using Spec in Pharo 8. I had trouble getting my first presenter to show me my model. My current VERY WIP tiny code is available from git@github.com:octotrike/groundhog.git, on branch pharo-sp-presenter-question. I wanted to do something like this (paraphrased from the class comment for my BLFunctionPresenter class): BLFunctionPresenter new model: aModel; openWithSpec Unfortunately, the UI continued to show the default announcingObject (nil), even though announcingObject had changed as expected. The examples I found showed either - a containing presenter getting an event, changing instance variables on a presenter it contains, and sending modelChanged, or - a presenter hard coded to show a model that is globally accessible. In the end, I added self modelChanged to the end of SpPresenterWithModel>>setAnnouncingObject:. It seemed like this method changed announcingObject and registered this presenter to receive modelChanged every time changes to the announcingObject occurred. However, in cases like the one I am describing, the change is replacement of the entire announcingObject, so no announcingObject sends modelChanged. Was/is this a bug in Spec? Or is there something else I should be doing to open a Spec UI on a model that is neither global nor specified by a parent presenter? Bren

Feb. 8, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] The results are in!

by Guillermo Polito

Hi Richard, Iâd like to invite you to refrain yourself from posting such off-topic messages in the future. This list is for people to *ask* questions about Pharo. Not to diffuse any kind of propaganda (pharo related or not). Youâre not asking a question about Pharo, nor answering a question about Pharo. So I personally find all these emails off-topic and uninteresting. I have the feeling this list has been lately flooded with such off-topic messages. And this only chases off this list people really interested about the main topic of the list (like me). Maybe this shows this competition / PR campaign youâre running needs another channel? I know you donât agree, but I invite you to read here the **purpose** of this list, just for respect to people subscribed to it: https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org <https://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org> Thanks for your comprehension, Guille > El 8 feb 2020, a las 19:12, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > Round 1 â #1 Leading Team: https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ <https://youtu.be/QWHeN5WXfBQ> > > I'm actually quite amazed by their effort. They surpassed my expectations. > > At the risk of sounding immodest, I think this is a terrific way to promote Smalltalk (Pharo). I think the video is an absolute blast. > > Richard

Feb. 8, 2020