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question on syntax "negate numbers"

by Nicolai Hess

Old compiler refuses to accept this code: - 4 @ -5 ^-- nothing more expected Opal compiler does just fine: - 4 @ -5 -> (-4@ -5) who is right?

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Johan Fabry

Roelof, I just want to say that I highly recommend that you read Kilonâs PBE chapters in the link that he includes in his mail. It will help you to get the basic knowledge that you need to be able to improve your Pharo knowledge. From your mails it seems to me that you still need to work on that, to get the fundamentals right (sorry if I am mistaken in that, Iâm only human). On Nov 8, 2014, at 9:06 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ok that top tool up there is finder , if you open it the first option for searching will be "selectors" , selectors are methods, if you did not know this I advise to read PBE since you need to have this basic understanding to use Pharo. > > I have also began to port PBE to Pharo 3 because existing PBE is still for Pharo 1.4 , you can read it here --> http://kilon.gitbooks.io/pbe/ > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry I mean a method. > > Pharo version : 3.0 > OS : Windows 7 Home > Image release : 30860 > > screenshot : http://snag.gy/ISMs7.jpg > > Roelof ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] About PBE status was Re: How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by kilon alios

yeah i have left some things behind like linking through chapters some meta-tags to figures , small info here and there to speed up my documentation effort. I felt that it was better to focus on the content itself and porting as many chapters as possible than the technical details with the assumption that people eventually would come in to fill my gaps. Personally I felt at some point that it would be better if PBE was inside Pharo , it would make it much easier for example instead of displaying images to have a link that would open the pharo tool and see directly the tool itself instead of a screenshot. Also examples could open in workspace so the user could directly play on them. Still searching a way to do this :) On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi kilon > > Thanks for continuing to push it. I really want to see PharoByExample in > Pharo30/40. > I will read and compare with the orginal the UpdatePharoByExample and do a > pass on the chapters you did. > I saw that some references are not found. I will have a look. I should > change the latex template to print in a better way >> > because right now this is a bit ugly but a detail. We should probably use > the latest version of pillar. I will check if damien > can help us on this one. > > Stef > > > >

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by stepharo

On 7/11/14 18:12, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books > Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and > this http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ > > As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing > a book about Pharo. :) :) This is so true. When you force yourselves to be sure that other people can understand something you have to deeply understand it. stef

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] About PBE status was Re: How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by stepharo

Hi kilon Thanks for continuing to push it. I really want to see PharoByExample in Pharo30/40. I will read and compare with the orginal the UpdatePharoByExample and do a pass on the chapters you did. I saw that some references are not found. I will have a look. I should change the latex template to print in a better way >> because right now this is a bit ugly but a detail. We should probably use the latest version of pillar. I will check if damien can help us on this one. Stef

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

ok that top tool up there is finder , if you open it the first option for searching will be "selectors" , selectors are methods, if you did not know this I advise to read PBE since you need to have this basic understanding to use Pharo. I have also began to port PBE to Pharo 3 because existing PBE is still for Pharo 1.4 , you can read it here --> http://kilon.gitbooks.io/pbe/ On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry I mean a method. > > Pharo version : 3.0 > OS : Windows 7 Home > Image release : 30860 > > screenshot : http://snag.gy/ISMs7.jpg > > Roelof > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 22:08: > > also whats a module ? > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Thanks, >> >> I can see a choice finder but as far as I can see I cannot use it for >> modules. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> >> >> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 21:21: >> >> start here >> >> http://pharo.org/documentation >> >> here a video tutorial series i created >> >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ >> >> you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. >> >> if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of >> world menu. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better >>> how smalltalk works. >>> >>> I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> >>> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: >>> >>> yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, >>> understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and >>> boom your are an expert :) >>> >>> Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions >>> here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that >>> finds pharo enjoyable and useful. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know >>>> very well how pharo works. >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >>>> >>>> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books >>>> Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >>>> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >>>> >>>> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing >>>> a book about Pharo. :) >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a >>>>> expert in Pharo ? >>>>> >>>>> Roelof >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

also whats a module ? On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Thanks, > > I can see a choice finder but as far as I can see I cannot use it for > modules. > > Roelof > > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 21:21: > > start here > > http://pharo.org/documentation > > here a video tutorial series i created > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ > > you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. > > if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of world > menu. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better >> how smalltalk works. >> >> I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> >> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: >> >> yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, >> understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and >> boom your are an expert :) >> >> Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions >> here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that >> finds pharo enjoyable and useful. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know >>> very well how pharo works. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >>> >>> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books >>> Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >>> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >>> >>> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing >>> a book about Pharo. :) >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a >>>> expert in Pharo ? >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

can you post a screenshot please of what you see ? also provide the pharo version, os and image release . You can find the release in World Menu > System > About On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Thanks, > > I can see a choice finder but as far as I can see I cannot use it for > modules. > > Roelof > > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 21:21: > > start here > > http://pharo.org/documentation > > here a video tutorial series i created > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ > > you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. > > if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of world > menu. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better >> how smalltalk works. >> >> I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> >> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: >> >> yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, >> understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and >> boom your are an expert :) >> >> Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions >> here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that >> finds pharo enjoyable and useful. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know >>> very well how pharo works. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >>> >>> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books >>> Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >>> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >>> >>> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing >>> a book about Pharo. :) >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a >>>> expert in Pharo ? >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 7, 2014