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May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] New type of web application using HTML, CSS and Smalltalk

by Konrad Hinsen

Hi Erik, > So it could be a way of creating standalone web applications. If that was > the thought behind the question. Exactly. Even better, a standalone application that could be hosted on a plain static server, since all the code would run client-side. > I did use this mechanism of creating snapshots in an attempt to strip down a > regular Pharo image and create the small image to run inside the browser. > Until I decided that route was longer than doing the bootstrap route of > creating an image from scratch ;-). That's also something I have been wanting to look at... why are days so short? ;-) Konrad

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor question 4

by Richard O'Keefe

The irony is that the code I was responding to ISN'T obviously correct. Indeed, I found it rather puzzling. The problem specification says that the input string may contain digits AND SPACES. The original message includes this: Strings of length 1 or less are not valid. Spaces are allowed in the input, but they should be stripped before checking. All other non-digit characters are disallowed. Now it isn't clear what "disallowed" means. I took it to mean "may occur and should simply mean the input is rejected as invalid." Perhaps "may not occur" was the intention. So we shall not quibble about such characters. But I can't for the life of me figure out how Trygve's code checks for spaces. One reason this is an issue is that the behaviour of #digitValue is not consistent between systems. Character space digitValue does not exist in the ANSI standard answers -1 in many Smalltalks (which is a pain) answers a positive integer that can't be mistake for a digit in my Smalltalk raises an exception in some Smalltalks. This is a comment I now have in my Smalltalk library for #digitValue "This is in the Blue Book, but unspecified on non-digits. Squeak, Pharo, Dolphin, VW, VAST, and Apple Smalltalk-80 answer -1 for characters that are not digits (or ASCII letters), which is unfortunate but consistent with Inside Smalltalk which specifies this result for non-digits. ST/X and GST raise an exception which is worse. Digitalk ST/V documentation doesn't specify the result. This selector is *much* easier to use safely if it returns a 'large' (>= 36) value for non-digits." Let's compare three versions, the two I compared last time, and the "version A" code I discussed before, which to my mind is fairly readable. "Don't add slowness": 1 (normalised time) "Trygve's code": 6.5 "High level code": 30.6 (or 4.7 times slower than Trygve's) Here's the "High level code". ^(aString allSatisfy: [:each | each isSpace or: [each isDigit]]) and: [ |digitsReverse| digitsReverse := (aString select: [:each | each isDigit]) reverse. digitsReverse size > 1 and: [ |evens odds evenSum oddSum| odds := digitsReverse withIndexSelect: [:y :i | i odd]. evens := digitsReverse withIndexSelect: [:x :i | i even]. oddSum := odds detectSum: [:y | y digitValue]. evenSum := evens detectSum: [:x | #(0 2 4 6 8 1 3 5 7 9) at: x digitValue + 1]. (oddSum + evenSum) \\ 10 = 0]] This is the kind of code I was recommending that Roelof write. As a rough guide, by counting traversals (including ones inside existing methods), I'd expect the "high level" code to be at least 10 times slower than the "no added slowness" code. We are in vehement agreement that there is a time to write high level really obvious easily testable and debuggable code, and that's most of the time, especially with programming exercises. I hope that we are also in agreement that factors of 30 (or even 6) *can* be a serious problem. I mean, if I wanted something that slow, I'd use Ruby. I hope we are also agreed that (with the exception of investigations like this one) the time to hack on something to make it faster is AFTER you have profiled it and determined that you have a problem. But I respectfully suggest that there is a difference taking slowness OUT and simply not going out of your way to add slowness in the first place. I'd also like to remark that my preference for methods that traverse a sequence exactly once has more to do with Smalltalk protocols than with efficiency. If the only method I perform on an object is #do: the method will work just as well for readable streams as for collections. If the only method I perform on an object is #reverseDo: the method will work just as well for Read[Write]Streams as for SequenceReadableCollections, at least in my library. It's just like trying to write #mean so that it works for Durations as well as Numbers. Oh heck, I suppose I should point out that much of the overheads in this case could be eliminated by a Self-style compiler doing dynamic inlining + loop fusion. There's no reason *in principle*, given enough people, money, and time, that the differences couldn't be greatly reduced in Pharo. On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 21:50, Trygve Reenskaug <trygver(a)ifi.uio.no> wrote: > > Richard, > > Thank you for looking at the code. It is comforting to learn that the code has been executed for a large number of examples without breaking. The code is not primarily written for execution but for being read and checked by the human end user. It would be nice if we could also check that it gave the right answers, but I don't know how to do that. > > The first question is: Can a human domain expert read the code and sign their name for its correctness? > > > When this is achieved, a programming expert will transcribe the first code to a professional quality program. This time, the second code should be reviewed by an independent programmer who signs their name for its correct transcription from the first version. > > --Trygve > > PS: In his 1991 Turing Award Lecture, Tony Hoare said: "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." > > --Trygve > > On tirsdag.05.05.2020 04:41, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > > As a coding experiment, I adapted Trygve Reenskoug's code to my > Smalltalk compiler, put in my code slightly tweaked, and benchmarked > them on randomly generated data. > > Result: a factor of 6.3. > > In Squeak it was a factor of ten. > > I had not, in all honesty, expected it to to be so high. > > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 02:00, Trygve Reenskaug <trygver(a)ifi.uio.no> wrote: > > A coding experiment. > Consider a Scrum development environment. Every programming team has an end user as a member. > The team's task is to code a credit card validity check. > A first goal is that the user representative shall read the code and agree that it is a correct rendering of their code checker: > > luhnTest: trialNumber > | s1 odd s2 even charValue reverse | > ----------------------------------------------- > " Luhn test according to Rosetta" > "Reverse the order of the digits in the number." > reverse := trialNumber reversed. > "Take the first, third, ... and every other odd digit in the reversed digits and sum them to form the partial sum s1" > s1 := 0. > odd := true. > reverse do: > [:char | > odd > ifTrue: [ > s1 := s1 + char digitValue. > ]. > odd := odd not > ]. > "Taking the second, fourth ... and every other even digit in the reversed digits: > Multiply each digit by two and sum the digits if the answer is greater than nine to form partial sums for the even digits" > "The subtracting 9 gives the same answer. " > "Sum the partial sums of the even digits to form s2" > s2 := 0. > even := false. > reverse do: > [:char | > even > ifTrue: [ > charValue := char digitValue * 2. > charValue > 9 ifTrue: [charValue := charValue - 9]. > s2 := s2 + charValue > ]. > even := even not > ]. > "If s1 + s2 ends in zero then the original number is in the form of a valid credit card number as verified by the Luhn test." > ^(s1 + s2) asString last = $0 > --------------------------------- > Once this step is completed, the next step will be to make the code right without altering the algorithm (refactoring). The result should be readable and follow the team's conventions. > > > P.S. code attached. > > > -- > > The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborate to achieve a goal. > Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver(a)ifi.uio.no > Morgedalsvn. 5A http://folk.uio.no/trygver/ > N-0378 Oslo http://fullOO.info > Norway Tel: (+47) 468 58 625

