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June 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks :) This is less work for us and the process can automatically check the code and run the tests automatically. Stef On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:16 PM, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok, I will correct it tomorrow. > > Txs > > > > El 07/06/2013, a las 21:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribiÃ³: > >> Jose >> >> normally we do not summit code in the pane of the bug tracker, we commit a slice (click + slice in the monticello browser) >> in the inbox folder. >> >> Stef >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> tx I will look at it. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:57 PM, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Done. >>>> >>>> I hope I have made it correctly. If not, please tell me. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> 2013/6/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>>> Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. >>>>> >>>>> I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Answers in red. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Regards >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Thank you Sven. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >>>>>> >>>>>> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >>>>>> >>>>>> Super. >>>>>> >>>>>> > > Regards >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>> > > Hi JosÃ©, >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > Hello everybody. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > you get: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > I am working with version #20605 >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > The fix would be quite easy: >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > should be >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Sven >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Regards. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime >>>>>> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > This is interesting. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > | x y | >>>>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > But >>>>>> > > > > | x y | >>>>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > -- >>>>>> > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >>>>>> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a

Ok, I will correct it tomorrow. Txs El 07/06/2013, a las 21:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribiÃ³: > Jose > > normally we do not summit code in the pane of the bug tracker, we commit a slice (click + slice in the monticello browser) > in the inbox folder. > > Stef > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> tx I will look at it. >> >> Stef >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:57 PM, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Done. >>> >>> I hope I have made it correctly. If not, please tell me. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> 2013/6/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >>>> Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. >>>>> >>>>> I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Answers in red. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Regards >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Thank you Sven. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Super. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > Regards >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>>>>> > > Hi JosÃ©, >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > Hello everybody. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > you get: >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > I am working with version #20605 >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > The fix would be quite easy: >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > should be >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Sven >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Regards. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime >>>>>>> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > This is interesting. >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > | x y | >>>>>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>>> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > But >>>>>>> > > > > | x y | >>>>>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>>>>> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > -- >>>>>>> > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >>>>>>> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Jose normally we do not summit code in the pane of the bug tracker, we commit a slice (click + slice in the monticello browser) in the inbox folder. Stef On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:12 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > tx I will look at it. > > Stef > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:57 PM, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Done. >> >> I hope I have made it correctly. If not, please tell me. >> >> Regards >> >> 2013/6/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Hi again. >>>> >>>> I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. >>> >>> I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>> >>>> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Answers in red. >>>> > >>>> > Regards >>>> > >>>> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>> > >>>> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Thank you Sven. >>>> > > >>>> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >>>> > > >>>> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. >>>> > >>>> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >>>> > >>>> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >>>> >>>> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >>>> >>>> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. >>>> > >>>> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >>>> >>>> Super. >>>> >>>> > > Regards >>>> > > >>>> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>>> > > Hi JosÃ©, >>>> > > >>>> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > > Hello everybody. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >>>> > > > >>>> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >>>> > > > >>>> > > > you get: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I am working with version #20605 >>>> > > >>>> > > The fix would be quite easy: >>>> > > >>>> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>> > > >>>> > > should be >>>> > > >>>> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>>> > > >>>> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >>>> > > >>>> > > Sven >>>> > > >>>> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Regards. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime >>>> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... >>>> > > > >>>> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > This is interesting. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > | x y | >>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > But >>>> > > > > | x y | >>>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>>> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > -- >>>> > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >>>> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

tx I will look at it. Stef On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:57 PM, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Done. > > I hope I have made it correctly. If not, please tell me. > > Regards > > 2013/6/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 > > Stef > > > > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> >>> Hi again. >>> >>> I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. >> >> I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. >> >> Stef >> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>> >>> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Answers in red. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>> > >>> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Thank you Sven. >>> > > >>> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >>> > > >>> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. >>> > >>> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >>> > >>> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >>> >>> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >>> >>> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. >>> > >>> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. >>> > >>> > >>> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >>> >>> Super. >>> >>> > > Regards >>> > > >>> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >>> > > Hi JosÃ©, >>> > > >>> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Hello everybody. >>> > > > >>> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >>> > > > >>> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >>> > > > >>> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >>> > > > >>> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >>> > > > >>> > > > you get: >>> > > > >>> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >>> > > > >>> > > > I am working with version #20605 >>> > > >>> > > The fix would be quite easy: >>> > > >>> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>> > > >>> > > should be >>> > > >>> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >>> > > >>> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >>> > > >>> > > Sven >>> > > >>> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >>> > > > >>> > > > Regards. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >>> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime >>> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... >>> > > > >>> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > This is interesting. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > | x y | >>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >>> > > > > >>> > > > > But >>> > > > > | x y | >>> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >>> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -- >>> > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >>> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a

