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Re: [Pharo-users] Changes file size

by phil＠highoctane.be

ls -l ~jenkins/jobs/BaseWorker/workspace/*.changes -rw-r--r-- 1 jenkins jenkins 244869 Oct 25 09:30 /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/BaseWorker/workspace/Pharo.changes becoming -rw-r--r-- 1 jenkins jenkins 265779 Oct 25 09:30 /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/BaseWorker/workspace/X-Builder.changes becoming (couple packages like Seaside & friends) -rw-r--r-- 1 jenkins jenkins 30127371 Oct 26 10:11 /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/BaseWorker/workspace/X-BaseWorker.changes becoming (user code and customized packages) -rw-r--r-- 1 jenkins jenkins 31774426 Oct 26 10:12 /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/BaseWorker/workspace/X-frontend.changes Condensing that takes quite a while... I see a "Swapping source pointers" progress bar on the top left. Looks like there are a lot of "become:" going on. [ PharoChangesCondenser condense ] timeToRun 0:00:45:12.88 - in a VM under VMWare, i7 3.85Ghz host. -rw-rw-r-- 1 philippeback philippeback 30008723 Oct 28 09:52 X-frontend-20141028_0848-tocondense-work-condensed.changes Not that much growth on the changes file. Working image has -rw-rw-r-- 1 philippeback philippeback 85099190 Oct 28 08:48 X-frontend-20141028_0848-tocondense.changes So, nice reduction and not growing. Phil â

Oct. 28, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Changes file size

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Esteban, The Reddit example's CI Job (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Reddit/) also loads Seaside and Glorp (two big packages) in Pharo 3 and it too results in a 110 Mb image and 142 Mb changes file. After condensing, that goes to 276 Mb ! I would say something is wrong here ;-) Note that condensing changes on newly loaded code should not make much difference (in essence, all multiple versions of methods are reduced to 1). I think we should create some issues out of this. Sven > On 28 Oct 2014, at 07:25, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Well... after finishing the condensing, the changes file passed form 140 mb... to 280 mb :) > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > 2014-10-28 3:08 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I know we're on our way to get rid of changes, but meanwhile after installing my Metacello config I end up with an image of 40megs and a changes file of 140 megs!!! > > It doesn't load anything too esoteric: Glorp, Magritte, Seaside, Postgres, NeoCSV and my own packages. > > I can run PharoChangesCondenser condense, but it takes forever! (I started it 20 minutes ago and it's still running). > > Is there a way I can improve this situation? > > Esteban A. Maringolo >

Oct. 28, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Changes file size

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Well... after finishing the condensing, the changes file passed form 140 mb... to 280 mb :) Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-10-28 3:08 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I know we're on our way to get rid of changes, but meanwhile after > installing my Metacello config I end up with an image of 40megs and a > changes file of 140 megs!!! > > It doesn't load anything too esoteric: Glorp, Magritte, Seaside, Postgres, > NeoCSV and my own packages. > > I can run PharoChangesCondenser condense, but it takes forever! (I > started it 20 minutes ago and it's still running). > > Is there a way I can improve this situation? > > Esteban A. Maringolo >

Oct. 28, 2014

Changes file size

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I know we're on our way to get rid of changes, but meanwhile after installing my Metacello config I end up with an image of 40megs and a changes file of 140 megs!!! It doesn't load anything too esoteric: Glorp, Magritte, Seaside, Postgres, NeoCSV and my own packages. I can run PharoChangesCondenser condense, but it takes forever! (I started it 20 minutes ago and it's still running). Is there a way I can improve this situation? Esteban A. Maringolo

