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Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a red box with text in a big font?

by stepharo

The idea was that the color is propagated from the container. Stef On 5/9/14 08:43, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Yes there is that annoying thing with windows that set things bacl to > white. Why is that indeed? > > Phil > > Le 4 sept. 2014 23:32, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : > > Le 04/09/2014 23:12, kilon alios a Ã©crit : >> but if I try to do openInWindow instead of openInWorld in the end >> it turns it to white box , why ? >> > Adding the morph inside the window changes the morph color to > white :( (What the heck?) > > If the color is changed after the openInWindow, then that works. > > Morph new > hResizing: #shrinkWrap; > addMorph: ( > 'Hello World' asMorph > fontName: 'Open Sans' size: 75; > emphasis: TextEmphasis bold emphasisCode); > openInWindow; > color: Color red > > > Thierry > >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Thierry Goubier >> <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Le 04/09/2014 18:18, Tim Mackinnon a Ã©crit : >>> Cool - thatâs handy to know it works somewhere (and in fact, >>> it was when playing with GT-Inspector I noticed this - so >>> that solution would work). >>> >>> Iâm still curious how you do it in Morphic? >> Like that: >> >> >> Morph new >> color: Color red; >> hResizing: #shrinkWrap; >> addMorph: ( >> 'Hello World' asMorph >> fontName: 'Open Sans' size: 75; >> emphasis: TextEmphasis bold emphasisCode); >> openInWorld >> >> Thierry >> >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On 4 Sep 2014, at 17:10, Alexandre Bergel >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Using Roassal, I would do: >>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> v := RTView new. >>>> s := RTMultiCompositeShape new. >>>> s add: (RTBox new color: Color red; size: 500). >>>> s add: (RTLabel new height: 70). >>>> v add: (s elementOn: 'Hello World'). >>>> v open >>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> >>>> <Screen Shot 2014-09-04 at 12.10.14 PM.png> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works >>>> <mailto:tim@testit.works>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys - Iâm a bit stumped on how to create things in big >>>>> text with a set background colour. I thought I understood >>>>> - but it just doesnât seem to work. >>>>> I was thinking I could create a container morph, set its >>>>> background colour (which works), and then put a >>>>> StringMorph inside it with a set font. This last bit I >>>>> canât get to work - I can do bold, but not a bigger font >>>>> size. Iâve tried different things but am missing the magic >>>>> sauce - can someone spot my mistake? Below, Iâve tried >>>>> using a font name that I can see in the Pharo settings >>>>> dialog but it doesnât work? I also tried using LogicalFont >>>>> with no success either. >>>>> >>>>> tMorph := StringMorph new. >>>>> font1 := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 24. >>>>> >>>>> tMorph contents: 'Hello World'; >>>>> fontName: 'Open Sans' size: 24; >>>>> emphasis: TextEmphasis bold emphasisCode. >>>>> >>>>> bMorph := Morph new >>>>> color: Color red; >>>>> addMorph: tMorph. >>>>> >>>>> bMorph openInWorld. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>> >>> >> >> >

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Hello ...

by kilon alios

by the way I forgot to add that I am active at #pharo irc channel at freenode if you want to chat about pharo and ask questions and also you can ask your questions at stackoverflow adding the tag pharo , the pharo community is so active in stackoverflow that I have never seen an unanswered question. here is the tag http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pharo On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > Cool, thanks for the information. > Also, your "riding a bike" analogy is quite good. :) > Let's see how it goes for me. > > Best, > > ~Mayuresh > > > On 2014-09-05 22:50, kilon alios wrote: > >> I have posted a series of video tutorial for Pharo and in some of them >> I explain the basics of OO with practical examples >> >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ >> [4] >> >> if you throw also PBE I think you pretty much covered. >> >> OO is not really a difficult concept, an object is just a collection >> of variables and methods and then it builds complexity from there. But >> if you already so familiar with Squeak that should come as riding a >> bike, you cant forget these things. So I am sure you will remember it >> quickly when you try your your own experiments. >> >> By the way welcome to Pharo and keep us posted with your progress . >> >> Peronally I love Squeak is hands down the most elegant GUI system I >> have used, but I use Pharo because its more actively developed and >> better in the things that interest me. >> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM, S Krish >> <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Welcome to the Smalltalk world.. >>> >>> You would have already seen: >>> >>> http://pharo.org/documentation [1] in particular: >>> http://pharobyexample.org/ [2] >>> >>> In Pharo Start with the Pharo Tutorials through ( Left Click on the >>> World, Help >> Pharo Tutorials ) >>> >>> Watch the screencasts.. in the documentation page.. >>> >>> Probably relevant will be Web application development with Seaside >>> framework in Pharo Smalltalk: >>> >>> http://book.seaside.st/book [3] >>> >>> >>> Rest will fall into place once you sink yourself in, and ask >>> questions relevant to where you are wanting to head to.. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A hello to Pharo-Users list members. >>>> >>>> I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. >>>> >>>> I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever >>>> since I had to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did >>>> get to work with Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. >>>> >>>> To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due >>>> to being pushed into the management track. >>>> I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular >>>> job. >>>> >>>> Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with >>>> a lot of spare time to tinker around with what I would really like >>>> to. >>>> >>>> After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in >>>> Pharo land, and things look good. :) >>>> >>>> Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional >>>> program in 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, >>>> sort-a rusty. >>>> >>>> Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could >>>> work through to warm myself up to OOP? >>>> I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt >>>> Weisfeld, looks good, but if there's anything better suited to >>>> Pharo, would be nice to know. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> ~Mayuresh >>>> >>> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://pharo.org/documentation >> [2] http://pharobyexample.org/ >> [3] http://book.seaside.st/book >> [4] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh >> -_m_ >> > >

