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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by kmo

It's called Phobos. Thanks, but my question was a general one - I wasn't looking for an immediate alternative to Morphic. Ken -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by Hilaire Fernandes

Hello, For Desktop application you can use Pharo+XUL. Pavel mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, I forgot the name but the archive will tell you Hilaire Le 11/01/2014 14:39, kmo a Ã©crit : > i was just wondering whether there were any /definite/ plans to free Morphic > from the one window restriction - apart from the obvious/ it will be done > when someone gets the time/ inclination/ money to do it/? > > Is this something we can expect in Pharo 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0? > > The current limitation is not a problem if your app uses a large window and > all its other windows can fit easily inside it - but if you have a small > application with a small main window (for example a minesweeper or soduku > game) then you can't even fit in the load/save game dialog. > > I know I'm not saying anything new, but I was just wondering whether this > was on a roadmap somewhere. > > ken > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by Igor Stasenko

On 11 January 2014 15:01, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No, there are no official plans. There are plans to free pharo from the > evil window initialization through vm, but no multiwindows support. > But there are some no official plans to do it, and one of them is my own > (Mars) which will allow you to dispatch morphs in separated windows, but is > not usable (and it will not be for some time). > > yes, but morphic is not alpha and omega. once we will be able to free ourselves from 1 window 1 display slavery, it will open much more options. > Esteban > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 14:39, kmo <voxkmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > i was just wondering whether there were any /definite/ plans to free > Morphic > > from the one window restriction - apart from the obvious/ it will be done > > when someone gets the time/ inclination/ money to do it/? > > > > Is this something we can expect in Pharo 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0? > > > > The current limitation is not a problem if your app uses a large window > and > > all its other windows can fit easily inside it - but if you have a small > > application with a small main window (for example a minesweeper or soduku > > game) then you can't even fit in the load/save game dialog. > > > > I know I'm not saying anything new, but I was just wondering whether this > > was on a roadmap somewhere. > > > > ken > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by Igor Stasenko

On 11 January 2014 14:39, kmo <voxkmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i was just wondering whether there were any /definite/ plans to free > Morphic > from the one window restriction - apart from the obvious/ it will be done > when someone gets the time/ inclination/ money to do it/? > > Is this something we can expect in Pharo 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0? > > The current limitation is not a problem if your app uses a large window and > all its other windows can fit easily inside it - but if you have a small > application with a small main window (for example a minesweeper or soduku > game) then you can't even fit in the load/save game dialog. > > I know I'm not saying anything new, but I was just wondering whether this > was on a roadmap somewhere. > > yes. it is. and actively under development now. > ken > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by kmo

I had a quick look at Mars and thought it was fantastic! I was really impressed by the demo. is Mars still being improved/ developed? I haven't heard anything new for a couple of months. Ken -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by Esteban Lorenzano

No, there are no official plans. There are plans to free pharo from the evil window initialization through vm, but no multiwindows support. But there are some no official plans to do it, and one of them is my own (Mars) which will allow you to dispatch morphs in separated windows, but is not usable (and it will not be for some time). Esteban On 11 Jan 2014, at 14:39, kmo <voxkmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i was just wondering whether there were any /definite/ plans to free Morphic > from the one window restriction - apart from the obvious/ it will be done > when someone gets the time/ inclination/ money to do it/? > > Is this something we can expect in Pharo 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0? > > The current limitation is not a problem if your app uses a large window and > all its other windows can fit easily inside it - but if you have a small > application with a small main window (for example a minesweeper or soduku > game) then you can't even fit in the load/save game dialog. > > I know I'm not saying anything new, but I was just wondering whether this > was on a roadmap somewhere. > > ken > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 11, 2014

Pharo and the Morphic one window limitation

by kmo

i was just wondering whether there were any /definite/ plans to free Morphic from the one window restriction - apart from the obvious/ it will be done when someone gets the time/ inclination/ money to do it/? Is this something we can expect in Pharo 4.0 or 5.0 or 6.0? The current limitation is not a problem if your app uses a large window and all its other windows can fit easily inside it - but if you have a small application with a small main window (for example a minesweeper or soduku game) then you can't even fit in the load/save game dialog. I know I'm not saying anything new, but I was just wondering whether this was on a roadmap somewhere. ken -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-the-Morphic-one-window-limitation-tp4735921… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Phratch acknowledgement?