Done. I hope I have made it correctly. If not, please tell me. Regards 2013/6/7 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 > > Stef > > > > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > > > Hi again. > > I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send > it, where, to whom?. > > > I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and > the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. > > Stef > > > Regards > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > >> >> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Answers in red. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> > >> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Thank you Sven. >> > > >> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't >> need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't >> need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the >> bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >> > > >> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although >> it does for 'd/m/yy'. >> > >> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >> > >> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many >> digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either >> accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >> >> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the >> case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >> >> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are >> interesting. >> > >> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete >> examples. >> > >> > >> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >> >> Super. >> >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> > > Hi JosÃ©, >> > > >> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello everybody. >> > > > >> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >> > > > >> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to >> improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A >> year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >> > > > >> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >> > > > >> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >> > > > >> > > > you get: >> > > > >> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >> > > > >> > > > I am working with version #20605 >> > > >> > > The fix would be quite easy: >> > > >> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >> > > >> > > should be >> > > >> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >> > > >> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of >> #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep >> the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >> > > >> > > Sven >> > > >> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >> > > > >> > > > Regards. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x >> asTime and y asTime >> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all >> detail... >> > > > >> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >> > > > > >> > > > > This is interesting. >> > > > > >> > > > > | x y | >> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 >> second: 7. >> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >> > > > > >> > > > > But >> > > > > | x y | >> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 >> second: 7. >> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Changes-File & caching