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Hello ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

Cool, thanks for the information. Also, your "riding a bike" analogy is quite good. :) Let's see how it goes for me. Best, ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-05 22:50, kilon alios wrote: > I have posted a series of video tutorial for Pharo and in some of them > I explain the basics of OO with practical examples > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ > [4] > > if you throw also PBE I think you pretty much covered.Â > > OO is not really a difficult concept, an object is just a collection > of variables and methods and then it builds complexity from there. But > if you already so familiar with Squeak that should come as riding a > bike, you cant forget these things. So I am sure you will remember it > quickly when you try your your own experiments.Â > > By the way welcome to Pharo and keep us posted with your progress .Â > > Peronally I love Squeak is hands down the most elegant GUI system I > have used, but I use Pharo because its more actively developed and > better in the things that interest me.Â > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM, S Krish > <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Welcome to the Smalltalk world.. >> >> You would have already seen: >> >> http://pharo.org/documentation [1]Â Â in particular:Â Â >> http://pharobyexample.org/ [2]Â Â >> >> In Pharo Start with the Pharo Tutorials through ( Left Click on the >> World, Help >> Pharo Tutorials ) >> >> Watch the screencasts..Â in the documentation page.. >> >> Probably relevant will be Web application development with Seaside >> framework in Pharo Smalltalk: >> >> http://book.seaside.st/book [3] >> >> Rest will fall into place once you sink yourself in, and ask >> questions relevant to where you are wanting to head to.. >> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> >> wrote: >> >>> A hello to Pharo-Users list members. >>> >>> I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. >>> >>> I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever >>> since I had to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did >>> get to work with Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. >>> >>> To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due >>> to being pushed into the management track. >>> I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular >>> job. >>> >>> Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with >>> a lot of spare time to tinker around with what I would really like >>> to. >>> >>> After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in >>> Pharo land, and things look good. :) >>> >>> Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional >>> program in 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, >>> sort-a rusty. >>> >>> Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could >>> work through to warm myself up to OOP? >>> I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt >>> Weisfeld, looks good, but if there's anything better suited to >>> Pharo, would be nice to know. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ~Mayuresh > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://pharo.org/documentation > [2] http://pharobyexample.org/ > [3] http://book.seaside.st/book > [4] > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Hello ...

by kilon alios

I have posted a series of video tutorial for Pharo and in some of them I explain the basics of OO with practical examples https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ if you throw also PBE I think you pretty much covered. OO is not really a difficult concept, an object is just a collection of variables and methods and then it builds complexity from there. But if you already so familiar with Squeak that should come as riding a bike, you cant forget these things. So I am sure you will remember it quickly when you try your your own experiments. By the way welcome to Pharo and keep us posted with your progress . Peronally I love Squeak is hands down the most elegant GUI system I have used, but I use Pharo because its more actively developed and better in the things that interest me. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:09 PM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Welcome to the Smalltalk world.. > > You would have already seen: > > http://pharo.org/documentation in particular: > http://pharobyexample.org/ > > In Pharo Start with the Pharo Tutorials through ( Left Click on the World, > Help >> Pharo Tutorials ) > > Watch the screencasts.. in the documentation page.. > > Probably relevant will be Web application development with Seaside > framework in Pharo Smalltalk: > http://book.seaside.st/book > > Rest will fall into place once you sink yourself in, and ask questions > relevant to where you are wanting to head to.. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > >> A hello to Pharo-Users list members. >> >> I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. >> >> I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever since I had >> to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did get to work with >> Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. >> >> To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due to being >> pushed into the management track. >> I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular job. >> >> Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with a lot of >> spare time to tinker around with what I would really like to. >> >> After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in Pharo >> land, and things look good. :) >> >> Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional program >> in 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, sort-a rusty. >> >> Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could work >> through to warm myself up to OOP? >> I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt Weisfeld, >> looks good, but if there's anything better suited to Pharo, would be nice >> to know. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ~Mayuresh >> >> >> >

