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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

by Norbert Hartl

Am 27.06.2013 um 20:51 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > On 27 Jun 2013, at 20:41, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 27 June 2013 18:32, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I told you: 2 man/month >>> (not taking NB-FFI into account) >> That is a bit optimistic :) >> But reasonable. > > Just to be clear: the goal is to make the current Cog & Stack VMs decent 64-bit apps that can operate on a 64-bit OS without needing special/extra 32-bit libs, while keeping intact the current 32-bit internal memory/pointer model, right ? > > And that on all 3 platforms ? > > Make that at least 3 months ;-) > I think that even this time frame is too optimistic! Norbert >>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> so much? >>>> how many men/months? >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 27 June 2013 14:16, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> we got this discussion about the VM on 64 bits so do we try to take the opportunity >>>>>> to get a crowdsource donate button for it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Esteban/igor what is your estimate for such task? >>>>> >>>>> depends what you put into it: >>>>> - interpreter + plugins >>>>> - new object/image format (64bit) >>>>> - 64-bit jit >>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > >

June 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package Browser

by Stephan Eggermont

Hi Rob, Good to see you here too. There is no online list of former ESUG board members, is there? You probably want to look at p119-126 in PBE and then some chapters in PBE2: - Managing projects with Metacello - Gofer: Scripting package loading - Versioning your code with Monticello Monticello packages are 'interesting' for someone coming from VW. Infrastructure is changing there, being replaced by RPackage & friends. The package name in Monticello decides which categories belong to it. Stephan

June 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Paul DeBruicker

The VM from the ppa installs just the necessary 32 bit libs for it to run, I think in the VM directory. To run an older VM you have to do it yourself with the ia32-libs:multiarch package. And of course you don't need all the libs provided by that package but I'm not sure what you do and don't need. On 06/27/2013 03:39 PM, ubuntourist wrote: >> You'll need to install ia32-libs:multiarch I think if you haven't. > > That's what I meant about older parts for a newer car. You're right, > but so far, I've managed to avoid putting the 32-bit libraries on this > system. > >> Pharo is 32bits. > > The newer Pharo appears to be 64-bit. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Package browser? > <http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695833.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-28, at 00:40, ubuntourist <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> You'll need to install ia32-libs:multiarch I think if you haven't. > > That's what I meant about older parts for a newer car. You're right, > but so far, I've managed to avoid putting the 32-bit libraries on this > system. > >> Pharo is 32bits. > > The newer Pharo appears to be 64-bit. Nope, there is no 64bit Pharo, yet :/

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by ubuntourist

> You'll need to install ia32-libs:multiarch I think if you haven't. That's what I meant about older parts for a newer car. You're right, but so far, I've managed to avoid putting the 32-bit libraries on this system. > Pharo is 32bits. The newer Pharo appears to be 64-bit. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695833.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Paul DeBruicker

You'll need to install ia32-libs:multiarch I think if you haven't. Pharo is 32bits. On 06/27/2013 03:17 PM, ubuntourist wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Paul DeBruicker [via Smalltalk] > <[hidden email] </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4695827&i=0>> wrote: > >> Its probably more helpful to think of it like learning to drive a car. >> Yes we may want to learn and be taught in the family's brand new car but >> you can get the hang of things equally well in the 7 yr old sedan. The >> differences between not knowing how to drive and knowing how to drive >> are smaller than the differences between the cars. > > Nope. The difference is that one car actually runs, and the other one > requires searching the scrap heap for old parts when you already have > newer parts available. > > $ cd PBE-OneClick-1.1.app > $ ./pharo.sh > ./Contents/Linux/squeakvm: error while loading shared libraries: > libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or > directory > > $ locate libuuid.so.1 > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 > /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1.3.0 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Package browser? > <http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695827.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by ubuntourist

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Paul DeBruicker [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4695816h73(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Its probably more helpful to think of it like learning to drive a car. > Yes we may want to learn and be taught in the family's brand new car but > you can get the hang of things equally well in the 7 yr old sedan. The > differences between not knowing how to drive and knowing how to drive > are smaller than the differences between the cars. Nope. The difference is that one car actually runs, and the other one requires searching the scrap heap for old parts when you already have newer parts available. $ cd PBE-OneClick-1.1.app $ ./pharo.sh ./Contents/Linux/squeakvm: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ locate libuuid.so.1 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libuuid.so.1.3.0 -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695827.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Marcus Denker

On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:05 AM, ubuntourist <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > OK. I surrender. ;-) > > So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + > Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd > need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources > directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? -> either install the ubuntu package OR: -> Download not the One-Click but just the linux version: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 Marcus

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Paul DeBruicker

Yes I think so. On 06/27/2013 03:04 PM, ubuntourist wrote: > OK. I surrender. ;-) > > So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + > Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd > need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources > directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Package browser? > <http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695823.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by ubuntourist

OK. I surrender. ;-) So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695823.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

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