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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo on retina macbook

by volkert＠nivoba.de

I have the same problem with a Lenovo Yoga2 13 (Win 8.1) with a QHD+ Display. It has 3200x1800 px. BW, Volkert Am 04.09.2014 um 07:46 schrieb Johan Brichau: > Hi, > > I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display. > I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that? > > Johan -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

Yes, I guess cross dialect is not for the faint of heart. I feel like fixing bugs and improving stuff for pharo is the best way to diverge from the original project. Grumpf. On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 04 Sep 2014, at 16:18, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Ok. Is there a process somewhere on how to convert VW code to Pharo? > Just load it would already be cool. > > Glorp is pretty big and complex. > > Porting something cross platform is a huge amount of work, I think most of > it was basically done by hand. This creates a huge maintenance problem of > course. The same is true for Xtreams. Seaside seems to be able to manage > this problem by being extremely careful. > > >

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 04 Sep 2014, at 16:18, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok. Is there a process somewhere on how to convert VW code to Pharo? Just load it would already be cool. Glorp is pretty big and complex. Porting something cross platform is a huge amount of work, I think most of it was basically done by hand. This creates a huge maintenance problem of course. The same is true for Xtreams. Seaside seems to be able to manage this problem by being extremely careful.

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2014-09-04 11:18 GMT-03:00 FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com>: >> >> What is the relation between the glorp we have with the VW version? >> > Outdated, according to Alan Knight in response to a bug I reported. >> > The truth is no one knows. >> not entirely true. >> we know that is outdated :) >> Now, our version was ported from (AFAIR) 7.1 and extended to allow our >> drivers. >> Probably next time best path of porting is to make a bridge between VW >> driver API and ours (but I didnât estimated the amount of effort). > Ok. In the VW Store, the latest version is: > timestamp: 21 Nov 2013 15:22:32 > version: 7.10.1 - 3 > I don't really know what it means (the 3rd release of 7.10.1 ?) I don't know either. Metacello versions doesn't follow that versioning numbers. >> >> Are the two merged often? >> > As I understand it they kind of forked, because even though GLORP has >> > its own multi-dialect layers, it still was "too VW/PGSQL". >> > The DBXTalk guys narrowed the gap, but stillâ¦ >> something like that, yeah :P > Ok. Is there a process somewhere on how to convert VW code to Pharo? > Just load it would already be cool. >> > I'd join an community driven "ORM Task Force" for Pharo. IMHO merging >> > VW's and Pharo's version won't be an easy quest. >> > While debugging GLORP I learnt a few things about its internals, and I >> > think other users share the same learning process. >> > So I am willing to spend some time on this. :) > Cool ! > We might need some people who were involved in the Pharo/Squeak port I guess... Many of them are here, AFAIR they were Lorenzano, Polito, Peck. Even with its outdated condition, ORM hasn't changed much in the past years, so current GLORP fits most of the needs, it's proven, it's tested and it's reliable. > Where is the best place to ask about Glorp by the way? I wonder the same. The official discussion group is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/glorp-group But it is not very active. So IMHO, for Pharo use this is the best place, and for VisualWorks its own mailing list. Regards! Esteban.

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

> >> What is the relation between the glorp we have with the VW version? > > > > Outdated, according to Alan Knight in response to a bug I reported. > > The truth is no one knows. > not entirely true. > we know that is outdated :) > Now, our version was ported from (AFAIR) 7.1 and extended to allow our > drivers. > Probably next time best path of porting is to make a bridge between VW > driver API and ours (but I didnât estimated the amount of effort). > > Ok. In the VW Store, the latest version is: timestamp: 21 Nov 2013 15:22:32 version: 7.10.1 - 3 I don't really know what it means (the 3rd release of 7.10.1 ?) > > > >> Are the two merged often? > > > > As I understand it they kind of forked, because even though GLORP has > > its own multi-dialect layers, it still was "too VW/PGSQL". > > The DBXTalk guys narrowed the gap, but stillâ¦ > > something like that, yeah :P > Ok. Is there a process somewhere on how to convert VW code to Pharo? Just load it would already be cool. > > I'd join an community driven "ORM Task Force" for Pharo. IMHO merging > > VW's and Pharo's version won't be an easy quest. > > While debugging GLORP I learnt a few things about its internals, and I > > think other users share the same learning process. > > So I am willing to spend some time on this. :) > Cool ! We might need some people who were involved in the Pharo/Squeak port I guess... Where is the best place to ask about Glorp by the way?

Sept. 4, 2014

How to create a red box with text in a big font?

