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Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 21 Sep 2011, at 17:05, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Next, I will subclass SMTPClient to try to do an SSL connection with our server. > > I made a very simple ZdcSecureSMTPClient subclass available in Zodiac-Extra (http://www.squeaksource.com/Zodiac) to test this setup, but it does not seem to work: the 'connect' handshake does not complete (actually it hangs in a loop). Since this essentially goes to a primitive and into the plugin's native code and the OS's libraries, this is currently a mistery to me. I just read http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3207.txt It turns out that before doing the TLS negociation (connect handshake), some prior conversation is needed, including the STARTTLS command. I think this might be doable, I will try. Sven

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Larry White

Hi Sven, When I said 'hanging' i wasn't implying that mail didn't work: it can't connect to that server without SSL. Anyway, I tried to interrupt with CMD "." - I wasn't aware of that option - but now I'm getting the error msg back so fast I can't interrupt it. Sigh. I'll keep trying when I'm not on my day job. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > Larry, > > This works for me using our own SMTP server without the SSL option. > Note that we have a custom port and of course don't allow annonymous > relaying. > > | client | > client := SMTPClient new. > text := String streamContents: [ :stream | > stream << 'Subject: Test'; crlf; crlf. > stream << 'Hi there!'; crlf; << 'Sent from Pharo Smalltalk'; crlf ]. > [ > client user: 'sven(a)beta9.be'; password: '???'. > client > openOnHost: (NetNameResolver addressForName: 'smtp.beta9.be > ') > port: 2525. > client > mailFrom: 'sven(a)beta9.be' > to: #('svc(a)mac.com') > text: text. > client quit ] ensure: [ client close ]. > client > > If you have Seaside in your image, look at the references of SMTPClient, > they do something similar. > > Next, I will subclass SMTPClient to try to do an SSL connection with our > server. > > Concerning the 'hanging': are you sure you cannot interrupt and enter the > debugger using CMD-. ? > > What version of Pharo are you using and on which platform ? > > Sven > > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 20:13, Larry White wrote: > > > This is what I ran (excepting the actual email addresses). > > > > [SMTP client deliverMailFrom: 'foo(a)gmail.com' to: #('bar(a)gmail.com') > text: > > 'Subject: this is a test > > Hello from Pharo! > > ' usingServer: 'smtp.gmail.com' ] fork. > > > > it fails of course (no ssl) but it hangs while it tries. > > > > thanks. > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > wrote: > > > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 17:56, Larry White wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > wrote: > > > > > > > Final question, does Pharo always block on IO? My impression was that > all Smalltalks did at one time, but that some (visualworks? squeak?) had > fixed that years ago. > > > > > > Pharo typically blocks when the main or UI thread is doing something, > which includes IO. You can perfectly do all kinds of things in other > threads. Check the process monitor or try some multithreaded server. > > > > > > > > > Thanks Sven, > > > I tried sending the email by wrapping the code in a block and sending > fork to the block, but the image was still frozen until it returned. Is that > the wrong way to do it? > > > > > > thanks again. > > > > I need more information and code that I can execute in order to try to > help you. > > > > Sven > > > > >

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 21 Sep 2011, at 09:00, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Next, I will subclass SMTPClient to try to do an SSL connection with our server. I made a very simple ZdcSecureSMTPClient subclass available in Zodiac-Extra (http://www.squeaksource.com/Zodiac) to test this setup, but it does not seem to work: the 'connect' handshake does not complete (actually it hangs in a loop). Since this essentially goes to a primitive and into the plugin's native code and the OS's libraries, this is currently a mistery to me. Sven

