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Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moose 5.0

by giorgio ferraris

Hi, Guys, I'm not (yet) working on Pharo (still VW and some VisualSmalltalk in the few time left free from my main job), but I follow what you do (not just you but all the community) and I have to admit you (all) work really hard. Bergel is doing a fantastic job, and your Moose is very nice, etc. But, I really liked the presentation of the GT stuff, I can understand the energy you put behind your work. Great work. I'm happy you are on the ST community and working on the language (ST) i like the most. Thanks! (Oh, I know you don't like to have Pharo called Smalltalk, but I don't like religion's wars, so that is yet smalltalk, for me). BTW: Happy Holidays to all. Giorgio On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > We are happy to announce Moose 5.0: > *http://moosetechnology.org/#install* > > > Description > --- > > This is by far the most extensive Moose release to date. Just take a look > at these two trailers. > - Spotter: https://vimeo.com/113832673 > - Inspector: https://vimeo.com/103463364 > > The key highlights are: > - It is based on Pharo 3.0. > - Roassal2 is a complete reimplementation of the core visual engine of > Moose. > - Roassal2 replaced Roassal, EyeSee and Graph-ET, and it features many new > things including smooth animations, new composeable builders and several > new layouts. > - All built-in Moose visualizations use Roassal2. > - Glamour has been extended with a Pager browser and with Rubric as the > main text editor. > - GTSpotter is a new tool that makes it possible to find objects fast. > - GTInspector saw major usability improvements based on the Pager browser, > and it now comes with many object specific extensions. > - GTPlayground provides a new way to handle scripts and when combined with > GTInspector, it can replace the dedicated easels and editors. > - Moose Finder has been extended with the ability of handling in place > visualizations. > - GTDebugger has been strengthen and was made more robust. > - PetitParser has been extended with the notion of context which enables > elegant island parsing. > > A list of issues addressed in this release can be found at: > > http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list?can=1&q=status=Fixed%… > > > Installation > --- > > The Moose Suite 5.0 comes for each platform as a separate bundle: > - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Mac>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ > moose_suite_5_0-mac.zip > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-mac.zip> > * > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-mac.zip*> > - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Windows>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ > moose_suite_5_0-win.zip > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-win.zip> > * > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-win.zip*> > - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Linux>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ > moose_suite_5_0-linux.zip > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-linux.zip> > * > <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-linux.zi…> > > The Moose Suite 5.0 can also be loaded in a Pharo 3.0 image either from > the Configuration Browser, or by executing the following script: > > ==Gofer new > == smalltalkhubUser: 'Moose' project: 'Moose'; > == configuration; > == loadStable > > > Happy holidays! > The Moose team >

Dec. 24, 2014

[ann] moose 5.0

by Tudor Girba

We are happy to announce Moose 5.0: *http://moosetechnology.org/#install* Description --- This is by far the most extensive Moose release to date. Just take a look at these two trailers. - Spotter: https://vimeo.com/113832673 - Inspector: https://vimeo.com/103463364 The key highlights are: - It is based on Pharo 3.0. - Roassal2 is a complete reimplementation of the core visual engine of Moose. - Roassal2 replaced Roassal, EyeSee and Graph-ET, and it features many new things including smooth animations, new composeable builders and several new layouts. - All built-in Moose visualizations use Roassal2. - Glamour has been extended with a Pager browser and with Rubric as the main text editor. - GTSpotter is a new tool that makes it possible to find objects fast. - GTInspector saw major usability improvements based on the Pager browser, and it now comes with many object specific extensions. - GTPlayground provides a new way to handle scripts and when combined with GTInspector, it can replace the dedicated easels and editors. - Moose Finder has been extended with the ability of handling in place visualizations. - GTDebugger has been strengthen and was made more robust. - PetitParser has been extended with the notion of context which enables elegant island parsing. A list of issues addressed in this release can be found at: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list?can=1&q=status=Fixed%… Installation --- The Moose Suite 5.0 comes for each platform as a separate bundle: - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Mac>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ moose_suite_5_0-mac.zip <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-mac.zip> * <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-mac.zip*> - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Windows>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ moose_suite_5_0-win.zip <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-win.zip> * <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-win.zip*> - *Moose Suite 5.0 for Linux>http://moosetechnology.org/res/download/ moose_suite_5_0-linux.zip <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_5_0-linux.zip> * <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18323746/Moose/moose_suite_4_8-linux.zi…> The Moose Suite 5.0 can also be loaded in a Pharo 3.0 image either from the Configuration Browser, or by executing the following script: ==Gofer new == smalltalkhubUser: 'Moose' project: 'Moose'; == configuration; == loadStable Happy holidays! The Moose team

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building agents in Pharo

by Andy Burnett

Doru wrote <<< Hi Andy, You can also just hook into GTSpotter. It already provides the infrastructure for handling parallel search and lets you focus only on specifying the search logic. Cheers, Doru >>> Brilliant! I am very impressed with GTSpotter. In fact, I am impressed with the whole GT suite. I think I will build a first prototype with Glamour and GTSpotter. By the way, what really motivated me to do this experiment is the tools - from the 90's - that were presented in this "Story of Siri" video. If you have the time, it is well worth watching. Being able to build this sort of capability into an environment like Pharo would be amazing https://wit.ai/blog/2014/12/18/adam-keynote Cheers Andy

