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Re: [Pharo-users] PharoS

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi Annick, > > On 08 Sep 2014, at 09:26, Annick Fron <list(a)afceurope.com> wrote: > > > What is the difference between pharoS and pharo ? > > Annick > > At one point there was just the standard Squeak VM. Then Eliot started the > CogVM project, whose ultimate goal was to have a JIT compiler. That meant > that he had to change part the way the image interacted with the VM, > especially around stack and closure/block usage [this is not 100% accurate, > but the details are complex]. So he decided to tackle this in two broad > steps: first make the just mentioned changes, test that part and then do > the JIT part. > > So the Pharo S (aka Stack) VM and the Pharo (COG/JIT) VM are brothers, > with the old Squeak VM being their ancestor. > > Practically, the S VM is slower (because it does not do JIT compilation), > but much more portable (because it does not have to generate machine code). > The S VM is often used to decided whether a VM problem is JIT related or > not. > > HTH, > > Sven > and PharoS is what you run on an iPad or iPhone. Phil

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Hilaire

What is the purpose of the seaside-gettext package ? Is it a relic or is it useful? Gettext is orthogonal to Seaside. Hilaire Le 07/09/2014 15:32, Peter Schorsch a Ã©crit : > But then I had to realize that the seaside-gettext package was not > installed; and also no gettext package. I found a gettext package in > the repositoryhttp://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/Gettext. > > I installed the package ConfigurationOfGettext, but the > configuraitonof-browser does not show it. So I installed the package > Gettext via monticello. -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

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Re: [Pharo-users] PharoS

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Annick, On 08 Sep 2014, at 09:26, Annick Fron <list(a)afceurope.com> wrote: > What is the difference between pharoS and pharo ? > Annick At one point there was just the standard Squeak VM. Then Eliot started the CogVM project, whose ultimate goal was to have a JIT compiler. That meant that he had to change part the way the image interacted with the VM, especially around stack and closure/block usage [this is not 100% accurate, but the details are complex]. So he decided to tackle this in two broad steps: first make the just mentioned changes, test that part and then do the JIT part. So the Pharo S (aka Stack) VM and the Pharo (COG/JIT) VM are brothers, with the old Squeak VM being their ancestor. Practically, the S VM is slower (because it does not do JIT compilation), but much more portable (because it does not have to generate machine code). The S VM is often used to decided whether a VM problem is JIT related or not. HTH, Sven

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Marcus Denker

On 07 Sep 2014, at 20:32, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > On 7/9/14 15:32, Peter Schorsch wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just started with pharo and seaside. > > Welcome! > >> Now I want to write an example >> seaside-application but with a multi lingual interface. So I installed >> pharo3 and then seaside via configuration browser. >> >> But then I had to realize that the seaside-gettext package was not >> installed; and also no gettext package. I found a gettext package in >> the repository http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/Gettext. >> >> I installed the package ConfigurationOfGettext, but the >> configuraitonof-browser does not show it. > The configuration browser only shows the configurations that are published in a given repository. >> So I installed the package >> Gettext via monticello. > > I think that people will reply to you. I know that there was a conflict between one class in the getText and one in Pharo30. There is an issue here: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13655/System-Localization-and-Gettext-hav… Marcus

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoS

by Esteban Lorenzano

exactly. pharoS does not includes Cog (the JIT). Esteban On 08 Sep 2014, at 09:45, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If i'm not mistaken, pharoS uses the StackVM. > > Which you don't really want unless you know you need it ;) > > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Annick Fron <list(a)afceurope.com> wrote: > What is the difference between pharoS and pharo ? > Annick > >

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoS

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

If i'm not mistaken, pharoS uses the StackVM. Which you don't really want unless you know you need it ;) On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Annick Fron <list(a)afceurope.com> wrote: > What is the difference between pharoS and pharo ? > Annick > >