by jannik.laval

On Jan 10, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > 2014/1/10 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > Hi Bernat, > > You should contact > > To me, I thought that they are not really two projects but one: a new name and a new developer. > Both was needed: You paved the way and it was very sad that the sorry state of the code base > burned you! > > Indeed, and I'm really happy to see our effort was not in vain! The way we were headed, we would have never gotten where Phratch is now... > > I think this shows the power of open source: Even when you have to give up in the end, it can > be that the work was not for nothing and the code starts to have new liveâ¦ > > What will be interesting what comes outâ¦ e.g. someone could take this great stuff: http://s4a.cat > and combine it with Phratch... > > Actually, the S4A guys are ourselves here at Citilab! Merging sounds like a really good idea, and since I've been working to get Snap4Arduino working (http://s4a.cat/snap) and the server runs on Pharo, it should not be difficult to merge Phratch with part of that code to get S4A to work on Pharo 2.0. I'll see what I can do in this direction. Hum interesting, I will try it. Now, If you want to add it in Phratch, it is really easy. I will write a small doc to explain how to do that. How do you communicate with the Arduino ? Is it a plugin ? Jannik > > Best, > Bernat. > > -- > Bernat Romagosa.

Jan. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Phratch acknowledgement?

by jannik.laval

On Jan 10, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jannik, > > Thanks, that's all we needed! :) > > Sorry, I missed the email to the phratch list, otherwise I'd have written there in the first place. No problem ;) Jannik > > Cheers, > Bernat. > > > 2014/1/10 jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> > Dear Bernat, > > I will be happy to add something about Scat on the website (I already added a sentence to fix this issue). > Now, we can probably do better together. > > I am sorry for this omission, I made the google code page too fast and I have to do it better (It is on my todo list !). > > You can also contact us on the phratch mailing-list: phratch(a)googlegroups.com > > Cheers, > Jannik > > > > > 2014/1/10 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > You are right, Bernat: in open source we build on an immense amount of work done by many developers all over the world and we should always recognise that properly, that is only fair. > > At least for me, I contribute to open source just because I am grateful for what I received and I want to give something back. > > Open source software is a prime example of planet wide human collaboration as it should be. > > Hopefully your request will be heard by those who can fix the (probably unintentional) omission. > > Sven > > On 10 Jan 2014, at 16:52, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm not sure this is the proper place to discuss this, but I just felt I had to write it down. > > > > I've just been taking a look at the Phratch GoogleCode site and I've noticed there is not a single mention of where the project comes from... As an opposite example, when Phratch started out a couple years ago, we were really fast and careful to put out a notice in the Scat site letting people know that the project had been taken over by another team. > > > > We spent months filing out code from Scratch -a Squeak 2.8 image with barely any tools available-, we fixed hundreds of issues, we recorded screenshots, we documented every step we followed, we implemented a way to save and load projects via Fuel, we got the original Scratch media plugins to work, etc. but there is no mention of any of this anywhere. > > > > The amount of work we put in the -unfortunately named- Scat project is huge. We spent more than a year (even some 3-4 months full-time) in it, and I don't think it's egocentric at all to ask for a little recognition of who were the people behind the original project and what was the state of Scat when the Phratch team took over. > > > > I don't mean to sound angry, I'm not. I'm sure no information was omitted in bad faith, but recognition of other people's work is something I take very seriously. > > > > :) > > > > Best, > > Bernat. > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa.

Jan. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal visualizations

by Pablo EstefÃ³

Hi Rosario, Vanessa Pena is working on building visualisations in Roassal using data from twitter. Maybe she could guide you. We have examples in our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ObjectProfile Cheers, Pablo On Jan 10, 2014, at 12:52, Rosario Santa Marina <rosariosantamarina1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to develop some Twitter data visualizations using Roassal. I want to know if there are a complete list of builders and visualizations that are already implemented which i could use. > > Thanks, > Rosario

Jan. 10, 2014