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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consortium agreement

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 06 Nov 2012, at 19:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > I will read the document this evening. It is a lot of pages and it looked daunting, but it is actually very well written: very clear, non-legal language. I am impressed. It might have taken a bit long to get the paperwork in order, but it was worth it. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Nov. 7, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consortium agreement

by Tudor Girba

This is excellent work. Congratulations for pulling it through! Doru On 6 Nov 2012, at 19:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Very good that there is progress on this front ! > > Even better news about Igor ;-) > > Indeed: thank you INRIA for sponsoring Pharo. > > I will read the document this evening. > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > > On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:24, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Dear Pharoers >> >> Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years >> and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. >> This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. >> Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. >> >> The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. >> Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. >> >> We suggest to read the document. >> - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at >> INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, >> BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. >> - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) >> >> We will launch soon two web sites: >> - one for the Pharo user association and >> - one for the Pharo consortium. >> >> >> A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. >> This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. >> >> I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. >> >> Stef >> >> <2012-11-06-consortium PHARO.pdf> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) >> INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ >> **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 >> >> 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, >> BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consortium agreement

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Very good that there is progress on this front ! Even better news about Igor ;-) Indeed: thank you INRIA for sponsoring Pharo. I will read the document this evening. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:24, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years > and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. > This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. > Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. > > The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. > Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. > > We suggest to read the document. > - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at > INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. > - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) > > We will launch soon two web sites: > - one for the Pharo user association and > - one for the Pharo consortium. > > > A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. > This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. > > I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. > > Stef > > <2012-11-06-consortium PHARO.pdf> > > > > > ------------------------ > Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) > INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ > **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 > > 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. > > > > > > >

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Pharo consortium agreement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Dear Sabine > did you skip "individual golden","sponsors" and "normal" (see below) For individual we have created a separate association (with all administration around) with golden and normal members. The web site is nearly ready and we will announce it soon. The point is that Inria cannot handle micro payments and it makes the consortium stronger. Stef > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:19:02 +0200 > From: St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development" > <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>, A friendly place where any > .... > > Hi pharoers > > Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. > By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. > Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. > Thanks you all for your trust. > > Stef > > So far > 4000 gold > 8000 silver > 5000 bronze > 500 sponsor > 2500 individual plus > 480 individual > -------------------- > 20480 Euros > > > Gold (4000) > RMOD 4000 > > Silver (2000) > 2Denker > http://www.Synectique.eu > Sanders Cameron company > 2Rivers > 8000 > > Bronze (1000) > Andy bunnett company > Eggermont company > MAD-Environment > www.FinWorks.biz > netStyle.ch > 5000 > > Sponsors (500) > Caeasar Systems > (May be IMUS)?? > 500 > > Indivudual golden (100) > Stephane Ducasse > Marcus Denker > Schmiedl > Miguel Coba > Alexandre Bergel > > Krish > Brodbeck (may be bronze) > Goran Vasic > Guillermo Polito > Norbert Harlt > > Mark Smith > Lorenzo schiavina > Daniel Galdames > Leandro Caniglia > Francois Stephany > > Sean De Nigris > John O'Keefe > Tudor Girba > Luc Fabresse > Florent Arrignon > > Lawrence Trutter > Sabine Knofel > Yann Monclair > Henrik Johanssen > Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) > > 2500 > Normal 40 > Bill schwab > Herve verjus > Damien cassou > McLeod > Max Leske > > Phil Back (bronze may be) > Yanni Chiu > Andrea Br?hlmann > Stefan Reichhart > Niklaus Lutz > > Max Leske > Simon Jakovina > 480 > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years > and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. > This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. > Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. > > The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. > Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. > > We suggest to read the document. > - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at > INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. > - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) > > We will launch soon two web sites: > - one for the Pharo user association and > - one for the Pharo consortium. > > > A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. > This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. > > I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. > > Stef > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) > INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ > **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 > > 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PS: Bitte Stimme fÃ¼r meine Schwester abgeben: > http://www.sterne-des-handwerks.de/voting/wettbewerb/detail/teilnehmer/4678… >