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PharoS

by Annick Fron

What is the difference between pharoS and pharo ? Annick

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] pillar support in gtinspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > > Great. Please keep experimenting and keep us posted. > > Well I have redefined my immediate goal for the next experiment as just > updating an object from a text pane even if this is not automatic (as I > said in the proper thread automatic updating is not working). So, how can I > get the current content of a text pane and send it as an argument for > updating an object value? > > With your post, I'm wondering who difficult is: >> >> a. To put support to Pillar/Markdown inside text panes (something >> similar to >> the "smalltalkCode" message for showing Smalltalk in text panes but >> with >> "pillarCode" or "markdownCode" (or some dictionary with the #syntax >> keyword >> and the language as a value). >> >> >> That is precisely what already happened. If you load the code, you can >> take a >> look at the FileReference>>gtInspectorPillarIn: method to see how to >> specify the >> presentation. >> > > I will as soon as I can load humane-assessment.com, to see your blog post > again. In fact is usual for me not being able to load this site or Moose's > ones on a regular basis (last time when I was trying to show this > technology to a friend). If your have any possibility to consider another > more stable hosting that would be nice for newcomers. Digital Ocean (I have > not any affiliation with them) has been a nice solution for my for only USD > $5 per month. Indeed, I have some problems with my server. I am not yet sure where the problem lies (the server itself or the provider). I restarted the server now and I hope it will be better for a while. > > > b. To execute some parts of the code, for example the ones that are >> inside >> "[[[" "]]]" while the cursor is there, so we could not only preview >> imagages, but also execute code for visualizations or other >> computations >> >> >> Exactly. That should definitely be a direction. We need to experiment >> here with >> the exact semantics. For example, you will not always want to execute the >> code. >> Or not all code is meant to be executed. >> > > > Well for me that would be a human decision always and by default disabled. > What I was thinking was more inline with IPython's notebook behaviour that > executes a code cell with a shortcut. Would be nice to have a shortcut for > executing code inside "[[[" "]]]" blocks if the cursor is inside them. Indeed, this is the first thing that popped in my mind as well. The problem is that often people use the code inside [[[ ]]] for incomplete snippets as well. So, it can actually be problematic to find the real code to run. At least in the current books. > > c. The ability to support drag and drop to files to the tree (a >> Glamorous >> Tree) and get some kind of node pointing to that file. >> >> >> That is indeed something I would want as well. For example, we should be >> able to >> drag and drop a pier file from the outside and spawn an editor on it. >> > > Yes. > > d. Tha ability to preview thumbnail images in a similar way of the >> "contextual places" for printing described on your post at [2] >> >> [2] http://www.humane-assessment.__com/blog/rethinking-print-it- >> __in-pharo >> <http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/rethinking-print-it-in-pharo/ >> > >> >> Yes. This will likely come soon :) >> > > Nice! Keep us posted. > > > e. The hability to show a preview of the pdf/html in an emergent >> lateral >> panel in a simlar way to what TeXStudio or TeXmaker do[3] >> >> [3] http://www.xm1math.net/__texmaker/texmakertop_big.png >> <http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/texmakertop_big.png> >> >> >> I do not know how to do it at this time. For this purpose, we would need >> to be >> able to embed a browser in a Pharo UI, and I am not aware of how to do it >> >> > I would think in something like executing a browser inside a VNC client > that can be shown inside Pharo. AFAIK that's the way that Open Croquet, > Teleplace and other Smalltalk 3D worlds use to execute and show desktop > apps inside the worlds. I imagine that something similar can be done in a > Glamorous Toolkit pane. > Would you be interested in producing a prototype in Morphic? Cheers, Doru > > Cheers, > > Offray > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] pillar support in gtinspector

by Tudor Girba

Maybe ... would anyone be interested in giving it a try? :) Doru On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for the feedback. Indeed, your points are much inline with where we > should go next. > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Doru, > > I really like the advancements in this direction. If fact what I have > trying to do, as a newbie, by making a Glamorous Toolkit powered > outliner/tree like interface for writing structured documents tries > something similar. I think that writing is mainly a non-linear experience > and the usual metaphors of document processors are not powerful enough in > expressing/exploring the structure of ideas in the writing process (some > thought about it ane examples about how implement non-linear academic > writing are in [1], in Spanish). > > [1] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/la- > forma-en-que-escribo-para-el-doctorado.html > > I would like to create Visual Data Narratives inside Pharo/Moose/Roassal > that use file system and web, and LateX as "exportation formats", but where > the writing/structuring experience happen mainly inside Pharo. For that > persistence/change of trees is important, but as I have documented in other > threads, I'm having problems with it, using Glamorous Toolkit (specifically > on updating objects from text panes and from emergent windows for tree > names/properties). > > With your post, I'm wondering who difficult is: > > a. To put support to Pillar/Markdown inside text panes (something similar > to the "smalltalkCode" message for showing Smalltalk in text panes but with > "pillarCode" or "markdownCode" (or some dictionary with the #syntax keyword > and the language as a value). > > > > That is precisely what already happened. If you load the code, you can take > a look at the FileReference>>gtInspectorPillarIn: method to see how to > specify the presentation. > > > > > b. To execute some parts of the code, for example the ones that are inside > "[[[" "]]]" while the cursor is there, so we could not only preview > imagages, but also execute code for visualizations or other computations > > > > Exactly. That should definitely be a direction. We need to experiment here > with the exact semantics. For example, you will not always want to execute > the code. Or not all code is meant to be executed. > > > > > c. The ability to support drag and drop to files to the tree (a Glamorous > Tree) and get some kind of node pointing to that file. > > > > That is indeed something I would want as well. For example, we should be > able to drag and drop a pier file from the outside and spawn an editor on > it. > > > > > > d. Tha ability to preview thumbnail images in a similar way of the > "contextual places" for printing described on your post at [2] > > [2] http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/rethinking-print-it-in-pharo > > Yes. This will likely come soon :) > > e. The hability to show a preview of the pdf/html in an emergent lateral > > > panel in a simlar way to what TeXStudio or TeXmaker do[3] > > [3] http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/texmakertop_big.png > > > I do not know how to do it at this time. For this purpose, we would need to > be able to embed a browser in a Pharo UI, and I am not aware of how to do it > > > > Maybe... > > http://www.i-programmer.info/news/136-open-source/7433-google-open-sources-… > > cheers -ben > > > So here I put my other ideas about "bringing liveliness to documentation" > as you said and I would like to build them together. > > > > Great. Please keep experimenting and keep us posted. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > > Cheers, > > Offray > > Ps: In the other threads I'm asking about how to advance in the outliner > metaphor for live doc writing on Pharo/Moose/Roassal. I'll keep you posted. > > On 09/07/2014 08:41 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Documentation is important. To make it more likely and more enjoyable for > people > to write more of it, I teamed up with Andrei and Jan to build up support > for > Pillar in the GTInspector. > > The current solution brings the following: > - Pillar specific syntax highlighting including Shout highlighting for > code snippets > - Embedded files validation and preview possibility > - Quick browsing of Pillar book projects when inspecting the book folder > - Class comment rendering using Pillar syntax when inspecting the class > object > - Text editor support for custom highlighting in Glamour (using Rubric > for now) > - Island parsing for quick specification of incomplete parser > > You can learn more about it here:http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/writing-pillar-books- > with-the-gtinspector > > Inline image 1 > > There is much more to do in this direction, and I would be happy to > inspire some > of you to join forces. Please let us know what you think. > > Cheers, > Doru > > --www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Sept. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] pillar support in gtinspector