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Hello ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

Thanks for the welcome note. :) I am quite certain that I want to head in a direction away from Web application development using Pharo. I see in Pharo the promise that was left unhonoured by Squeak, one of having an elegant system instead of a quilt. The Pharo UI looks better than any of the ones in the Squeak world, though, I believe Pharo's LnF can be taken to a whole new level, and that's what I intend to work on once I've gained enough command over the environment and the programming language. Best, ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-05 22:39, S Krish wrote: > Welcome to the Smalltalk world.. > > You would have already seen: > > http://pharo.org/documentation [1]Â Â in particular:Â Â > http://pharobyexample.org/ [2]Â Â > > In Pharo Start with the Pharo Tutorials through ( Left Click on the > World, Help >> Pharo Tutorials ) > > Watch the screencasts..Â in the documentation page.. > > Probably relevant will be Web application development with Seaside > framework in Pharo Smalltalk: > > http://book.seaside.st/book [3] > > Rest will fall into place once you sink yourself in, and ask questions > relevant to where you are wanting to head to.. > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> > wrote: > >> A hello to Pharo-Users list members. >> >> I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. >> >> I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever since >> I had to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did get to >> work with Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. >> >> To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due to >> being pushed into the management track. >> I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular job. >> >> Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with a >> lot of spare time to tinker around with what I would really like to. >> >> After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in >> Pharo land, and things look good. :) >> >> Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional >> program in 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, >> sort-a rusty. >> >> Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could >> work through to warm myself up to OOP? >> I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt >> Weisfeld, looks good, but if there's anything better suited to >> Pharo, would be nice to know. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ~Mayuresh

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Hello ...

by S Krish

Welcome to the Smalltalk world.. You would have already seen: http://pharo.org/documentation in particular: http://pharobyexample.org/ In Pharo Start with the Pharo Tutorials through ( Left Click on the World, Help >> Pharo Tutorials ) Watch the screencasts.. in the documentation page.. Probably relevant will be Web application development with Seaside framework in Pharo Smalltalk: http://book.seaside.st/book Rest will fall into place once you sink yourself in, and ask questions relevant to where you are wanting to head to.. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > A hello to Pharo-Users list members. > > I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. > > I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever since I had > to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did get to work with > Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. > > To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due to being > pushed into the management track. > I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular job. > > Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with a lot of > spare time to tinker around with what I would really like to. > > After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in Pharo > land, and things look good. :) > > Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional program in > 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, sort-a rusty. > > Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could work > through to warm myself up to OOP? > I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt Weisfeld, > looks good, but if there's anything better suited to Pharo, would be nice > to know. > > Thanks, > > ~Mayuresh > > >

Sept. 5, 2014

Hello ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

A hello to Pharo-Users list members. I am Mayuresh Kathe from Mumbai, India. I used to work with Squeak a while (14 years) back, but ever since I had to move over to non-OOP environments, and never did get to work with Smalltalk or alike systems ever since. To add to that, I haven't been programming for over 7 years due to being pushed into the management track. I have quit the management world, and along with it a regular job. Am now a consultant, mostly to Web startups which leaves me with a lot of spare time to tinker around with what I would really like to. After a lot of searching and experimenting, I finally landed in Pharo land, and things look good. :) Given the fact that I haven't written a single fully functional program in 7 years, I feel like I've lost the ability to code, sort-a rusty. Would the list members be kind enough to suggest a book I could work through to warm myself up to OOP? I stumbled upon "The Object Oriented Thought Process" by Matt Weisfeld, looks good, but if there's anything better suited to Pharo, would be nice to know. Thanks, ~Mayuresh

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Tide installation

by Bernat Romagosa

The slides are cool, but I really don't quite understand how Tide works... I tried to reproduce the Hero example, but when asking my lair for heroes (from the client side) I got: TDClient >> promiseNotFound: > No promise was found for selector heroes It'd be great if someone wrote a getting started tutorial, a simple ToDo would be more than enough. Marina is way too complex to grasp how the framework works, and the counter example is way too simple. I'd do it myself, but of course I don't know the first thing about Tide! :P 2014-09-04 9:37 GMT+02:00 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com>: > Pull request sent. > > Phill, you need to use the latest bower. I'd uninstall and reinstall again: > > $ npm uninstall bower > $ npm install bower -g > > Then just follow the tutorial, you don't need to modify bower.json or > anything. > > Stef, thanks! I'll check these slides. > > Cheers, > Bernat. > > > 2014-09-03 16:50 GMT+02:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > > I tried to get this working. >> >> bower installed >> Tide loaded as per the slides (with some fiddling as what is there >> doesn't work). >> >> Then TDDispatcher tideIndexPageUrl inspect gives >> >> http://localhost:7777/tide/tide/index.html >> >> (Why that 'tide' twice in there?) >> >> And there, no helios or anything. >> >> But that may be because I used the wrong bower 1.2.6 version and set >> stable for Amber as the commit number didn't work. >> >> So, Bernat, which bower and which amber in bower.json ? >> >> TIA >> Phil >> â >> > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > -- Bernat Romagosa.

