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Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Camillo Bruni

I can confirm the problem with #trimBoth, strange though that it does not simply override the system version but removes it. On 2013-09-24, at 19:35, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Ok, the cause should be that a project I loaded pulled in Grease from squeaksource/Seaside30. In the package Grease-Core-NickAger.70 there are method extensions for String>>#trimBoth et al. For the current pharo these are overrides. So probably seaside tried to update grease and thus removing the methods from the system. As this is a image for playing I loaded all kinds of stuff so I need some time to figure out which package it was. > > Norbert > > Am 25.09.2013 um 00:09 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > >> Strange the build is green: >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ >> >> What kind of error do you get? >> Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? >> >> On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? >>> >>> Norbert >> > >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Norbert Hartl

Ok, the cause should be that a project I loaded pulled in Grease from squeaksource/Seaside30. In the package Grease-Core-NickAger.70 there are method extensions for String>>#trimBoth et al. For the current pharo these are overrides. So probably seaside tried to update grease and thus removing the methods from the system. As this is a image for playing I loaded all kinds of stuff so I need some time to figure out which package it was. Norbert Am 25.09.2013 um 00:09 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > Strange the build is green: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ > > What kind of error do you get? > Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? > > On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? >> >> Norbert >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by phil＠highoctane.be

This is how I load it at the moment. http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOWebStack It would be great to have TwitterBoostrap on smalltalkhub as well as it still lives on SS3. In 3.0 the status/ app is broken. 3.1 fixes it but I've but my own things in there. It works with one app, albeit I do have some issues I'll look after tomorrow morning as I am developing a new application based on that codebase. Phil

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Norbert Hartl

Ok, I loaded some other packages before seaside. From a fresh image I get only a warning when loading. Need to investigate more. Norbert Am 25.09.2013 um 00:09 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > Strange the build is green: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ > > What kind of error do you get? > Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? > > On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? >> >> Norbert >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Norbert Hartl

Am 25.09.2013 um 00:09 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > Strange the build is green: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ > > What kind of error do you get? > Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? > What version does it load? And the build is building grease first and seaside as an artefact copy build-upon. Metacello is IMHO able to different things if you load the things separately. I'm trying to load grease first, too. Norbert > On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? >> >> Norbert >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Norbert Hartl

Am 25.09.2013 um 00:09 schrieb Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > Strange the build is green: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ > > What kind of error do you get? > Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? > It is an image I pulled just from get.pharo.org. The problem is that String>>#trimBoth is missing. The basic image has it. After trying to load seaside I see that there are *grease-core extensions on the same method. What is really strange is that the trimBoth message is missing while loading. That shouldn't even happen for overrides. Until now I don't have more information. norbert > On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? >> >> Norbert >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to load seaside currently?

by Camillo Bruni

Strange the build is green: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/ What kind of error do you get? Does it happen the same way when you download on of the images from Jenkins? On 2013-09-24, at 19:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? > > Norbert

Sept. 24, 2013

How to load seaside currently?

by Norbert Hartl

When loading seaside3 from the configuration browser it will break the image badly. It isn't even possible to open a system browser after that. What is the best way to load it manually? Or better is there something new so the configuration browser can be directed to a better config? Norbert

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Capturing messages

by Goubier Thierry

There is also a code tracer working in 2.0 that I maintain and use from time to time, called Jejak. It would require a small extension and recompiling a lot of methods, but it could be made to trace and record all method entries (taking care of not tracing its own code :)). It will slow down the VM by a significant amount, of course. Thierry Le 24/09/2013 16:30, Alejandro Pulver a Ã©crit : > Thanks for the idea, I'll try emulating shotgun sequencing by increasing > the sampling rate for short periods of time. > > But a better alternative would be to enable and disable the simulator > (context's runSimulated) for exact sequences (even if shorter, to avoid > slowdowns). Is it possible with the current implementation? > > It's not that I don't appreciate the ideas for the new reflection > framework. but I'm looking for something to use for this project. And we > have only a few weeks. Actually, the most important part is not the > system integration but analyzing the structure of those message > sequences (like word analysis in natural language processing). > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Alejandro Pulver <alepulver(a)gmail.com > <mailto:alepulver@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > I see. But what about sampling? It shouldn't slow down the > program nearly as much as these "instrumentation" like mechanisms. > > > > And as I'm going to count them anyways, missing the most unused > ones won't be such a problem. > > > > That combined with complete capture for a small run (like a test > or block) would be enough for our needs. > > > > > > Yes, one could just use some random selection (I really like the > idea of shotgun sequencingâ¦ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_sequencing) > The resulting information should be quite good. > > But the first step is that we need a really good, very dynamic, very > general and powerful basisâ¦ this is what we want to build > with Reflectivity2 (and Reflectivity3 will have to hook deeper into > the JIT of the VM, but that is another story). > > Related to step 3), another source for interesting data is the VM > itself (e.g. caches). > > But step by stepâ¦ > > The idea is to take the new possibilities we have in Pharo3 and make > a well engineered realization of partial behavioral reflection, > with two extensions: > -> meta links on instance variables. Very cool > possibilities now that instance variables are reified objects ("Slot") > -> object specific meta links by integrating with a good > proxy implementation > > This will already bring amazing capabilities to the system (and > subsume MethodWrappers, simple CLOS style MOPs, perfect for > breakpoints, watchpoints and debugging in general, and it can be > the basis for AOP like things). > > Marcus > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Capturing messages

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Alejandro Pulver <alepulver(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the idea, I'll try emulating shotgun sequencing by increasing the sampling rate for short periods of time. > > But a better alternative would be to enable and disable the simulator (context's runSimulated) for exact sequences (even if shorter, to avoid slowdowns). Is it possible with the current implementation? > The problem is that runSimulated is *very* slow as it interpretes bytecode using an interpreter written in Smalltalk. Maybe an idea would be to use some sampling that uses VM Supportâ¦ I don't know much about it, though. See MessageTally and AndreasSystemProfiler. > It's not that I don't appreciate the ideas for the new reflection framework. but I'm looking for something to use for this project. And we have only a few weeks. Actually, the most important part is not the system integration but analyzing the structure of those message sequences (like word analysis in natural language processing). > Yes, I understand. We are working hard to improve the systemâ¦ but it's a lot of work. Marcus

Sept. 24, 2013