by Tudor Girba

Hi Ben, Exactly. In Pier, we used to have value links (see http://www.piercms.com/doc/syntax) I propose to introduce something like this: +object:"code that returns something that can be embedded like a graphical form"+ Doru On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > >> Hi Doru, >> >> I really like the advancements in this direction. If fact what I have >> trying to do, as a newbie, by making a Glamorous Toolkit powered >> outliner/tree like interface for writing structured documents tries >> something similar. I think that writing is mainly a non-linear experience >> and the usual metaphors of document processors are not powerful enough in >> expressing/exploring the structure of ideas in the writing process (some >> thought about it ane examples about how implement non-linear academic >> writing are in [1], in Spanish). >> >> [1] http://mutabit.com/offray/static/blog/output/posts/la- >> forma-en-que-escribo-para-el-doctorado.html >> >> I would like to create Visual Data Narratives inside Pharo/Moose/Roassal >> that use file system and web, and LateX as "exportation formats", but where >> the writing/structuring experience happen mainly inside Pharo. For that >> persistence/change of trees is important, but as I have documented in other >> threads, I'm having problems with it, using Glamorous Toolkit (specifically >> on updating objects from text panes and from emergent windows for tree >> names/properties). >> >> With your post, I'm wondering who difficult is: >> >> a. To put support to Pillar/Markdown inside text panes (something similar >> to the "smalltalkCode" message for showing Smalltalk in text panes but with >> "pillarCode" or "markdownCode" (or some dictionary with the #syntax keyword >> and the language as a value). >> >> b. To execute some parts of the code, for example the ones that are >> inside "[[[" "]]]" while the cursor is there, so we could not only preview >> imagages, but also execute code for visualizations or other computations >> > > I have been thinking previously, that it would be good to have named code > blocks "[[[ ]]]", some of which are visible which appear in the end > document, and some are invisible, just used to scaffold the live document, > e.g. to generate pictures. For example, visible code block code A might > show the text to "create a class definition and accessors" and invisible > code block B might say... > "close all windows. > run code block A. > open System Browser at origin: 100@100 extent 500@300. > System Browser select class and accessor just created. > Screen snapshot and save to filenameXXX.png." > > cheers -ben > > > >> c. The ability to support drag and drop to files to the tree (a Glamorous >> Tree) and get some kind of node pointing to that file. >> >> d. Tha ability to preview thumbnail images in a similar way of the >> "contextual places" for printing described on your post at [2] >> >> [2] http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/rethinking-print-it-in-pharo/ >> >> e. The hability to show a preview of the pdf/html in an emergent lateral >> panel in a simlar way to what TeXStudio or TeXmaker do[3] >> >> [3] http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/texmakertop_big.png >> >> >> So here I put my other ideas about "bringing liveliness to documentation" >> as you said and I would like to build them together. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> Ps: In the other threads I'm asking about how to advance in the outliner >> metaphor for live doc writing on Pharo/Moose/Roassal. I'll keep you posted. >> >> On 09/07/2014 08:41 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Documentation is important. To make it more likely and more enjoyable >>> for people >>> to write more of it, I teamed up with Andrei and Jan to build up support >>> for >>> Pillar in the GTInspector. >>> >>> The current solution brings the following: >>> - Pillar specific syntax highlighting including Shout highlighting for >>> code snippets >>> - Embedded files validation and preview possibility >>> - Quick browsing of Pillar book projects when inspecting the book folder >>> - Class comment rendering using Pillar syntax when inspecting the class >>> object >>> - Text editor support for custom highlighting in Glamour (using Rubric >>> for now) >>> - Island parsing for quick specification of incomplete parser >>> >>> You can learn more about it here: >>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/writing-pillar-books- >>> with-the-gtinspector >>> >>> Inline image 1 >>> >>> There is much more to do in this direction, and I would be happy to >>> inspire some >>> of you to join forces. Please let us know what you think. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

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