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by dimitris chloupis

almost cannot believe it..what do you think http://bit.ly/10Xlg73 dimitris

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Geert Claes

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Yes, any serious company making real money, will normally pay closer to > $1000/month and often much more for infrastructure. I may be wrong but at those figures (i.e. 1k/month) there a lot of options, its more the smaller ones who have nowhere to go. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > There are many others (and thus examples): > > https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/third-party-buildpacks Redline Smalltalk is in the list I noticed. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Phaas-anyone-interested-in-setting-up-Pharo-as-a-Serv… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Nick Smith

> "Regarding Heroku..." That is really interesting Sven. I am a newcomer here, so at present this is beyond my technical capabilities... but it would be wonderful to see Pharo on that list of third-party build packs and able to leverage their infrastructure. I imagine, really frictionless way of allowing folk to deploy and scale quickly. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Phaas-anyone-interested-in-setting-up-Pharo-as-a-Serv… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

What if we ask one of existing commercial PaaS providers to add Smalltalk among the languages of choice? This way we achieve one-click Smalltalk cloud apps the fastest way for sure. Right now I'm looking at AppFog http://www.appfog.com. This is CloudFoundry based PaaS provider over the Amazon, Rackspace and Azure IaaS providers. It supports also "unusual" languages like Erlang and Go [1], so maybe they are open for Smalltalk too. James, AppCloud is located in Portland, Gemstone as well, so you are neighbors :) Do you think it would be wise to make a contact with them to start discussing the possibilities? Best regards Janko [1] Languages and Runtimes https://docs.appfog.com/roadmap#langs Dne 28. 01. 2013 09:17, piÅ¡e Geert Claes: > While it is great that one can actually use Smalltalk in Cloud Foundry ... it > does require a lot of steps to get it going. Having said that reckon it > would be interresting to have an easy to use Pharo-as-a-Service. For > persistence maybe rely on things like MongoLab or MongoHQ so you don't have > to worry about that? > > > fstephany wrote >> http://programminggems.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/adding-smalltalk-to-cloud-f… >> >> http://programminggems.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/using-mysql-in-aida-on-phar… >> >> https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/using-mysql-from-smalltalk… >> >> Are the three articles describing it :) > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Phaas-anyone-interested-in-setting-up-Pharo-as-a-Serv… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 28 Jan 2013, at 11:10, Nick Smith <life2point0(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My friend pays $350 month for a bunch of apps, and considers it money well > spent. I think that the developer community has a tendency to compare the > price of of services with the price of open source software (free) and > assume that no-one will pay. In the commercial world though, the comparison > is with what it would cost you for hosting PLUS sys admin.. which, for most > organisations is both a pain in the ass and very expensive. Yes, any serious company making real money, will normally pay closer to $1000/month and often much more for infrastructure. Regarding Heroku, I guess it would be a manageable, realistic project to do a third-party build pack for Pharo Smalltalk, with interfaces to some of the underlying infrastructure (Glorp for PostgreSQL, memcached, maybe also ampq) and to integrate a bit in their ecosystem (logging, monitoring), using some base image containing the necessary libraries, with some vm+image on dynamo validation. There are many others (and thus examples): https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/third-party-buildpacks This does cost work and thus money. I know there are ways to monetize addons in the Heroku world, so that is a possibility as well. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Jan. 28, 2013

petit parser

by Hilaire Fernandes

Hello I try to extent the example of the arithmetic evaluator[1], I don't understand the magic underneath nor how you will make it works with substraction. Changing method add to: add ^ prod, ($+ asParser / $- asParser) trim, term to parse mixture addition and substraction is wrong: parser parse: '1 - 2 + 6' -> #(1 $- #(2 $+ 6)) The precedence is wrong. How will you make it work? It seems to me the way to handle precedence in the example is not suited for extension Thanks Hilaire [1] http://pharobooks.gforge.inria.fr/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/latest/

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Francois Stephany

That's good to know :) What do they consider? Sysadmin+custom servers? Are you allowed to quantify the load, size of data and budget? Me needs are pretty basic so I assume other's are :p On 28/01/13 11:23, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > I am currently busy with a client who does solid stuff. This means > sizeable chunks of money, way above that pricepoint. > > Phil > > 2013/1/28 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> > > > On 28 Jan 2013, at 10:49, Francois Stephany > <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > It's hard to evaluate the market size for a Pharo/Seaside PaaS. > Who would pay for it? How much? Do you mind paying 10~20â¬/month per > app for a small instance? > > Euh, that seems like extremely cheap - I am not a RoR/Heroku user, > but it seems they are way more expensive, hundreds of $ per month > for anything non-trivial, right ? > > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be +32 65 709 131

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by phil＠highoctane.be

I am currently busy with a client who does solid stuff. This means sizeable chunks of money, way above that pricepoint. Phil 2013/1/28 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > > On 28 Jan 2013, at 10:49, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It's hard to evaluate the market size for a Pharo/Seaside PaaS. Who > would pay for it? How much? Do you mind paying 10~20â¬/month per app for a > small instance? > > Euh, that seems like extremely cheap - I am not a RoR/Heroku user, but it > seems they are way more expensive, hundreds of $ per month for anything > non-trivial, right ? > >

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Francois Stephany

Yep but the first stage is free and is honestly more than enough for a small website/app (which I guess is the target if 95% Pier setups). Then more processing power (or a background job queue) starts at $35. Database is free up to 10k rows ($9/month up to 10M rows). If you want more data/robustness/speed a database with a 400MB cache is $50/month. I don't know the size of a typical smalltalk webapp but it seems to me that 80% of them are pretty lightweight. The remaining 20% probably already have their custom setup suiting their needs. But I would love to be completely wrong. On 28/01/13 10:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 28 Jan 2013, at 10:49, Francois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's hard to evaluate the market size for a Pharo/Seaside PaaS. Who would pay for it? How much? Do you mind paying 10~20â¬/month per app for a small instance? > > Euh, that seems like extremely cheap - I am not a RoR/Heroku user, but it seems they are way more expensive, hundreds of $ per month for anything non-trivial, right ? >

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Nick Smith

> It's hard to evaluate the market size for a Pharo/Seaside PaaS. Who > would pay for it? How much? Do you mind paying 10~20â¬/month per app for > a small instance. My friend pays $350 month for a bunch of apps, and considers it money well spent. I think that the developer community has a tendency to compare the price of of services with the price of open source software (free) and assume that no-one will pay. In the commercial world though, the comparison is with what it would cost you for hosting PLUS sys admin.. which, for most organisations is both a pain in the ass and very expensive. As Sven mentioned, this is very much a chicken and egg situation. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Phaas-anyone-interested-in-setting-up-Pharo-as-a-Serv… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 28, 2013