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Pharo consortium agreement

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sabine KnÃ¶fel <sabine.knoefel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > did you skip "individual golden","sponsors" and "normal" (see below) > These are part of the Pharo User Association. This is ready, too and will be announced the next days. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Pharo consortium agreement

by Sabine KnÃ¶fel

did you skip "individual golden","sponsors" and "normal" (see below) Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:19:02 +0200 From: St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>, A friendly place where any .... Hi pharoers Here is so far the state of replies I compiled. If I miss you or misclassified tell me. By end of July I will build a case to ask for INRIA support. So I will refresh this list and group mails to build a convincing case. Pharo2.0 is going in the right direction. With a mini core, vector graphics, ssh, it is starting to be a nice platform for new challenges. Thanks you all for your trust. Stef So far 4000 gold 8000 silver 5000 bronze 500 sponsor 2500 individual plus 480 individual -------------------- 20480 Euros Gold (4000) RMOD 4000 Silver (2000) 2Denker http://www.Synectique.eu Sanders Cameron company 2Rivers 8000 Bronze (1000) Andy bunnett company Eggermont company MAD-Environment www.FinWorks.biz netStyle.ch 5000 Sponsors (500) Caeasar Systems (May be IMUS)?? 500 Indivudual golden (100) Stephane Ducasse Marcus Denker Schmiedl Miguel Coba Alexandre Bergel Krish Brodbeck (may be bronze) Goran Vasic Guillermo Polito Norbert Harlt Mark Smith Lorenzo schiavina Daniel Galdames Leandro Caniglia Francois Stephany Sean De Nigris John O'Keefe Tudor Girba Luc Fabresse Florent Arrignon Lawrence Trutter Sabine Knofel Yann Monclair Henrik Johanssen Hernan Wilkinson (or bronze to be defined) 2500 Normal 40 Bill schwab Herve verjus Damien cassou McLeod Max Leske Phil Back (bronze may be) Yanni Chiu Andrea Br?hlmann Stefan Reichhart Niklaus Lutz Max Leske Simon Jakovina 480 On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for > about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years > and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community > can support. > This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to > deliver a system to help you making business. > Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time > engineer. > > The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. > We will not handle modifications per partners. > Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the > form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. > > We suggest to read the document. > - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you > do it by surface mail at > INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, > France.), so that we sign it too. > - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and > your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) > > We will launch soon two web sites: > - one for the Pharo user association and > - one for the Pharo consortium. > > > A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria > decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. > This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and > previous years of Igor. > > I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. > Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. > > Stef > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) > INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ > **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 > > 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. > > > > > > > > > -- PS: Bitte Stimme fÃ¼r meine Schwester abgeben: http://www.sterne-des-handwerks.de/voting/wettbewerb/detail/teilnehmer/4678…

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-consortium] Pharo consortium agreement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Apparently we need a physical mail with two copies so no electronic version is allowed. Stef On Nov 6, 2012, at 5:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years > and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. > This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. > Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. > > The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. > Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. > > We suggest to read the document. > - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at > INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. > - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) > > We will launch soon two web sites: > - one for the Pharo user association and > - one for the Pharo consortium. > > > A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. > This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. > > I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. > > Stef > > <2012-11-06-consortium PHARO.pdf> > > > > > ------------------------ > Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) > INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ > **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 > > 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-consortium mailing list > Pharo-consortium(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-consortium

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consortium agreement

by Miguel CobÃ¡

Great news Stef! I will read the doc soon and will feedback you about it. And excelent news, that Igor has its contract extended! Congratulations! Cheers On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years > and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. > This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. > Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. > > The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. > Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. > > We suggest to read the document. > - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at > INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. > - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) > > We will launch soon two web sites: > - one for the Pharo user association and > - one for the Pharo consortium. > > > A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. > This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. > > I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. > > Stef > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) > INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ > **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 > > 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, > BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. > > > > > > > >

Nov. 6, 2012

Pharo consortium agreement

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Dear Pharoers Here is the result of the work we did around the consortium for Pharo for about 2 years. We took into account all your remarks over the years and we think that the result is good and corresponds to what the community can support. This consortium is important for Pharo's future and it will help us to deliver a system to help you making business. Our goal is to be able to collect fundings to pay at least one full time engineer. The idea is that all the consortium members will sign the same agreement. We will not handle modifications per partners. Now since we are starting the process if you spot some glitches on the form let us know. We can discuss and fully stabilize one version. We suggest to read the document. - If you agree to sign it and send it to us (in two copies if you do it by surface mail at INRIA - S. Ducasse - Pharo, 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.), so that we sign it too. - Don't forget to complete your legal mention on first page and your contact details on article 14 before signing. :) We will launch soon two web sites: - one for the Pharo user association and - one for the Pharo consortium. A side note: we will communicate about it later and separately but Inria decided to support the consortium by paying one extra year to Igor Stasenko. This is around 60 Keuros in addition to the year of Esteban Lorenzano and previous years of Igor. I really want to thank Inria for the constant support and the work of S. Karpf, P. Moreau and S. Perin. Stef ------------------------ Dr. StÃ©phane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 59 35 87 52 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.

Nov. 6, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] stream usage in workspace

by Ben Coman

Thanks for the clarification. Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> My prior assumption has been that once 'myStream' drops the reference drops >> to the previous stream, garbage collection would take care of 'everything'. >> > > unless you do it very very frequently, you should be fine. But in real > source code, pay attention to always close manually. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > >

Nov. 5, 2012