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Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Nicolai Hess

I tried a fresh Pharo-30782.image but I can not reproduce this errors. I am on a Windows 7 machine. When I am at home I can try to run this image on an older Windows XP machine. 2014-02-26 11:07 GMT+01:00 Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com>: > I did a fresh 3.0 install when I got the latest walkback ... I had not > even dropped in the files from latest.zip yet. > > I have insomnia, so please bear with me ... I should be asleep at this > hour ... > > debug log attached > > BTW - Why are we not naming these log files for the image that was > running when the log was written ? > > r > > > > > On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >> >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for >> > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil >> > >> > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that >> toggle back. >> > >> > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be >> unstable ? >> >> I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. >> >> BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, >> it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so >> issues are always possible. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:30, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." > > This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak and have been using Pharo since Seaside first ran on it - if not earlier than that ... > > I also received from another on the mail list > > "and in fact I cannot reproduce it." > > "And in fact" is such a wicked rhetorical move ... in a game I have lost all interest in playing now that I am retired. it is not. it was just saying that I tried your problem and I could not reproduce it. It was not to been rethorical or anything, just pointing a fact. Iâm interested (and is also my job) on having the best and stable version of Pharo possible. Iâm so interested that I was at 10min from leaving a my house to take an 10h fly and I sit to try to reproduce your problem. So, pleaseâ¦ do not misinterpret the contents of the mail. It was an attempt to have an understanding of the problem, in an effort to help. An effort, btw, that sometimes is not easy, because we do not have all the elements to make the diagnosticâ¦ > > It may take me a lot of effort to track these 2 bugs down as far as "Follow these steps to reproduce" .. but then I am not a CONSORTIUM member ( I used to pay big bucks for Smalltalk, back in the day ) so may be I am too far outside the "whole community".... btw. The community is here. In this list. Around the list. Consortium is for companies willing to contribute with some money support (and so is the association for individuals), because things cost effort and effort implies time and time implies money. We always try to solve the problems of everybody (we, the community, including yourself), because thatâs the best for allâ¦ so do not put yourself outside in a way we never say/act/even think about. We want to help you. > > I will spare you my plot's view of the term "stable" and the notion of stability ... and will be sure I rename key files as I go along ... [ why are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple images in the same dir ? ] Your pov about stability can be ok. What is not ok is such amount of negativity over a simple fact: we has not been able to reproduce your problem (but you avoid the other obvious fact: we tried to reproduce it. So we did not ignored you). Again, I try to help, as everybody in the communityâ¦ but such a negative over-reaction is probably just compared to my own overeacted answer :) Esteban > > ciao > > > > On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

"BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak and have been using Pharo since Seaside first ran on it - if not earlier than that ... I also received from another on the mail list "and in fact I cannot reproduce it." "And in fact" is such a wicked rhetorical move ... in a game I have lost all interest in playing now that I am retired. It may take me a lot of effort to track these 2 bugs down as far as "Follow these steps to reproduce" .. but then I am not a CONSORTIUM member ( I used to pay big bucks for Smalltalk, back in the day ) so may be I am too far outside the "whole community".... btw. I will spare you my plot's view of the term "stable" and the notion of stability ... and will be sure I rename key files as I go along ... [ why are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple images in the same dir ? ] ciao On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable > ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, > it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so > issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

and maybe not easy to reproduce in 30782 On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable > ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, > it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so > issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 26 Feb 2014, at 10:54, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > this must be Windows XP 3.1 issue ... I hope some other Windows users can reply, but it sure looks like a very fundamental local problem...

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

and I will also now re-name this file output (see attached) On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable > ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, > it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so > issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] New methods for the String class

by Norbert Hartl

Am 26.02.2014 um 09:50 schrieb Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: >> >> We can have an information retrieval API for aproximate string matching, i.e. Levenshtein distance (already implemented, various versions), Hamming distance, both are the most used and simplest edit distances. >> Then you have Longest common subsequence, Longest common substring (they are implemented in a package called "Fuzz", #longestCommonSubsequenceWith: ). Also there is the shift-or adapted for approximate matches (also implemented), fuzzy phrasing is another world also. Many applications use Damerau edit distance. Bioinformatics uses the Needleman-Wunsch and Smith-Waterman, but they call them "aligners" :) but you don't want to code the optimized version in Smalltalk, some say it could take years. >> All edit distances out there have specific requirements and no one is better than another for all cases. For example Jaro-Winkler is useful for one-word short strings. >> > > Iâm not sure that all these edit distances should be part of the String core api. > Now what would be good is to have a chapter describing them. This chapter would work well with the bioSmalltalk one :) > Iâm pretty sure they shouldnât. Most of these are most likely for special applications. So a perfect candidate for a string extension package. A real modular entity that could load each of them individually would be perfect but we donât have the proper tools, yet. Unless of course every of those algorithms is composed of multiple classes and would fit naturally in a package. But the most important prerequisite would be to make a separate package out of it. Did I understand that right that those are part of biosmalltalk? Then the problem is that useful things are buried in a specialized application. I encounter this often that I donât know about some code because it is buried inside another project. Or I know about it and cannot use it because it is tied closely to a project. my 2 cents, Norbert > >> You have a lot of options for research. Smalltalkers here are very experienced and clever, always gives cool advices so don't be afraid to ask. >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Daniela Meneses

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

"And in fact" I hit another walkback before I could reproduce it in a fresh 3.0 beta install On 26 February 2014 02:49, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > and even if it would be unstableâ¦ issues needs to be always reported, is > the only way to be aware :) > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 07:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Nautilus is not unstable. > That should not be happening and in fact I cannot reproduce it. > Please report. > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable ? > > thanks > > I'll go back to my older 3.0 candidate for now ... > > R > > > On 25 February 2014 19:02, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> none >> >> just download this one: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/image/30/latest.zip >> >> is always the latest effective build. >> >> Esteban >> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 21:05, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I'd like to download the latest Pharo 3 on the CI server but I don't >> know which one I should download? >> > >> > The last one on the list? >> > <Screen Shot 2014-02-25 at 21.03.07.png> >> >> >> > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

I did a fresh 3.0 install when I got the latest walkback ... I had not even dropped in the files from latest.zip yet. I have insomnia, so please bear with me ... I should be asleep at this hour ... debug log attached BTW - Why are we not naming these log files for the image that was running when the log was written ? r On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable > ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, > it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so > issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Which one should I download?

by Robert Shiplett

hit another walkback first screenshot attached this must be Windows XP 3.1 issue ... On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for > > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil > > > > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that > toggle back. > > > > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable > ? > > I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. > > BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, > it is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so > issues are always possible. > > Sven > > > >

Feb. 26, 2014