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Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour

by Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni)

Yes I am. But I have loaded the Moose and Glamour image into pharo. I am building an HTML5 parser and I want to show the output of the DOM tree in a browser so that the user can move around the tree. I still don't know what exactly I want to do... I am still just trying to see how glamour works and how to run it. It will most probably be a GLMTabulator or a treeWithExpansion. Thank you so much :) From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:39 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour Hi, It seems to me that you are trying to execute the code from Glamour directly in Pharo. However, the book is meant to work with a Moose image in which you already loaded the target case study. This tells me that you need more basic support. So, let's start from the beginning. Could you tell us what you want to do? What should you browser look like. And what do you have in the TreeBrowser? Is the code available? Cheers, Doru On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu<mailto:mha53@mail.aub.edu>> wrote: Actually yes I was using it the wrong way :). I was checking the rendering part of the book and this is what was provided only. I have seen the glimpse section http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse of the book. Unfortunately the example they give does not work. It gives an error subscript out of bound. I have tried to execute TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: self. And it does gives an output but the window is basically empty. I am not sure what the method should take.. From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:41 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour I think you are using Glamour the wrong way :). As I understand, you have a TreeBrowser>>#accumulator method that answers an instance of a GLMAccumulator. In this case, all you have to do is: TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: yourDesiredInputObject. I suggest that you take a look at the "GLMBasicExamples open", and perhaps you can also read the Glamour chapter from the MooseBook (http://themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour) Doru On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu<mailto:mha53@mail.aub.edu>> wrote: I am trying to use the Glamour and as I first step I copied the code provided in the examples and pasted it in a new class called tree browser. I then tried to execute this in my workspace: |browser accum renderer| browser := TreeBrowser new. accum := browser accumulator. renderer := GLMMorphicRenderer new. accum renderGlamorouslyOn: renderer. I thought that executing this would give a window or something but it didn't and I can't figure out how to do so. I don't get any error message or anything. How is it supposed to show a window on the screen? Is there some other command I have to add to display the window? Thank you :) -- www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow" -- www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour

by Tudor Girba

Hi, It seems to me that you are trying to execute the code from Glamour directly in Pharo. However, the book is meant to work with a Moose image in which you already loaded the target case study. This tells me that you need more basic support. So, let's start from the beginning. Could you tell us what you want to do? What should you browser look like. And what do you have in the TreeBrowser? Is the code available? Cheers, Doru On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) < mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote: > Actually yes I was using it the wrong way J. I was checking the > rendering part of the book and this is what was provided only. > I have seen the glimpse section > http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse of the book. > Unfortunately the example they give does not work. It gives an error > subscript out of bound. **** > > > I have tried to execute TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: self. And it > does gives an output but the window is basically empty. I am not sure what > the method should take.. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] *On > Behalf Of *Tudor Girba > *Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:41 PM > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour**** > > ** ** > > I think you are using Glamour the wrong way :).**** > > ** ** > > As I understand, you have a TreeBrowser>>#accumulator method that answers > an instance of a GLMAccumulator. In this case, all you have to do is:**** > > ** ** > > TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: yourDesiredInputObject.**** > > ** ** > > I suggest that you take a look at the "GLMBasicExamples open", and perhaps > you can also read the Glamour chapter from the MooseBook ( > http://themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour).**** > > ** ** > > Doru**** > > ** ** > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) < > mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote:**** > > I am trying to use the Glamour and as I first step I copied the code > provided in the examples and pasted it in a new class called tree browser. > I then tried to execute this in my workspace:**** > > *|browser accum renderer|***** > > *browser := TreeBrowser new.***** > > *accum := browser accumulator.***** > > *renderer := GLMMorphicRenderer new.***** > > *accum renderGlamorouslyOn: renderer. ***** > > * ***** > > I thought that executing this would give a window or something but it > didn't and I can't figure out how to do so. I donât get any error message > or anything. How is it supposed to show a window on the screen? Is there > some other command I have to add to display the window? **** > > **** > > Thank you J**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > www.tudorgirba.com**** > > ** ** > > "Every thing has its own flow"**** > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour

by Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni)