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Larry, This works for me using our own SMTP server without the SSL option. Note that we have a custom port and of course don't allow annonymous relaying. | client | client := SMTPClient new. text := String streamContents: [ :stream | stream << 'Subject: Test'; crlf; crlf. stream << 'Hi there!'; crlf; << 'Sent from Pharo Smalltalk'; crlf ]. [ client user: 'sven(a)beta9.be'; password: '???'. client openOnHost: (NetNameResolver addressForName: 'smtp.beta9.be') port: 2525. client mailFrom: 'sven(a)beta9.be' to: #('svc(a)mac.com') text: text. client quit ] ensure: [ client close ]. client If you have Seaside in your image, look at the references of SMTPClient, they do something similar. Next, I will subclass SMTPClient to try to do an SSL connection with our server. Concerning the 'hanging': are you sure you cannot interrupt and enter the debugger using CMD-. ? What version of Pharo are you using and on which platform ? Sven On 20 Sep 2011, at 20:13, Larry White wrote: > This is what I ran (excepting the actual email addresses). > > [SMTP client deliverMailFrom: 'foo(a)gmail.com' to: #('bar(a)gmail.com') text: > 'Subject: this is a test > Hello from Pharo! > ' usingServer: 'smtp.gmail.com' ] fork. > > it fails of course (no ssl) but it hangs while it tries. > > thanks. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 17:56, Larry White wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > > > > > Final question, does Pharo always block on IO? My impression was that all Smalltalks did at one time, but that some (visualworks? squeak?) had fixed that years ago. > > > > Pharo typically blocks when the main or UI thread is doing something, which includes IO. You can perfectly do all kinds of things in other threads. Check the process monitor or try some multithreaded server. > > > > > > Thanks Sven, > > I tried sending the email by wrapping the code in a block and sending fork to the block, but the image was still frozen until it returned. Is that the wrong way to do it? > > > > thanks again. > > I need more information and code that I can execute in order to try to help you. > > Sven >

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Generators

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Strange I'm quite sure that I integrated in 1.3 :) Stef On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:50 PM, drush66 wrote: > >> I have found on StackOverflow that GNU and Squeak support Generators: >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6529815/how-are-coroutines-implemented-i… >> >> Could they be used with Pharo? > > According to this tracker entry: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3527 > > Class Generator was added as 13009 very early in 1.3. > > Yet, in my 1.3 there is no class Generator... > > (nobody needed it, either...) > > I will re-open the report. > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Sept. 21, 2011

Moose presentation

by laurent laffont

Hi, Doru has introduced Moose to my local developer group. This one hour presentation through Skype was recorded and you can watch it here: http://vimeo.com/29338546 Laurent

Sept. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Generators

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Marcus 2011/9/20 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:50 PM, drush66 wrote: > >> I have found on StackOverflow that GNU and Squeak support Generators: >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6529815/how-are-coroutines-implemented-i… >> >> Could they be used with Pharo? > > According to this tracker entry: > > Â Â Â Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3527 > > Class Generator was added as 13009 very early in 1.3. > > Yet, in my 1.3 there is no class Generator... > > (nobody needed it, either...) > I'm using generators for filling values on matrices and random residues on sequences. For example; ( Generator on: [: g | 15 timesRepeat: [ g yield: 2 ] ] ) upToEnd HernÃ¡n

Sept. 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Larry White

This is what I ran (excepting the actual email addresses). [SMTP client deliverMailFrom: 'foo(a)gmail.com' to: #('bar(a)gmail.com') text: 'Subject: this is a test Hello from Pharo! ' usingServer: 'smtp.gmail.com' ] fork. it fails of course (no ssl) but it hangs while it tries. thanks. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > > On 20 Sep 2011, at 17:56, Larry White wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > wrote: > > > > > Final question, does Pharo always block on IO? My impression was that > all Smalltalks did at one time, but that some (visualworks? squeak?) had > fixed that years ago. > > > > Pharo typically blocks when the main or UI thread is doing something, > which includes IO. You can perfectly do all kinds of things in other > threads. Check the process monitor or try some multithreaded server. > > > > > > Thanks Sven, > > I tried sending the email by wrapping the code in a block and sending > fork to the block, but the image was still frozen until it returned. Is that > the wrong way to do it? > > > > thanks again. > > I need more information and code that I can execute in order to try to help > you. > > Sven >

Sept. 20, 2011

Fwd: [Pharo-project] Page for Blogs on pharo-project.org

by Mariano Martinez Peck

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> Date: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:40 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] Page for Blogs on pharo-project.org To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://www.pharo-project.org/community/blogs More links can be added... -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Sept. 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Status of SSL on Pharo? (and some general questions on mail and IO)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 20 Sep 2011, at 17:56, Larry White wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > > > Final question, does Pharo always block on IO? My impression was that all Smalltalks did at one time, but that some (visualworks? squeak?) had fixed that years ago. > > Pharo typically blocks when the main or UI thread is doing something, which includes IO. You can perfectly do all kinds of things in other threads. Check the process monitor or try some multithreaded server. > > > Thanks Sven, > I tried sending the email by wrapping the code in a block and sending fork to the block, but the image was still frozen until it returned. Is that the wrong way to do it? > > thanks again. I need more information and code that I can execute in order to try to help you. Sven

Sept. 20, 2011