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Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Paul, your last statement turns the whole argument upside down. If theres money needed to build your own store, the whole thing blows up. How many books do you have to sell in order to pay a single developer day, even if it is "free"? How much more could the student do to improve pharo during such a day? If you raise 100%, you still get only around 4 euros more per book.... But I agree: the price difference between 6 and 25 seems strange. Cannot tell you why, but I have a good excuse - it can be found in the linked post: it's psychology! I guess the book is worth far more than 6 Euros. So if you'd ask me, I'd charge a two-digit price and leave the 25 as is. But only if the raise really helps Pharo, not Lulu... Joachim Am 16.09.13 18:55, schrieb Paul DeBruicker: > I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys > right now. > > > How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you > can find a student and some budget to implement something? > > Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to > justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. > > > > > > > On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >>>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >>>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >>>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >>>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >>>> automatically respond to their orders? >>> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to >>> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. >> Oh YES!!! >> We would love to have that. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> > > -- -- â¨----------------------------------------------------------------------- â¨Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de â¨Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Other alternative is to have an online store (Shopify/Gumroad) or any other store to channel all the pharo payments: association, consortium, books, mugs, t-shirts, stickers, everything. We're a small community, so the cost of maintaining it should be a fraction of the income. But it's just an idea. The fact there are no serial numbers, etc, makes the sale easier to process. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/9/16 Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com>: > I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys > right now. > > > How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you > can find a student and some budget to implement something? > > Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to > justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. > > > > > > > On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >>>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >>>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >>>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >>>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >>>> automatically respond to their orders? >>> >>> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to >>> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. >> >> Oh YES!!! >> We would love to have that. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> >> > >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Paul DeBruicker

I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys right now. How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you can find a student and some budget to implement something? Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >>> automatically respond to their orders? >> >> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to >> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. > > Oh YES!!! > We would love to have that. > > Stef > > >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> > >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Seaside Continuous Integration on ci.inria.fr

by Camillo Bruni

Thanks a lot for the update :) On 2013-09-16, at 06:20, Philippe Marschall <kustos(a)gmx.net> wrote: > Please try to keep the build green, otherwise we'll get spammed with emails. I like this ;) > Currently we keep all the build (5GB already). Do we really need this? We live in 2013, 5GB is the data of single movie file I stream ;), so unless the CI guys start to complain, there is no problem in consuming that much space. Would it be possible to use the numeric versions in the CI build? Maybe it is just me, but for seaside I cared more about the numeric version, what do you think? Currently it is #stable => 3.0.X #development => 3.1.X

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > Disclaimer: bikeshedding > > 1. I think you're not charging enough, see: > http://blog.asmartbear.com/selling-ebook.html. Why not PDF version for > 29, physical copy for 35, both for 39, both plus t-shirt for 49? Have a > fat student discount for the PDF. This is a good idea. > > You're selling to a small population of either professionals who make $ > from the info you provide or students. > > > 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download > that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you > contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be > switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF > and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to > automatically respond to their orders? > > > Its my understanding that you're coming out with more books in the > future. It would seem to help all of us if you can maximize the revenue > from that effort as we are a small but committed group. > > > >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >> automatically respond to their orders? > > I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to > build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. Oh YES!!! We would love to have that. Stef > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download > that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you > contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be > switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF > and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to > automatically respond to their orders? I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ can convert latex to epub. epub is > actually a wrapper around html, so if it's written in pier it can be even > easier. thanks for the link. I've just tried and found these first problems: - pandoc doesn't accept $^ in the LaTeX input file. As you can imagine, this character is present everywhere :-) - if I replace all $^ by "return", I managed to compile the Block chapter (see deepIntoPharo.html attached). However, pandoc didn't recognize our listings. If you know a little about pandoc and want to contribute, please try (LaTeX sources are at https://gforge.inria.fr/projects/pharobooks/) The command I used is: pandoc --standalone --table-of-contents --from=latex --to=html --output=deepIntoPharo.html Block/Block.tex -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Paul DeBruicker

On 09/16/2013 07:32 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: >> from this perspective; is there a difference in revenues between printed and >> pdf? > > > normally this is shown when you click on either the "Get PDF" or "Get > printed" buttons on the website. > > For the PDF: you pay 6 â¬, Pharo association gets 4.73â¬ > For the printed edition: you pay 25 â¬, Pharo association gets 11.44â¬ > Disclaimer: bikeshedding 1. I think you're not charging enough, see: http://blog.asmartbear.com/selling-ebook.html. Why not PDF version for 29, physical copy for 35, both for 39, both plus t-shirt for 49? Have a fat student discount for the PDF. You're selling to a small population of either professionals who make $ from the info you provide or students. 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to automatically respond to their orders? Its my understanding that you're coming out with more books in the future. It would seem to help all of us if you can maximize the revenue from that effort as we are a small but committed group.

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by jannik laval

Thank you for the report. I fixed it. Jannik 2013/9/16 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > Yeap, it is english. I was about to report the same thing. > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2013/9/16 Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi, >> >> I suppose it is en error, but PDF version on lulu page says it is in >> French language. >> It is in English, isn't it? >> >> Thank you for the great job! >> >> Cheers, >> Jura >> >> >> El 16-09-2013, a las 11:24, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> >> escribiÃ³: >> >> Hi, >> >> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book >> >> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/ >> >> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it. >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> >> > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu

Sept. 16, 2013