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor question 4

by Trygve Reenskaug

Richard, Thank you for looking at the code. It is comforting to learn that the code has been executed for a large number of examples without breaking. The code is not primarily written for execution but for being read and checked by the human end user. It would be nice if we could also check that it gave the right answers, but I don't know how to do that. */The first question is: Can a human domain expert read the code and sign their name for its correctness?/* When this is achieved, a programming expert will transcribe the first code to a professional quality program. This time, the second code should be reviewed by an independent programmer who signs their name for its correct transcription from the first version. --Trygve PS: In his 1991 Turing Award Lecture, Tony Hoare said: /"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."/ --Trygve On tirsdag.05.05.2020 04:41, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > As a coding experiment, I adapted Trygve Reenskoug's code to my > Smalltalk compiler, put in my code slightly tweaked, and benchmarked > them on randomly generated data. > > Result: a factor of 6.3. > > In Squeak it was a factor of ten. > > I had not, in all honesty, expected it to to be so high. > > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 02:00, Trygve Reenskaug <trygver(a)ifi.uio.no> wrote: >> A coding experiment. >> Consider a Scrum development environment. Every programming team has an end user as a member. >> The team's task is to code a credit card validity check. >> A first goal is that the user representative shall read the code and agree that it is a correct rendering of their code checker: >> >> luhnTest: trialNumber >> | s1 odd s2 even charValue reverse | >> ----------------------------------------------- >> " Luhn test according to Rosetta" >> "Reverse the order of the digits in the number." >> reverse := trialNumber reversed. >> "Take the first, third, ... and every other odd digit in the reversed digits and sum them to form the partial sum s1" >> s1 := 0. >> odd := true. >> reverse do: >> [:char | >> odd >> ifTrue: [ >> s1 := s1 + char digitValue. >> ]. >> odd := odd not >> ]. >> "Taking the second, fourth ... and every other even digit in the reversed digits: >> Multiply each digit by two and sum the digits if the answer is greater than nine to form partial sums for the even digits" >> "The subtracting 9 gives the same answer. " >> "Sum the partial sums of the even digits to form s2" >> s2 := 0. >> even := false. >> reverse do: >> [:char | >> even >> ifTrue: [ >> charValue := char digitValue * 2. >> charValue > 9 ifTrue: [charValue := charValue - 9]. >> s2 := s2 + charValue >> ]. >> even := even not >> ]. >> "If s1 + s2 ends in zero then the original number is in the form of a valid credit card number as verified by the Luhn test." >> ^(s1 + s2) asString last = $0 >> --------------------------------- >> Once this step is completed, the next step will be to make the code right without altering the algorithm (refactoring). The result should be readable and follow the team's conventions. >> >> >> P.S. code attached. -- /The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborateto achieve a goal. / Trygve Reenskaug mailto: trygver(a)ifi.uio.no <mailto:%20trygver@ifi.uio.no> Morgedalsvn. 5A http://folk.uio.no/trygver/ N-0378 Oslo http://fullOO.info NorwayÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Tel: (+47) 468 58 625