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Esteban, Am 05.09.14 um 15:36 schrieb Esteban A. Maringolo: > Hi, > > 2014-09-05 3:53 GMT-03:00 jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de>: >> Esteban, >> I disagree ;-) >> Am 04.09.14 um 17:09 schrieb Esteban A. Maringolo: >>> 2014-09-04 11:18 GMT-03:00 FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Where is the best place to ask about Glorp by the way? >>> I wonder the same. >>> The official discussion group is >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/glorp-group >>> But it is not very active. >>> >>> So IMHO, for Pharo use this is the best place, and for VisualWorks its >>> own mailing list. >> I am a Glorp user, but not on Pharo, and I am very much interested in >> problems people might find or - more interestingly - solve with Glorp. > I forgot about you! even when I follow your blog. > You're the only person/project I know uses Glorp in VA. so assuming I am the only Glorp user on VA (I am not, btw.), your argument would mean I should rather ask on the VA mailing list where I will be even less likely to find answers, because there are no Glorp users there at all ;-) Not sure I like the idea ;-) And don't forget the VW(NC) users of Glorp. They might have problems with Glorp as well. >> From my experience with using Glorp on VA Smalltalk, it is sometimes very >> hard to tell if you have a general Glorp problem or some porting error in >> front of you. > Test coverage is pretty good, but I've been bitten by what you mention. > That's how I realized the port I'm using is outdated. > >> So I would say the primary group for Glorp questions should be >> the Glorp google group (see your link above). >> Another argument: if we followed your advice for every >> library/tool/framework, wouldn't this pollute the Pharo Mailing list? > I know, but I really don't know who reads Glorp mailing list, and > particularly *how often*. > > Francois asked about GLORP here and got a bunch of responses in a > couple of hours, had he asked the same in Glorp's mailing list and > probably would have got a "please ask in the Pharo mailing list about > its port" response. > And this is no critic to Alan nor anybody there, it's just a matter of > how active a mailing list is and how "foreign" Pharo's version is, > they simply don't know what Pharo has. > And, if I remember correctly, most answers on this list were of the kind that says "I think I know someone who heard about somebody who once did a Glorp port to Pharo, but I think it is dated". Do we expect Alan or Niall or Tim to read the Pharo mailing list to answer Glorp questions? I am not sure they'll like the idea. BTW: I thought tha VAST version is also foreign, but these days the port on VAST is pretty current and the feeling is gone. So, as long as I am not sure if a problem is a Glorp bug or one of my port, I think the Glorp list is the right place for it. I'd rather get input from Pharo, VisualWorks and VAST users than none or the kind I just mentioned - I am glad that Maarten, Alan and you (and others) are on the Glorp list - and we all use different dialects! Joachim > Regards! > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Sept. 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Glorp 1.7 <-> VisualWorks

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Hi, 2014-09-05 3:53 GMT-03:00 jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de>: > Esteban, > I disagree ;-) > Am 04.09.14 um 17:09 schrieb Esteban A. Maringolo: >> 2014-09-04 11:18 GMT-03:00 FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com>: >>> Where is the best place to ask about Glorp by the way? >> I wonder the same. >> The official discussion group is >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/glorp-group >> But it is not very active. >> >> So IMHO, for Pharo use this is the best place, and for VisualWorks its >> own mailing list. > I am a Glorp user, but not on Pharo, and I am very much interested in > problems people might find or - more interestingly - solve with Glorp. I forgot about you! even when I follow your blog. You're the only person/project I know uses Glorp in VA. > From my experience with using Glorp on VA Smalltalk, it is sometimes very > hard to tell if you have a general Glorp problem or some porting error in > front of you. Test coverage is pretty good, but I've been bitten by what you mention. That's how I realized the port I'm using is outdated. > So I would say the primary group for Glorp questions should be > the Glorp google group (see your link above). > Another argument: if we followed your advice for every > library/tool/framework, wouldn't this pollute the Pharo Mailing list? I know, but I really don't know who reads Glorp mailing list, and particularly *how often*. Francois asked about GLORP here and got a bunch of responses in a couple of hours, had he asked the same in Glorp's mailing list and probably would have got a "please ask in the Pharo mailing list about its port" response. And this is no critic to Alan nor anybody there, it's just a matter of how active a mailing list is and how "foreign" Pharo's version is, they simply don't know what Pharo has. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo

Sept. 5, 2014