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Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by stepharo

Le 20/12/14 13:44, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > kilon.alios wrote >> even if continue to use Spec I will stiil have to rely on Morphic >> since custom GUIs is really important for me. > Yes, that's why they can not be compared: > Morphic = make and understand any UI This is not the case from my experience fighting with morphic. > Spec = make common business UIs easily (on top of a general framework like > Morphic) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Question-about-Morphic-in-Pharo-4-tp4796331p4796532.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] FTP and WebDAV Plugins for Pharo's FileSystem

by Hilaire

Thanks to share! Hilaire Le 21/12/2014 23:12, Udo Schneider a Ã©crit : > All, > > I just finished FTP and WebDAV plugins for Pharo's FileSystem. This > means you can now access remote FTP and WebDAV loactions with the exact > same FileSystem API you are using to access local disks. > > The project lives on Smalltalk Hub: > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~UdoSchneider/FileSystemNetwork > > Details in the project README or in a Blog entry: > http://readthesourceluke.blogspot.de/2014/12/ftp-and-webdav-plugins-for-pha… > > > Best Regards, > > Udo > > PS: Support for Netware & Rumpus FTP Servers as well as S3 support is > next :-) > > > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by stepharo

Le 19/12/14 17:53, nacho a Ã©crit : > Esteban, > I agree 100%. > In fact that was, in part, the reason of my question. As I don't see a Spec > UI coming soon I was wondering if perhaps Morphic will be trimmed in Pharo > 4. No Now have a look at Bloc in AlainPlantec/Bloc > Thanks > Cheers > Nacho > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Question-about-Morphic-in-Pharo-4-tp4796331p4796452.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by stepharo

> if I can say it, I think Spec has several design flaws, that prevent us to actually use it productively. > > 1st: I believe Spec is 80% of what Morphic should do by it self, but since is now that monster no body wants to take by the horns, Spec provides a layer. > 2nd: The original idea of Spec is to produce composable objects that can be some-kind described and then reused by plugging them, but > - is an idea that has a lot of sense is we have a UI builderâ¦ which we dont. 2 > - the metadata itself is not very well defined (I would like something like the ones in VW and StX, but is like a weird array right now), because of this, Spec has created some âin the middleâ way to define specs in a more âdeclarative wayâ, breaking the original design (the one I just pointed) > 3rd: Frankly, with this âmore declarative wayâ spec adopted more or less the same path glamour took. But if this is the point, glamour does a really better work on the âdeclarativeâ part. Of course, it does that at the cost of being less reusable, but wellâ¦ we are talking about Spec, not Glaour here :) > > So, to summarise, IMHO: > > - Spec wouldnât have much sense in a well-defined, clean, Morphic Not really we need a way to express and reuse logic. This is what we saw with alain so we will valueholder and may be spec to compose widgets but we will see. > - Even as a layer, Spec still does not has much sense without: > -- a rebuild of the descriptive model -- shrinking of the api -- cleaning of announcement mess > -- an UI builder to use it. yes > > cheers, > Esteban > > >> On 19 Dec 2014, at 17:32, nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I too prefer Morphic over Spec. I find Spec too much verbose. And in fact, >> Morphic as presented in the Self language it's a much modern approach to >> building UIs than Spec which is pure code. So as complicated as it might >> have become, I'm still attached to Morphic. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Nacho >> Smalltalker apprentice. >> Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Question-about-Morphic-in-Pharo-4-tp4796331p4796449.h… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by stepharo

Hi daniel, I do not have the time to go too much into the details. Now orginal Morphic made mistake (global coordinates is one). What is important for us: - cleaning the current version (we made a lot of progress with FrameLayout and others) - untangling polymorph - migrating to athens may be better to build on Bloc but we will see (note that Bloc is fully vectorial now since a couple of days) - supporting themes correctly - identifying and improving widgets - UIBuilder theme with all the widgets creation in this class is a bad pattern. Each widget should have its API in its class! - cleaning Spec (we should handle the announcement plague) - in parallel prepare the future with Bloc. - I'm currently reading code and adding new class comments - preparing a tutorial - checking the widget we built Stef

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building agents in Pharo

by stepharo

> > > Hi Stef, > > In very simple terms I want to build a system that would look at what > you are typing in a text box, and have various agents that analyse the > text and modify/augment it. > > Simple Examples: > > 1. If I enter a web address it could look it up on Delicious.com and > extract links that had been similarly tagged. > 2. If I enter something that looks like a name, it would search > google scholar, or mendeley and include links to any documents > 3. If I entered "call david tomorrow" it would be able to add > something to my things to do list. > > My - very early - thoughts are that I need to continually parse the > text, as I type, and various agents would look for the things they are > interested in. The question is how best to model this, and process > the data. You see this is what the color higlighting is doing. You type and in parallel it is trying to colorize the text. After I'm not sure that you need agents running all the time (reacting to each characters you type). I would be you I would - prototype a hierarchy of classes whose instances have a kind of patterns to know if they should be kick in - at the end of each line, I would send the line to a list of such "agent" and react - then only then, I would consider to fork the behavior of the agents. why? because when you can avoid concurrency this is simpler :) > > Cheers > Andy >

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Â¿Tagged branch development support in Pharo/Moose?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi again, Any pointer to the answer? Cheers, Offray El 18/12/14 a las 12:48, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > I wonder if there is something like fossil tagged branches and some > visual clues to know to which branch commit and how to do merges. See > for example at: > > http://fossil-scm.org/index.html/timeline?y=ci > > I have read the PBE2 book on monticello development and is easy to go to > a previous version, made some changes and then merge from there, but > seems not much "elegant". I would expect something like the possibility > to commit to a particular branch with a particular name o create one if > none is named like that, in a similar way to fossil. Also I would expect > some tree-like visualization of the branches, commits and merges. > > There is something that can support this development workflow? > > Thanks, > > Offray > >

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building agents in Pharo

by Andy Burnett

> > Stef said > << > > Andy which kind of agents would you like to build? > I was playing with Actalk (I should resurrect it in Pharo 40. > But in essence an object with a thread and a mailbox > > Stef > > >> Hi Stef, In very simple terms I want to build a system that would look at what you are typing in a text box, and have various agents that analyse the text and modify/augment it. Simple Examples: 1. If I enter a web address it could look it up on Delicious.com and extract links that had been similarly tagged. 2. If I enter something that looks like a name, it would search google scholar, or mendeley and include links to any documents 3. If I entered "call david tomorrow" it would be able to add something to my things to do list. My - very early - thoughts are that I need to continually parse the text, as I type, and various agents would look for the things they are interested in. The question is how best to model this, and process the data. Cheers Andy

Dec. 23, 2014

Christmas gift: Memory Monitor

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! Torsten motivated us to upgrade Memory monitor. Here is the script: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'abergel' project: 'MemoryMonitor'; configurationOf: 'MemoryMonitor'; loadStable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= In Pharo 3.0, you get something like: In Pharo 4.0, buttons are missing. Any idea whatâs wrong? Memory monitor is accessible from the configuration browser. Kind regards, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 22, 2014

Do not forget to register to Pharo days...

by stepharo

http://pharodays2015.pharo.org Stef

Dec. 22, 2014