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi guys - Iâm a bit stumped on how to create things in big text with a set background colour. I thought I understood - but it just doesnât seem to work. I was thinking I could create a container morph, set its background colour (which works), and then put a StringMorph inside it with a set font. This last bit I canât get to work - I can do bold, but not a bigger font size. Iâve tried different things but am missing the magic sauce - can someone spot my mistake? Below, Iâve tried using a font name that I can see in the Pharo settings dialog but it doesnât work? I also tried using LogicalFont with no success either. tMorph := StringMorph new. font1 := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 24. tMorph contents: 'Hello World'; fontName: 'Open Sans' size: 24; emphasis: TextEmphasis bold emphasisCode. bMorph := Morph new color: Color red; addMorph: tMorph. bMorph openInWorld. Tim

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 04 Sep 2014, at 15:01, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2014-09-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com>: >> We are tempted to give Glorp a try. >> >> We've loaded version 1.7 from the configuration browser and the simple >> things we've tested so far seem to work fine with the PostgresV2 driver. >> >> What is the relation between the glorp we have with the VW version? > > Outdated, according to Alan Knight in response to a bug I reported. > The truth is no one knows. not entirely true. we know that is outdated :) Now, our version was ported from (AFAIR) 7.1 and extended to allow our drivers. Probably next time best path of porting is to make a bridge between VW driver API and ours (but I didnât estimated the amount of effort). > >> Are the two merged often? > > As I understand it they kind of forked, because even though GLORP has > its own multi-dialect layers, it still was "too VW/PGSQL". > The DBXTalk guys narrowed the gap, but stillâ¦ something like that, yeah :P > >> Unfortunately, we don't have the manpower to maintain such >> a beast, are there many people using glorp in production? With PostgresV2? > > I am making a living out of two projects using GLORP+PostgresV2 since > almost a year. So me, and my company, depends on it. > > I'd join an community driven "ORM Task Force" for Pharo. IMHO merging > VW's and Pharo's version won't be an easy quest. > While debugging GLORP I learnt a few things about its internals, and I > think other users share the same learning process. > So I am willing to spend some time on this. :) cool :) Esteban > >> Do you use all the niceties (e.g., json type) from PostgreSQL? > > No, but the json and jsonb datatypes are of my interest, because it > could allow me to embed objects, and have a mixed ORM/NoSQL > persistence solution sharing a single, and reliable, (R)DBMS. > > Best regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo >

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2014-09-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com>: > We are tempted to give Glorp a try. > > We've loaded version 1.7 from the configuration browser and the simple > things we've tested so far seem to work fine with the PostgresV2 driver. > > What is the relation between the glorp we have with the VW version? Outdated, according to Alan Knight in response to a bug I reported. The truth is no one knows. > Are the two merged often? As I understand it they kind of forked, because even though GLORP has its own multi-dialect layers, it still was "too VW/PGSQL". The DBXTalk guys narrowed the gap, but still... > Unfortunately, we don't have the manpower to maintain such > a beast, are there many people using glorp in production? With PostgresV2? I am making a living out of two projects using GLORP+PostgresV2 since almost a year. So me, and my company, depends on it. I'd join an community driven "ORM Task Force" for Pharo. IMHO merging VW's and Pharo's version won't be an easy quest. While debugging GLORP I learnt a few things about its internals, and I think other users share the same learning process. So I am willing to spend some time on this. :) > Do you use all the niceties (e.g., json type) from PostgreSQL? No, but the json and jsonb datatypes are of my interest, because it could allow me to embed objects, and have a mixed ORM/NoSQL persistence solution sharing a single, and reliable, (R)DBMS. Best regards, Esteban A. Maringolo

Sept. 4, 2014

Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

We are tempted to give Glorp a try. We've loaded version 1.7 from the configuration browser and the simple things we've tested so far seem to work fine with the PostgresV2 driver. What is the relation between the glorp we have with the VW version? Are the two merged often? Unfortunately, we don't have the manpower to maintain such a beast, are there many people using glorp in production? With PostgresV2? Do you use all the niceties (e.g., json type) from PostgreSQL? Cheers, Francois

Sept. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo on retina macbook

by Igor Stasenko

i'm wrong.. it scales only on ipads.. not on OS X. On 4 September 2014 11:09, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > on retina, the display bitmap are 2x scaled. > > > On 4 September 2014 09:56, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This should be a known issue as it was raised before. The problem occurs >> with any font. It has to do with the VM as far as I understood. I am not >> sure what is needed to be done, though. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >>> Johan Brichau wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display. >>>> I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to >>>> improve that? >>>> >>>> Johan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> What version of Pharo? >>> What version of OSX? >>> What fonts? >>> >>> I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think >>> about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise). >>> * Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont. * StrikeFont bitmaps >>> are sub-pixel anti-aliased. >>> * Sub-pixel anti-aliases >>> * Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe >>> otherwise problem. >>> >>> Try... >>> * Choosing a TrueType font >>> * Changing some OSX display settings >>> * http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/ >>> 8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering >>> * http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting- >>> crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows >>> * http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html >>> * http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/ >>> 8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering >>> >>> Please report your results. >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Sept. 4, 2014