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Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi roland You can run pharo with a UI using the headless mode. in that case you can implement a simple read eval loop that read from standard input and write on stdout. You can also use the -eval command line parameter to get a value of a message Now you can also define a simple ui and disable all the tools. This requires a bit more practice. So let us know. There is also the user manager package that let you control some behavior. Stef >> I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to >> program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's >> questions: >> >> a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - >> just a plain console program? >> >> b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? >> >> Thank you! >> Roland. >> >> >> > Hello everybody, > > Primarilly I just want to catch some experiences with SmallTalk - which > so far I find really exceptional. For doing that I just want to use a > simple input-/output window (could be a 'transcript'?), for something > like that: > > input value > calculate > return value > > If a gave this image to somebody else, I find it necessary to just give > the "program" itself, without all the rest of the image (and ide). > > Thanks, > Roland > > > > -- > Mag. Roland Strasser >

Aug. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, to make you more familiar with existing pharo applications you can check out: http://www.drgeo.eu/ Also Pharo is used for web development. You can follow Sven's tutorial to make some simple web app: http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/build-and-deploy-1st-webapp/ Cheers. Uko ÐÐ°Ð´ÑÑÐ»Ð°Ð½Ð¾ Ð· iPhone 17 ÑÐµÑÐ¿. 2013 Ð¾ 08:32 Roland Strasser <rolstra(a)gmx.at> Ð½Ð°Ð¿Ð¸ÑÐ°Ð²(Ð»Ð°): > On 08/16/2013 08:33 PM, Roland Strasser wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to >> program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's >> questions: >> >> a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - >> just a plain console program? >> >> b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? >> >> Thank you! >> Roland. > Hello everybody, > > Primarilly I just want to catch some experiences with SmallTalk - which > so far I find really exceptional. For doing that I just want to use a > simple input-/output window (could be a 'transcript'?), for something > like that: > > input value > calculate > return value > > If a gave this image to somebody else, I find it necessary to just give > the "program" itself, without all the rest of the image (and ide). > > Thanks, > Roland > > > > -- > Mag. Roland Strasser >

Aug. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by Roland Strasser

On 08/16/2013 08:33 PM, Roland Strasser wrote: > > Hi, > > I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to > program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's > questions: > > a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - > just a plain console program? > > b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? > > Thank you! > Roland. > > > Hello everybody, Primarilly I just want to catch some experiences with SmallTalk - which so far I find really exceptional. For doing that I just want to use a simple input-/output window (could be a 'transcript'?), for something like that: input value calculate return value If a gave this image to somebody else, I find it necessary to just give the "program" itself, without all the rest of the image (and ide). Thanks, Roland -- Mag. Roland Strasser

Aug. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Roland, On 16 Aug 2013, at 20:33, Roland Strasser <rolstra(a)gmx.at> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to > program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's > questions: > > a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - > just a plain console program? > > b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? > > Thank you! > Roland. > Yes, it is perfectly possible to use Pharo Smalltalk to write command line tools. It even works pretty well. But you definitively should use the IDE/GUI during interactive development or you'll miss out on a lot ! Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org

Aug. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by James Foster

Hi Roland, Welcome to Smalltalk. As someone who started with BASIC in the early 1970s, I have seen a few changes in the past 40 years. As you have discovered, the typical Smalltalk experience has a heavy emphasis on a GUI. As to deployment, it is generally more difficult to take things out (browsers, tools, etc.) in Smalltalk than in other environments where there is a more rigid distinction between development and deployment. The first thing to note is that any Pharo image can be deployed with command line arguments that disable the GUI (-vm-display-null and -vm-sound-null). Sometimes we just let the other "stuff" come along for the ride and get ignored. Why go to the trouble to remove it? Next, there is GNU Smalltalk (http://smalltalk.gnu.org/) "The Smalltalk for those who can type"! Check it out. Finally, GemStone/S (http://gemtalksystems.com/index.php/products/gemstones/) is available as a command-line Smalltalk with no native GUI. Let us know what you want your console application to do and we can give more advice. James On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Roland Strasser <rolstra(a)gmx.at> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to > program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's > questions: > > a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - > just a plain console program? > > b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? > > Thank you! > Roland. > > >