Actually yes I was using it the wrong way :). I was checking the rendering part of the book and this is what was provided only. I have seen the glimpse section http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse of the book. Unfortunately the example they give does not work. It gives an error subscript out of bound. I have tried to execute TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: self. And it does gives an output but the window is basically empty. I am not sure what the method should take.. From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:41 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour I think you are using Glamour the wrong way :). As I understand, you have a TreeBrowser>>#accumulator method that answers an instance of a GLMAccumulator. In this case, all you have to do is: TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: yourDesiredInputObject. I suggest that you take a look at the "GLMBasicExamples open", and perhaps you can also read the Glamour chapter from the MooseBook (http://themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour) Doru On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu<mailto:mha53@mail.aub.edu>> wrote: I am trying to use the Glamour and as I first step I copied the code provided in the examples and pasted it in a new class called tree browser. I then tried to execute this in my workspace: |browser accum renderer| browser := TreeBrowser new. accum := browser accumulator. renderer := GLMMorphicRenderer new. accum renderGlamorouslyOn: renderer. I thought that executing this would give a window or something but it didn't and I can't figure out how to do so. I don't get any error message or anything. How is it supposed to show a window on the screen? Is there some other command I have to add to display the window? Thank you :) -- www.tudorgirba.com<http://www.tudorgirba.com> "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Rendering in Glamour

by Tudor Girba

I think you are using Glamour the wrong way :). As I understand, you have a TreeBrowser>>#accumulator method that answers an instance of a GLMAccumulator. In this case, all you have to do is: TreeBrowser new accumulator openOn: yourDesiredInputObject. I suggest that you take a look at the "GLMBasicExamples open", and perhaps you can also read the Glamour chapter from the MooseBook ( http://themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour) Doru On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) < mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote: > I am trying to use the Glamour and as I first step I copied the code > provided in the examples and pasted it in a new class called tree browser. > I then tried to execute this in my workspace:**** > > *|browser accum renderer|* > > *browser := TreeBrowser new.* > > *accum := browser accumulator.* > > *renderer := GLMMorphicRenderer new.* > > *accum renderGlamorouslyOn: renderer. * > > * * > > I thought that executing this would give a window or something but it > didn't and I can't figure out how to do so. I donât get any error message > or anything. How is it supposed to show a window on the screen? Is there > some other command I have to add to display the window? **** > > ** ** > > Thank you J**** > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2013

Rendering in Glamour

by Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni)

I am trying to use the Glamour and as I first step I copied the code provided in the examples and pasted it in a new class called tree browser. I then tried to execute this in my workspace: |browser accum renderer| browser := TreeBrowser new. accum := browser accumulator. renderer := GLMMorphicRenderer new. accum renderGlamorouslyOn: renderer. I thought that executing this would give a window or something but it didn't and I can't figure out how to do so. I don't get any error message or anything. How is it supposed to show a window on the screen? Is there some other command I have to add to display the window? Thank you :)

Aug. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] The Pharo Advantage: what is it for you?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Thanks everybody for the feedback. I am working on some presentation material based on the feedback. Phil On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Bahman Movaqar <Bahman(a)bahmanm.com> wrote: > On 08/23/2013 13:02, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Hello, > > > > As part of the defense of a budget and technology choices, what would > > you guys list as a key advantage of using Pharo for creating software > > solutions? > > > > My current stack is: > > > > Pharo 2.0 > > Seaside 3 (including Seaside-REST) > > Magritte 3 > > Twitter Bootstrap > > > > + a couple of data storage stuff (DBXTalk, Phriak, Voyage) > > + STOMP > > > > + Amber if needed > > > > I've been test driving the whole stack for a while and even if there > > are some quirks, it looks like good enough for what I want to achieve. > > > > Now, my question: what is the Pharo advantage you would put forward vs > > other choices (like LAMP, Java, Rails etc). > > > > I am aware of what those could be but I am more looking for what makes > > you tick when using the technology (like: "it is fun to work with", > > "no more Java for me, due to ...", "speeds dev time by ...", "not > > NSA-backdoor-enabled") > > > > This is the kind of thing we should have in stock for helping the > > Consortium members get buy in from people giving a yes on budgets. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help! (BTW, I am going to use this on > > monday morning for defending our position on a significant project). > > > > > That's basically what I've been doing in the past 5-6 years ago: > evaluating different platforms, technology combos, libraries, and many a > times I do that for a living --so believe me, I'm good at it :-) > I wrote something about Pharo a few months ago which might help you: > http://www.bahmanm.com/blogs/a-new-platform-for-business-app-development > > -- > Bahman Movaqar (http://BahmanM.com) > > ERP Evaluation, Implementation & Deployment Consultant > PGP Key ID: 0x6AB5BD68 (keyserver2.pgp.com) > > >