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] New type of web application using HTML, CSS and Smalltalk

by Erik Stel

Hi Konrad, Correct, the minimal image is running on SqueakJS VM. You can find info here: https://squeak.js.org Interesting question regarding deployment. In my current setup you do need the server, but it is not unrealistic to have a setup in which at some point the client is asked to create a snapshot. The SqueakJS VM does allow this. This snapshot could be stored somewhere as a final application. It could even be possible to stop the communicator and remove it (as well as a few other classes) from the image before taking the snapshot and kind of sealing the application like that. So it could be a way of creating standalone web applications. If that was the thought behind the question. I did use this mechanism of creating snapshots in an attempt to strip down a regular Pharo image and create the small image to run inside the browser. Until I decided that route was longer than doing the bootstrap route of creating an image from scratch ;-). Regards, Erik -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 8 - OSProcess or OSSubProcess or ?

by tbrunz

Hi Paul, This blog post from Christopher Fuhrman may answer your question: https://fuhrmanator.github.io/2019/03/16/LibC-Pharo-experiments.html -Ted -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 8 - OSProcess or OSSubProcess or ?

by Paul DeBruicker

Thanks Torsten That definitely works great. Sometimes I mistype the commands. Is there a way to get the error rather than an empty string? e.g. running LibC resultOfCommand: 'dur' gives an empty string rather than sh: dur: command not found ? Paul Torsten Bergmann wrote > Hi Paul, > > you can use: > > LibC resultOfCommand: 'dir' > > which is part of standard image. > > Bye > T. > > >> Gesendet: Montag, 04. Mai 2020 um 20:05 Uhr >> Von: "PAUL DEBRUICKER" < > pdebruic@ > > >> An: "Any question about pharo is welcome" < > pharo-users@.pharo > > >> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Pharo 8 - OSProcess or OSSubProcess or ? >> >> Hi - >> >> What is the recommended way to run a shell command from Pharo 8 and >> get the output from stdout into the image? >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor question 4

by Richard O'Keefe

As a coding experiment, I adapted Trygve Reenskoug's code to my Smalltalk compiler, put in my code slightly tweaked, and benchmarked them on randomly generated data. Result: a factor of 6.3. In Squeak it was a factor of ten. I had not, in all honesty, expected it to to be so high. On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 02:00, Trygve Reenskaug <trygver(a)ifi.uio.no> wrote: > > A coding experiment. > Consider a Scrum development environment. Every programming team has an end user as a member. > The team's task is to code a credit card validity check. > A first goal is that the user representative shall read the code and agree that it is a correct rendering of their code checker: > > luhnTest: trialNumber > | s1 odd s2 even charValue reverse | > ----------------------------------------------- > " Luhn test according to Rosetta" > "Reverse the order of the digits in the number." > reverse := trialNumber reversed. > "Take the first, third, ... and every other odd digit in the reversed digits and sum them to form the partial sum s1" > s1 := 0. > odd := true. > reverse do: > [:char | > odd > ifTrue: [ > s1 := s1 + char digitValue. > ]. > odd := odd not > ]. > "Taking the second, fourth ... and every other even digit in the reversed digits: > Multiply each digit by two and sum the digits if the answer is greater than nine to form partial sums for the even digits" > "The subtracting 9 gives the same answer. " > "Sum the partial sums of the even digits to form s2" > s2 := 0. > even := false. > reverse do: > [:char | > even > ifTrue: [ > charValue := char digitValue * 2. > charValue > 9 ifTrue: [charValue := charValue - 9]. > s2 := s2 + charValue > ]. > even := even not > ]. > "If s1 + s2 ends in zero then the original number is in the form of a valid credit card number as verified by the Luhn test." > ^(s1 + s2) asString last = $0 > --------------------------------- > Once this step is completed, the next step will be to make the code right without altering the algorithm (refactoring). The result should be readable and follow the team's conventions. > > > P.S. code attached.

May 5, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 8 - OSProcess or OSSubProcess or ?

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi Paul, you can use: LibC resultOfCommand: 'dir' which is part of standard image. Bye T. > Gesendet: Montag, 04. Mai 2020 um 20:05 Uhr > Von: "PAUL DEBRUICKER" <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > An: "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: [Pharo-users] Pharo 8 - OSProcess or OSSubProcess or ? > > Hi - > > What is the recommended way to run a shell command from Pharo 8 and get the output from stdout into the image? > > > Thanks > > Paul >

May 4, 2020

[ANN] Willow-SpinKit v8.0.0 [v8.0.0] released!

by Buenos Aires Smalltalk

May 4, 2020