Aug. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Laser Game

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 16, 2013, at 11:11 AM, ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, everyone! > I have been working on a tutorial 'how to make a game using smalltalk' and developed this game ( Laser Game ) on Squeak, as it is an example of development on Squeak. I'm learning, so it's a great experience for me. Laser Game is my first game and it's not complicated, but for me it took long time to make. > Links: > 1. http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/ - website of tutorial > 2. http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~MarkRizun/LaserGame/source - Laser Game > Comments are welcome:) I thought that you were doing it on Pharo. It would be good to have it on pharo and to know what are the changes at the morphic level. > Mark > >

Aug. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Beginner's question ...

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi Roland, Can you be more certain? Is your main goal to interact with a final product because you do not have gui (for example web service). Or you just want to develop some application that can be used only with command line etc... Cheers. Uko ÐÐ°Ð´ÑÑÐ»Ð°Ð½Ð¾ Ð· iPhone 16 ÑÐµÑÐ¿. 2013 Ð¾ 21:33 Roland Strasser <rolstra(a)gmx.at> Ð½Ð°Ð¿Ð¸ÑÐ°Ð²(Ð»Ð°): > > Hi, > > I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to > program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's > questions: > > a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - > just a plain console program? > > b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? > > Thank you! > Roland. > >

Aug. 16, 2013

Beginner's question ...

by Roland Strasser

Hi, I have programming experiences with BASIC compilers. I would like to program in a Smalltalk environment; but I have the following newbie's questions: a) Can I deploy an image without all the browsers and other "stuff" - just a plain console program? b) How is it possible to write a console program without gui etc.? Thank you! Roland.

Aug. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] smalltalkhub is down ?

by Benjamin

It also seems that due to a small issue in smalltalkhub, downforeveyone always answers true Ben On Aug 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Great. And thanks :). > > Doru > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I restarted it. > ... and scheduled a task to see what is happening with him :) > > Esteban > > On Aug 15, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Yes, I see the problem, too, since about 10 hours. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Gisela Decuzzi <giseladecuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello I've been working during the day but seems down right now. >> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://smalltalkhub.com says I'm not alone, anyone else has the same problem? >> >> >> 2013/8/8 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >> All day have passed ;) Now it's up. >> >> uko >> >> On 8 ÑÐµÑÐ¿. 2013, at 20:35, Ihor Mykhalevych <ihor.mykhalevych(a)unikernel.net> wrote: >> >>> It's not down, at least it works from my side. >>> >>> Ihor >>> >>> On 08.08.13 10:11, Luc Fabresse wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/8/8 jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>>> Or is it just me ? >>>> >>>> it is not just you: >>>> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://smalltalkhub.com >>>> >>>> Luc >>>> >>>> >>>> Jannik >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Laser Game

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, I think that games are cool, but now you have to port it to Pharo or even Amber. And then write a tutorial for that :) Cheers! Uko ÐÐ°Ð´ÑÑÐ»Ð°Ð½Ð¾ Ð· iPhone 16 ÑÐµÑÐ¿. 2013 Ð¾ 12:11 ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> Ð½Ð°Ð¿Ð¸ÑÐ°Ð²(Ð»Ð°): > Hi, everyone! > I have been working on a tutorial 'how to make a game using smalltalk' and developed this game ( Laser Game ) on Squeak, as it is an example of development on Squeak. I'm learning, so it's a great experience for me. Laser Game is my first game and it's not complicated, but for me it took long time to make. > Links: > 1. http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/ - website of tutorial > 2. http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~MarkRizun/LaserGame/source - Laser Game > Comments are welcome:) > Mark > >

Aug. 16, 2013