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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Norbert Hartl

It might be a good idea to open a new thread if you have a new topic to discuss. thanks, Norbert Am 19.02.2013 um 14:55 schrieb phil(a)highoctane.be: > There is a potential problem for me with 2.0: > > It includes NativeBoost/Athens.... > > As I am targeting iOS running on a StackVM, am I stuck to 1.4? > Is there anything to do to ensure that Pharo 2.0 is not a dead end for > such developments? > > Maybe this is just me scaring myself... There is value in an all > software Pharo stack. Which is why I went that way in the first place. > > Phil > > 2013/2/19 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? >> >> please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to >> improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find >> a class using cmd-f I get the following error >> >> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >> >> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that >> setting does, btw) >> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> which most places? >> >> >> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and >> press cmd-n to browse senders. >> >> Norbert >> >> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are >> then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not >> change) any keybinding. >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really >> cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in >> parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in >> Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most >> places. >> Is there a way change that? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Esteban Lorenzano

you are just scared :) 1) NB does not need to be used in 2.0... is just there, as any other package... it just will not work in iOS, but the image will be ok 2) Athens will replace old graphics infrastructure, but not in 2.0 and certainly, that should not be a problem for use it in iOS in the future (since athens is a framework that uses cairo, but can use other backends, like the old balllon3d) Esteban On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > There is a potential problem for me with 2.0: > > It includes NativeBoost/Athens.... > > As I am targeting iOS running on a StackVM, am I stuck to 1.4? > Is there anything to do to ensure that Pharo 2.0 is not a dead end for > such developments? > > Maybe this is just me scaring myself... There is value in an all > software Pharo stack. Which is why I went that way in the first place. > > Phil > > 2013/2/19 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? >> >> please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to >> improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find >> a class using cmd-f I get the following error >> >> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >> >> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that >> setting does, btw) >> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >> which most places? >> >> >> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and >> press cmd-n to browse senders. >> >> Norbert >> >> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are >> then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not >> change) any keybinding. >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really >> cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in >> parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in >> Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most >> places. >> Is there a way change that? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by phil＠highoctane.be

There is a potential problem for me with 2.0: It includes NativeBoost/Athens.... As I am targeting iOS running on a StackVM, am I stuck to 1.4? Is there anything to do to ensure that Pharo 2.0 is not a dead end for such developments? Maybe this is just me scaring myself... There is value in an all software Pharo stack. Which is why I went that way in the first place. Phil 2013/2/19 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? > > please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to > improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find > a class using cmd-f I get the following error > > <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> > > Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ > > Norbert > > Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that > setting does, btw) > is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > which most places? > > > e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and > press cmd-n to browse senders. > > Norbert > > the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are > then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not > change) any keybinding. > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really > cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in > parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in > Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most > places. > Is there a way change that? > > > > > > > >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Esteban Lorenzano

slice is in inbox, I will integrate in half an hour http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7542 On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > thanks! > > N. > Am 19.02.2013 um 14:38 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> he, I have it... providing a fix now... >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 19.02.2013 um 14:19 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? >>>> >>> I downloaded latest 2.0 image. I opened it, opened the Settings browser, searched for "old style", checked option. Closed Settings browser, opened over world menu a system browser, click in the left-most pane (classes), pressed cmd-f, typed RxMatcher, selected appearing RxMatcher in list and pressed enter. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error >>>>> >>>>> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) >>>>>> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >>>>>> >>>>>> Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> which most places? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Norbert >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>>>>>>> Is there a way change that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Norbert Hartl

thanks! N. Am 19.02.2013 um 14:38 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > he, I have it... providing a fix now... > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 14:19 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? >>> >> I downloaded latest 2.0 image. I opened it, opened the Settings browser, searched for "old style", checked option. Closed Settings browser, opened over world menu a system browser, click in the left-most pane (classes), pressed cmd-f, typed RxMatcher, selected appearing RxMatcher in list and pressed enter. >> >> Norbert >> >>> please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>>> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error >>>> >>>> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >>>> >>>> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) >>>>> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >>>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> which most places? >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>>>>>> Is there a way change that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Esteban Lorenzano

he, I have it... providing a fix now... On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 19.02.2013 um 14:19 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? >> > I downloaded latest 2.0 image. I opened it, opened the Settings browser, searched for "old style", checked option. Closed Settings browser, opened over world menu a system browser, click in the left-most pane (classes), pressed cmd-f, typed RxMatcher, selected appearing RxMatcher in list and pressed enter. > > Norbert > >> please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error >>> >>> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >>> >>> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) >>>> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> which most places? >>>>> >>>>> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>>>>> >>>>>> Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>>>>> Is there a way change that? >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Norbert Hartl

Am 19.02.2013 um 14:19 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? > I downloaded latest 2.0 image. I opened it, opened the Settings browser, searched for "old style", checked option. Closed Settings browser, opened over world menu a system browser, click in the left-most pane (classes), pressed cmd-f, typed RxMatcher, selected appearing RxMatcher in list and pressed enter. Norbert > please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error >> >> <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> >> >> Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) >>> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> which most places? >>>> >>>> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>>>> Is there a way change that? >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Esteban Lorenzano

I cannot reproduce it... did you tried in a new nautilus instance? please, do not stay in 1.4... we need the feedback of people using 2.0 to improve, otherwise we will not realize what is wrong :) Esteban On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error > > <Bildschirmfoto 2013-02-19 um 14.10.24.png> > > Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ > > Norbert > > Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) >> is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group >> >> Esteban >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> which most places? >>> >>> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>>> Is there a way change that? >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Norbert Hartl

That was short time fun. If I select the "old style" option and try to find a class using cmd-f I get the following error Maybe I stay in 1.4 a while longerâ¦ Norbert Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) > is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> which most places? >> >> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >> >> Norbert >> >>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>> Is there a way change that? >>>> >> >> >> > >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 2 and old shortcuts

by Norbert Hartl

Thanks Esteban! Norbert Am 19.02.2013 um 12:44 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > ha... problem is that is not "use historical keys" (I don't know what that setting does, btw) > is "Use old style keys" under Nautilus group > > Esteban > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> Am 19.02.2013 um 11:59 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> which most places? >> >> e.g. in Nautilus with historical shortcuts on I can't click on a method and press cmd-n to browse senders. >> >> Norbert >> >>> the new shortcuts were defined in nautilus, and the historical shortcuts are then targeting nautilus usage. Other places didn't change (or should not change) any keybinding. >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>>> For a new project I started to use pharo 2.0. But I find it really cumbersome to use the new keyboard shortcuts. As long as I use 1.4 in parallel I don't want to switch to the new ones. I've found a setting in Settings named "use historical shortcuts" but it is not effective in most places. >>>> Is there a way change that? >>>> >> >> >> > >

Feb. 19, 2013