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Re: [Pharo-users] Re Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Just a side-note: according to Wikipedia article [1] there are already some commercial PaaS providers based on CloudFork: - Uhuru Software, Inc. is one company that has created a AppCloud using Cloud Foundry. Uhuru's PaaS provides support for multiple frameworks (.NET, Rails, and Spring) and languages (Java, Ruby, PHP, and C#). - AppFog hosts their PaaS on Amazon Web Services, OpenStack and Windows Azure.[1] [2] - ActiveState is a company that has created a commercial distribution of the Cloud Foundry software for enterprises to host their own private PaaS. Their product has support for additional languages and frameworks, an adds a dashboard and security protocols.[3] - Tier 3 is a company that has created an Enterprise-oriented PaaS combining Cloud Foundry with their Iron Foundry OSS Project that provides .NET and SQL Server Support. About commercial cloudfoundry.com: As of September 2012, this service is still in beta and pricing is not yet determined. So, question is, what are long-term VMware plans with CloudFoundry, and in this light, maybe supporting another provider like proposed OpenShift is not a bad idea, for many reasons: - more experience will be gained running on the another cloud - more general PhaaS, which can run on more than one cloud - more independent of cloud providers Best regards Janko [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Foundry Dne 27. 01. 2013 12:51, piÅ¡e Andy Burnett: >>> . >> >> I built CloudFoundry so that you uploaded a .st file (in my ESUG example it was 'aida.st') that was used to build the image. The server executed the .st file and saved the resulting image (it could load .mcz files directly or execute a Metacello script). Whenever your application was needed, a copy of the saved image was used. >> >> James Foster > > James, can I check a few assumptions - I want to make sure I am not > putting words in VMWare's mouth, or missing an opportunity. > > 1. Is it the case that CloudFoundry.com has no current plans to offer > gemstone as a hosted option? > > 2. Your work on getting Aida to run was targeted at the > cloudfoundry.org, And therefore it would require someone to set up a > separate hosting operation - using the cloudfoundry code - in order > for us to use your work? > > If 1 and 2 are true, is there anyway that we can use the .com side in > pursuit of this PhaaS objective? I assume not, but I would hate to > miss the simple fix :-) > > Cheers > Andy > > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Jan. 27, 2013

Re Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Andy Burnett

>> . > > I built CloudFoundry so that you uploaded a .st file (in my ESUG example it was 'aida.st') that was used to build the image. The server executed the .st file and saved the resulting image (it could load .mcz files directly or execute a Metacello script). Whenever your application was needed, a copy of the saved image was used. > > James Foster James, can I check a few assumptions - I want to make sure I am not putting words in VMWare's mouth, or missing an opportunity. 1. Is it the case that CloudFoundry.com has no current plans to offer gemstone as a hosted option? 2. Your work on getting Aida to run was targeted at the cloudfoundry.org, And therefore it would require someone to set up a separate hosting operation - using the cloudfoundry code - in order for us to use your work? If 1 and 2 are true, is there anyway that we can use the .com side in pursuit of this PhaaS objective? I assume not, but I would hate to miss the simple fix :-) Cheers Andy

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Esteban Lorenzano

also... the capability to upload images is not contrary to the capability to prepare them before put them online :) I imagine it could be an "incremental" process: first a service to put images online, after a service to prepare them :) btw, I think you'll need a special vm (the guys from netstyle have a custom vm in seasidehosting, for security issues (onether btw: we should have a CMakeMaker config to produce such a special VM... and a jenkins job... well, dreams...) cheers, Esteban On Jan 27, 2013, at 3:41 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >> >> I'm not aware of any. >> Tanker[1] + Metacello are maybe an answer for the loading time issue. >> >> >> [1]: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/new-tanker-current-status/ > > But it requires some work to make it production ready. > I do not think that you need ston. You plain smalltalk code is good enough to trigger the correct metacello file. > > metacello is key for the projects dependency management and complex projects. > Once we will have the continuous validation of pckage ready + binary loader we will get ready for a new phase > in Pharo. > > Stef

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by James Foster

On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/01/13 02:02, Andy Burnett wrote: >> Our requirements are pretty simple. We need a way of uploading an image, >> and some standard for of persistence. At this point, we would be >> perfectly happy to make compromises by agreeing that it had to be e.g. >> Mongo or whatever (although ideally it would be gemstone). We just want >> to make some progress on this. > > I would prefer to upload a MetacelloConfiguration (or something similar) instead of an image. I built CloudFoundry so that you uploaded a .st file (in my ESUG example it was 'aida.st') that was used to build the image. The server executed the .st file and saved the resulting image (it could load .mcz files directly or execute a Metacello script). Whenever your application was needed, a copy of the saved image was used. James Foster

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Nautilus SBD IC buttons

by S Krish

i had opined the same at the very first cut. the one unaesthetic element of the browser, which puts me off from using the browser itself... these are the source, bytecode, decompiled ... ecquivalent of much nicer simple, drop down of the yore. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:12 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Francois Stephany wrote: > > > Am I the only to never use the buttons on the right in Nautilus? > > I never use them because I never remember what they mean and because there > are ugly :) > I should say that the idea to show if we can class methods is just great. > So we will see what will come for these buttons. > > > > > In practice, when do you need to see the bytecode/decompiled versions of > a method? > > > > Is there a way to trigger the Instance and class variables buttons with > a keyboard shortcut? > > > > Is there a way to remove completely the panel containing those buttons? > > > > Cheers, > > Fa > > > > >

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I started to flag some issues wth springChile. And we will probably do another pass for the sprint the 8th stef On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > good :) maybe I have time to do a pass on the tracker... > > On 2013-01-26, at 13:30, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> We will do a coding sprint here at Santiago @ DCC (Pleaid building) >> http://pleiad.dcc.uchile.cl >> >> We should have a list of issue to fix :) >> I will check the issues in the bug tracker but any help, wishes from this sprint is welcome. >> >> Stef > >

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Nautilus SBD IC buttons

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Francois Stephany wrote: > Am I the only to never use the buttons on the right in Nautilus? I never use them because I never remember what they mean and because there are ugly :) I should say that the idea to show if we can class methods is just great. So we will see what will come for these buttons. > > In practice, when do you need to see the bytecode/decompiled versions of a method? > > Is there a way to trigger the Instance and class variables buttons with a keyboard shortcut? > > Is there a way to remove completely the panel containing those buttons? > > Cheers, > Fa >

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > > I'm not aware of any. > Tanker[1] + Metacello are maybe an answer for the loading time issue. > > > [1]: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/new-tanker-current-status/ But it requires some work to make it production ready. I do not think that you need ston. You plain smalltalk code is good enough to trigger the correct metacello file. metacello is key for the projects dependency management and complex projects. Once we will have the continuous validation of pckage ready + binary loader we will get ready for a new phase in Pharo. Stef

Jan. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Camillo Bruni

good :) maybe I have time to do a pass on the tracker... On 2013-01-26, at 13:30, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > We will do a coding sprint here at Santiago @ DCC (Pleaid building) > http://pleiad.dcc.uchile.cl > > We should have a list of issue to fix :) > I will check the issues in the bug tracker but any help, wishes from this sprint is welcome. > > Stef

Jan. 26, 2013

Nautilus SBD IC buttons

by Francois Stephany

Am I the only to never use the buttons on the right in Nautilus? In practice, when do you need to see the bytecode/decompiled versions of a method? Is there a way to trigger the Instance and class variables buttons with a keyboard shortcut? Is there a way to remove completely the panel containing those buttons? Cheers, Fa

Jan. 26, 2013