Aug. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] The Pharo Advantage: what is it for you?

by Bahman Movaqar

On 08/23/2013 13:02, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Hello, > > As part of the defense of a budget and technology choices, what would > you guys list as a key advantage of using Pharo for creating software > solutions? > > My current stack is: > > Pharo 2.0 > Seaside 3 (including Seaside-REST) > Magritte 3 > Twitter Bootstrap > > + a couple of data storage stuff (DBXTalk, Phriak, Voyage) > + STOMP > > + Amber if needed > > I've been test driving the whole stack for a while and even if there > are some quirks, it looks like good enough for what I want to achieve. > > Now, my question: what is the Pharo advantage you would put forward vs > other choices (like LAMP, Java, Rails etc). > > I am aware of what those could be but I am more looking for what makes > you tick when using the technology (like: "it is fun to work with", > "no more Java for me, due to ...", "speeds dev time by ...", "not > NSA-backdoor-enabled") > > This is the kind of thing we should have in stock for helping the > Consortium members get buy in from people giving a yes on budgets. > > Thanks in advance for your help! (BTW, I am going to use this on > monday morning for defending our position on a significant project). > > That's basically what I've been doing in the past 5-6 years ago: evaluating different platforms, technology combos, libraries, and many a times I do that for a living --so believe me, I'm good at it :-) I wrote something about Pharo a few months ago which might help you: http://www.bahmanm.com/blogs/a-new-platform-for-business-app-development -- Bahman Movaqar (http://BahmanM.com) ERP Evaluation, Implementation & Deployment Consultant PGP Key ID: 0x6AB5BD68 (keyserver2.pgp.com)

Aug. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Trait composition on runtime

by Johan Fabry

On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> Metaprogramming is your friend :-P >> >> Actually this is only half jokingly â¦ one of the ideas of metaprogramming is that the programmer can mold the semantics of the language to his/her liking depending on the task at hand. This (amongst others) is why we can do so many cool things in Smalltalk. For example, when you have a more concrete case of what you are looking for you can build something with method wrappers, or override DNU :-) to do your thing â¦ >> > Sure. I think I deserve it. That's what you get if you ask questions about half baked thoughts :) > > thanks, No problem, I knew you would be able to handle my annoying response :-) And the half-baked thoughts can turn out to be the most fun ones to consider :-) ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Trait composition on runtime

by Norbert Hartl

Am 23.08.2013 um 15:44 schrieb Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 3:48 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >>> would strategy not solve your problem? >>> >> Sure if I would have an actual problem I would use strategy to mitigate the problem. With strategy you can extend the single dimensionality of single inheritance but you cannot acquire new behavior. Or better it is even more cumbersome if you use it to make it acquire new things. >> Or different said: If there is something like a design pattern that is used really often it could be a good idea if the language would support this out of the box, right? Somewhere in between is the reason why I was asking :) > > Metaprogramming is your friend :-P > > Actually this is only half jokingly â¦ one of the ideas of metaprogramming is that the programmer can mold the semantics of the language to his/her liking depending on the task at hand. This (amongst others) is why we can do so many cool things in Smalltalk. For example, when you have a more concrete case of what you are looking for you can build something with method wrappers, or override DNU :-) to do your thing â¦ > Sure. I think I deserve it. That's what you get if you ask questions about half baked thoughts :) thanks, Norbert

Aug. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] The Pharo Advantage: what is it for you?

by Johan Fabry

Wow. This is exactly what I wanted to say â¦ except 10 times better :-) I think this is an excellent way to argue for the Pharo advantage! On Aug 23, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > A small team with sufficient real world software development experience, domain knowledge and practical Pharo experience can be an order of a magnitude more efficient than a larger team using a traditional approach and classic technology. > > Pharo is a uniquely dynamic environment that is both very simple and very powerful. It allows its developers to focus on what really matters, without the complexities of other tools, while remaining very flexible. It is one of the few languages that are really object oriented and offer access to readable source code, all the way down. > > The ecosystem around Pharo is strong enough to be able to deliver already existing solutions as well as the resources to build new solutions to specific problems. > > It is an environment that attracts individuals that deeply care about doing software development correctly. > > ;-) > > Sven ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Aug. 23, 2013