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Pharo by Example : Still usable?

by Mayuresh Kathe

I believe "Pharo by Example" is the primary book to start-off with Pharo. A look at the Lulu.com page shows it to be from early 2010. Would it still be usable with the present version of Pharo? Thanks, ~Mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

On 2014-09-19 19:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > On 19 Sep 2014, at 15:59, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > >> heraclitus actually said, "everything _flows_" (panta rhei). > > No he said: Î Î¬Î½ÏÎ± á¿¥Îµá¿ ;-) true... :-D

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 19 Sep 2014, at 15:59, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > heraclitus actually said, "everything _flows_" (panta rhei). No he said: Î Î¬Î½ÏÎ± á¿¥Îµá¿ ;-)

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

thanks for the warm welcome. :) the self vm while interesting, isn't as portable as "squeak" and it's derived systems. ~mayuresh On 2014-09-19 18:06, Thierry Goubier wrote: > Welcome back! > > You convinced me to have a look at Self, which I didn't in, what, more > than 15 years? They even have multiple host windows :) > > Thierry > > 2014-09-19 14:07 GMT+02:00 Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in>: > >> hello all, >> >> i had to do it. >> after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the >> list, i went out and checked on the current state of squeak and >> self. >> >> looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from >> experienced developers and visionaries. >> >> since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to >> work with pharo. >> >> also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have >> diverged too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for >> pharo which is so highly polished already and is being constantly >> improved! >> >> so here i am, back in pharo land. >> >> ~mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

what i've wanted is a pure-objects system. somehow, none of the options (python, ruby, obj-c) come close to fulfilling my requirements the way smalltalk does. i do have certain ideas i wish to explore which require an object system to as deep a level as possible with a certain liveness to it (hence my investigation of "self"). yes, i agree, pharo is indeed built on the shoulder of giants. :) heraclitus actually said, "everything _flows_" (panta rhei). ~mayuresh On 2014-09-19 17:56, kilon alios wrote: > it all comes down to what you want. You are not obliged to even use > Smalltalk in the first place, what matter is what you want to do ? > What project you have in mind ? what are your goals ? how you want to > achieve them ? etc > > Pharo comes with its own set of problems and flaws like any other > language out there, by trying it out you will find yourself if it can > fit your needs.Â > > In any case welcome back, Pharoers have worked hard to push smalltalk > forward and they are very active and helpful. On other hand Pharo > would not even exist if Squeak did not exist so you could say "Pharo > is built on shoulder of giants" ;)Â > > For me Pharo has a long way to go before I call it "polished" but no > doubt its getting there and is a fascinating project.Â > > As Heraclitus said "Everything moves" Â > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> > wrote: > >> hello all, >> >> i had to do it. >> after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the >> list, i went out and checked on the current state of squeak and >> self. >> >> looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from >> experienced developers and visionaries. >> >> since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to >> work with pharo. >> >> also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have >> diverged too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for >> pharo which is so highly polished already and is being constantly >> improved! >> >> so here i am, back in pharo land. >> >> ~mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Tudor Girba

Welcome back! Doru On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > hello all, > > i had to do it. > after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the list, i > went out and checked on the current state of squeak and self. > > looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from > experienced developers and visionaries. > > since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to work > with pharo. > > also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have diverged > too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for pharo which is so > highly polished already and is being constantly improved! > > so here i am, back in pharo land. > > ~mayuresh > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Thierry Goubier

Welcome back! You convinced me to have a look at Self, which I didn't in, what, more than 15 years? They even have multiple host windows :) Thierry 2014-09-19 14:07 GMT+02:00 Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in>: > hello all, > > i had to do it. > after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the list, i > went out and checked on the current state of squeak and self. > > looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from > experienced developers and visionaries. > > since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to work > with pharo. > > also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have diverged > too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for pharo which is so > highly polished already and is being constantly improved! > > so here i am, back in pharo land. > > ~mayuresh > > >

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by kilon alios

it all comes down to what you want. You are not obliged to even use Smalltalk in the first place, what matter is what you want to do ? What project you have in mind ? what are your goals ? how you want to achieve them ? etc Pharo comes with its own set of problems and flaws like any other language out there, by trying it out you will find yourself if it can fit your needs. In any case welcome back, Pharoers have worked hard to push smalltalk forward and they are very active and helpful. On other hand Pharo would not even exist if Squeak did not exist so you could say "Pharo is built on shoulder of giants" ;) For me Pharo has a long way to go before I call it "polished" but no doubt its getting there and is a fascinating project. As Heraclitus said "Everything moves" On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > hello all, > > i had to do it. > after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the list, i > went out and checked on the current state of squeak and self. > > looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from > experienced developers and visionaries. > > since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to work > with pharo. > > also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have diverged > too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for pharo which is so > highly polished already and is being constantly improved! > > so here i am, back in pharo land. > > ~mayuresh > > >

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] i "am" back ...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

welcome back ! On 19 Sep 2014, at 14:07, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > hello all, > > i had to do it. > after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the list, i went out and checked on the current state of squeak and self. > > looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from experienced developers and visionaries. > > since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to work with pharo. > > also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have diverged too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for pharo which is so highly polished already and is being constantly improved! > > so here i am, back in pharo land. > > ~mayuresh > >

Sept. 19, 2014

i "am" back ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

hello all, i had to do it. after listening to everybody's comments about my questions to the list, i went out and checked on the current state of squeak and self. looks like squeak and self definitely need a lot of attention from experienced developers and visionaries. since i don't fall squarely in either category, it would be best to work with pharo. also, as someone had mentioned, almost all smalltalk systems have diverged too much from the st-80 specification, so why not go for pharo which is so highly polished already and is being constantly improved! so here i am, back in pharo land. ~mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

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