Oct. 28, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] using pillar and/or pillarhub

by kilon alios

I personally use emacs , git , github and gitbook.io. There is a pillar preview for GT tools (as Sven mentioned), but I have not tested thoroughly . So maybe editing pillar inside Pharo is not that far away. Overall pillar syntax is very simple and quite small so it should not be that hard to implement for Pharo. Afterall Pillar is implemented in Pharo. But still Pharo cannot compete with emacs for editing text . Which is fine because nothing stops me from using both Pharo and Emacs and I love both tools very much. My dream would be not to use Pillar at all and Pharo instead have a documentation tool like LibreOffice that allow you to export to Pillar files. Why meta-tag or code when you can design ? ;) On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:38 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > On 27/10/14 17:28, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to experiment with Pillar however I'm not sure what to use to >> edit it. I was expecting some kind of editor with preview directly in Pharo >> but there is nothing. The next best thing I found was PillarHub based on >> Ace editor, however it depends on Mozilla Persona. Is such thing needed? If >> I'm running it locally why would I need to login somewhere? You don't log >> in to IDE when you want to program. Also such thing requires internet >> connection and is all extra nuisance when used on localhost. Is there a way >> to disable it? >> >> Do you use this setup, or are you all writing it in vim/emacs and only >> compile it once in a while? >> > > I write everything in emacs, mate, texshop and I compile from time to time. > > >> Thanks, >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> > >

Oct. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] using pillar and/or pillarhub

by stepharo

On 27/10/14 17:28, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to experiment with Pillar however I'm not sure what to use to > edit it. I was expecting some kind of editor with preview directly in > Pharo but there is nothing. The next best thing I found was PillarHub > based on Ace editor, however it depends on Mozilla Persona. Is such > thing needed? If I'm running it locally why would I need to login > somewhere? You don't log in to IDE when you want to program. Also such > thing requires internet connection and is all extra nuisance when used > on localhost. Is there a way to disable it? > > Do you use this setup, or are you all writing it in vim/emacs and only > compile it once in a while? I write everything in emacs, mate, texshop and I compile from time to time. > > Thanks, > Peter > > > >

Oct. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] using pillar and/or pillarhub

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 27 Oct 2014, at 23:28, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to experiment with Pillar however I'm not sure what to use to edit it. I was expecting some kind of editor with preview directly in Pharo but there is nothing. The next best thing I found was PillarHub based on Ace editor, however it depends on Mozilla Persona. Is such thing needed? If I'm running it locally why would I need to login somewhere? You don't log in to IDE when you want to program. Also such thing requires internet connection and is all extra nuisance when used on localhost. Is there a way to disable it? > > Do you use this setup, or are you all writing it in vim/emacs and only compile it once in a while? > > Thanks, > Peter You can write Pillar using any tool, it is just text. There is also http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/writing-pillar-books-with-the-gtinspe… And this http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com Sven

Oct. 27, 2014

using pillar and/or pillarhub

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, I wanted to experiment with Pillar however I'm not sure what to use to edit it. I was expecting some kind of editor with preview directly in Pharo but there is nothing. The next best thing I found was PillarHub based on Ace editor, however it depends on Mozilla Persona. Is such thing needed? If I'm running it locally why would I need to login somewhere? You don't log in to IDE when you want to program. Also such thing requires internet connection and is all extra nuisance when used on localhost. Is there a way to disable it? Do you use this setup, or are you all writing it in vim/emacs and only compile it once in a while? Thanks, Peter

Oct. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] keyboard event

by kilon alios

yes again if you browse Morphic you will find the event-handling protocol two methods I tested is handleKeyStroke: that should return true so that your morph handles key strokes events and then you need to also override keyStroke: itself to do whatever you want to do, from there on you can check the KeyboardEvent class to see what the event that is passed to keyStroke: as argument is. for example keyStroke: event event inspect. (event keyCharacter = $h) ifTrue: [ Transcript open. Transcript show: 'Hello User and welcome to Pharo :) '] the above assume you have created a class that is subclass of Morph and you override the methods mentioned in that class. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Hans Schueren <werbung(a)hans-schueren.de> wrote: > Hello again , > > > could someone tell me the syntax for a keybord input ? > > I want to write a method which ask for keyboard input. > > Is this possible. > > > Hans > > > >

Oct. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] keyboard event

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 27 Oct 2014, at 21:08, Hans Schueren <werbung(a)hans-schueren.de> wrote: > > Hello again , > > > could someone tell me the syntax for a keybord input ? > > I want to write a method which ask for keyboard input. > > Is this possible. > > > Hans The easiest way that is available is like this: UIManager default request: 'What is your name ?'. UIManager default confirm: 'Do you like Pharo ?'. Try inspecting each expression separately. HTH, Sven

Oct. 27, 2014