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 07 Jun 2013, at 19:45, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 07 Jun 2013, at 11:07, Markus Fritsche <fritsche.markus(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello Sven & List, >>> >>> On 07.06.2013 10:45, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>>> Yes, it is an important problem (but the trigger is a change in Ubuntu 13.04). I am not an Ubuntu desktop user, I can only hope that those who are will help. >>> Well, I have 13.04 on a few laptops (2GB Atom netbook, 8GB i7 dual core and 6GB AMD 4Core) with different file systems (ext4, btrfs) on them, so I have quite a few configurations at hand to test with. >> >> Great, we need more Linux Desktop users, the community it too Mac centric ;-) > > +1 > I'm waiting that mac gets totally evil to switch :) If you would switch and force a good UX, all Pharo users on Linux will thank you for it ;-) >>> The RemoteString-Error during updates has been fixed; as I see the files referenced by the download links have been replaced. The only "old" image left I found was the one titled "Pharo 2.0 image" on http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download which raises the error in ScriptLoaderupdate>>#20605 >> >> We need to fix that then. >> >> Thanks for the feedback. >> >> Sven >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> Proudly supporting Pharo >> http://pharo.org >> http://association.pharo.org >> http://consortium.pharo.org >> >> >> >> >> > >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Here it is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?10869 Stef On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:17 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> Hi again. >> >> I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. > > I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. > > Stef > >> >> Regards >> >> 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> >> On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Answers in red. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> > >> > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Thank you Sven. >> > > >> > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. >> > > >> > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. >> > >> > Depends on what a single y means, right ? >> > >> > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 >> >> Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. >> >> > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. >> > >> > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. >> > >> > >> > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! >> >> Super. >> >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> > > Hi JosÃ©, >> > > >> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hello everybody. >> > > > >> > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. >> > > > >> > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". >> > > > >> > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate >> > > > >> > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' >> > > > >> > > > you get: >> > > > >> > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. >> > > > >> > > > I am working with version #20605 >> > > >> > > The fix would be quite easy: >> > > >> > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >> > > >> > > should be >> > > >> > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger >> > > >> > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. >> > > >> > > Sven >> > > >> > > > Thank you all for your great work. >> > > > >> > > > Regards. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >> > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime >> > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... >> > > > >> > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. >> > > > > >> > > > > This is interesting. >> > > > > >> > > > > | x y | >> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > x = y <------------------ True >> > > > > >> > > > > But >> > > > > | x y | >> > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. >> > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html >> > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime>>asTime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Hi again. > > I have one first test for #readFrom:pattern:. What can I do now to send it, where, to whom?. I will create a bug entry for you and you create a slice with the test and the fix and you publish it in the pharo inbox. Stef > > Regards > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 14:28, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Answers in red. > > > > Regards > > > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > > > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 13:26, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you Sven. > > > > > > I had made the fixes myself, creating a new class for dates (I don't need the complexity of Date just for determining if a date is past, I don't need date arithmetic either). I just wanted to inform, mainly because the bug seems to be still present in Pharo 3.0. > > > > > > Anyway, your solution does not work for the 'd/m/y' pattern, although it does for 'd/m/yy'. > > > > Depends on what a single y means, right ? > > > > According to documentation, one y means ...year, no matter how many digits supplied... (my own words, not litteral). It means it will either accept ../../13 or ../../2013 > > Yes, that is how I understood it as well. My change adds 2000 only in the case of 2 y's unless I am mistaken. But I must admin I didn't test it. > > > > I could write the tests you suggest, if you think they are interesting. > > > > Yes, please do: with a good set of tests, we can discuss using concrete examples. > > > > > > Sure I will. Will keep you informed! > > Super. > > > > Regards > > > > > > 2013/6/7 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > > > Hi JosÃ©, > > > > > > On 07 Jun 2013, at 12:02, JosÃ© ComesaÃ±a <jose.comesana(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello everybody. > > > > > > > > I would like to add a new improvement to this thread. > > > > > > > > I have noticed that Date class has a bug, or at least something to improve in readFrom:pattern: method. The initial comment states that "A year given using only two decimals is considered to be >2000.". > > > > > > > > But this seems to be incorrect: if you evaluate > > > > > > > > Date readFrom: '07/06/13' readStream pattern: 'd/m/y' > > > > > > > > you get: > > > > > > > > 7 June 0013 instead of 7 June 2013. > > > > > > > > I am working with version #20605 > > > > > > The fix would be quite easy: > > > > > > year := (inputStream next: 2) asInteger > > > > > > should be > > > > > > year := 2000 + (inputStream next: 2) asInteger > > > > > > A more important problem is that there are no users of #readFrom:pattern: in the system, not even unit tests. If we want to keep the methods, someone should start by writing a couple of unit tests. > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > Thank you all for your great work. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/6/6 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > > > > can you save an image with the inspector opened on both x and y, x asTime and y asTime > > > > and provide a link to it? like that I can inspect it in all detail... > > > > > > > > On 2013-06-06, at 17:51, dmacq <dmacq(a)instantiations.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I tried it again this morning and still had the problem. > > > > > > > > > > This is interesting. > > > > > > > > > > | x y | > > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. > > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. > > > > > x = y <------------------ True > > > > > > > > > > But > > > > > | x y | > > > > > x := DateAndTime year: 1991 day: 196 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. > > > > > y := DateAndTime year: 1991 month: 7 day: 15 hour: 20 minute: 5 second: 7. > > > > > x asTime = y asTime <------------- False > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/DateAndTime-asTime-tp4691870p4691988.html > > > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

June 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo on Raspberry Pi

by btc＠openinworld.com

Tony Giaccone wrote: > I recently got a Raspberry Pi and was pleasantly surprised to see that smalltalk is part of the image. I quickly did a search to see if Pharo was available. While there was a flurry of messages about getting a version that would work on the. Pi. I haven't seem anything saying it had happened. > > Is it possible to run Pharo on my RaspPi? > > You didn't say which smalltalk was there, so I'll just mention that Tim Rowledge on [squeak-dev] list appears to have Squeak running on the RaspPi. cheers -ben

June 7, 2013