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] how do you use scripts?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, Here are my answers: El 12/12/14 a las 06:14, Tudor Girba escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > As input for designing new features that better support scripting in Pharo, we > would benefit from a bit more input around the role scripts play in your > development life. > > To this end, I would like to invite you to share your scripting experience. Here > are some questions to start from, but feel free to diverge: > > - What kind of actions do you put in scripts? Being a non programmer newbie with some experience python and some other scripting languages, scripts bridge the gap between pharo and my previous experiences in programming. I use scripts to: - Put everything that is not in a method or some concept test of something that would end in a method. - Run some code snippets when I'm catching up with the list and try to understand what the talk is about. - Ask questions more precisely trying to run minimal examples of my issues to focus the question. - Interchange text notes with code for making memories of my own understanding. > > - Do you rely on script files stored on the disk at all? > Yes. > - Where do you store your scripts (in one folder, in many folders)? In a ston file which contains my notes on different projects which doesn't conform to the class hierarchy/logic. I have attached my "Aprentice Notes" as an example. > - Do you version your scripts? Yes on fossil dvcs. > - Do you store them in separate files with dedicated names, or tend to put > multiple snippets in one larger file? One larger file in ston format. > - Do you rely on the names of the scripts? Yes and the hierarchy where they are located. See the attached screenshot. > - Why do you use a script file and not a class? > See first answer. Cheers, Offray

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by Sean P. DeNigris

stepharo wrote >> Morphic = make and understand any UI > This is not the case from my experience fighting with morphic. Agreed, of course ;) We were talking about intention, not implementation. In what little experience I have, I think that statement would be true full stop for Self's Morphic. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Question-about-Morphic-in-Pharo-4-tp4796331p4796783.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by nacho

>No >Now have a look at Bloc in AlainPlantec/Bloc Thanks Stef, Where I can find about Bloc?? I want to take a look at it! cheers ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Question-about-Morphic-in-Pharo-4-tp4796331p4796781.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building agents in Pharo

by Tudor Girba

Hi Andy, You can also just hook into GTSpotter. It already provides the infrastructure for handling parallel search and lets you focus only on specifying the search logic. Cheers, Doru On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Andy Burnett < andy.burnett(a)knowinnovation.com> wrote: > > Stef wrote > << > > You see this is what the color higlighting is doing. > You type and in parallel it is trying to colorize the text. > After I'm not sure that you need agents running all the time (reacting > to each characters you type). > I would be you I would > - prototype a hierarchy of classes whose instances have a kind of > patterns to know if they should be kick in > - at the end of each line, I would send the line to a list of such > "agent" and react > > - then only then, I would consider to fork the behavior of the agents. > why? because when you can avoid concurrency this is simpler :) > > >> > > Thanks, that sounds like a very good way forward. I will go and try to > understand the highlighting code. > > Cheers > Andy > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Question about Morphic in Pharo 4

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks Johan for taking the time to answer all of thisâ¦ Cheers, Alexandre > On Dec 20, 2014, at 2:18 AM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > >> On Dec 19, 2014, at 21:54, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> "UI Element = an interactive graphical element displayed as part of the Graphical User Interface. >> UI Model = an object that contains the state and behavior of one or several UI elements." >> >> "To define a user interface, it is sufficient to define the model of the user interface. [â¦] since all UIs are constructed through composition of other UI's, and it is sufficient to define the model to define the UI, the root class of all UIs is named ComposableModel.So, to define a new user interface, a subclass of ComposableModel needs to be created.â" >> >> I dont understand this for me a GUI is a UI with graphics I dont see it as two separate entities. I dont see what the model is in my case and why I should inform Spec about it. I just wanted to create some buttons I dont see how those method returning the names of the buttons as instance variables helps me in any way. Whats the benefit ? > > This is an explanation of how the whole is composed of the different parts and how different responsibilities of the UI are split up amongst different classes. In Morphic these are joined and thatâs a reason why many persons are unhappy with it. > >> "Just wondering, did you see an example with the double instantiation of models or with the needles splitting up in methods? If so tell us where it is so we can fix it." >> >> Double initiation may have been just me not understanding documentation or probably I saw an example that confused me. Splitting up methods is probably the first thing I learned using Squeak and Pharo. Also The system browser turns red if you make long methods . > > I focused on you splitting up into methods because that was a complaint of yours and you said you were following Spec examples when doing that. > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Building agents in Pharo

by Andy Burnett

Stef wrote << You see this is what the color higlighting is doing. You type and in parallel it is trying to colorize the text. After I'm not sure that you need agents running all the time (reacting to each characters you type). I would be you I would - prototype a hierarchy of classes whose instances have a kind of patterns to know if they should be kick in - at the end of each line, I would send the line to a list of such "agent" and react - then only then, I would consider to fork the behavior of the agents. why? because when you can avoid concurrency this is simpler :) >> Thanks, that sounds like a very good way forward. I will go and try to understand the highlighting code. Cheers Andy

Dec. 23, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Do not forget to register to Pharo days...

by Tudor Girba

Indeed. Please do not postpone the registration. And feel free to make noise :). Cheers, Doru On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:59 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > http://pharodays2015.pharo.org > > Stef > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 23, 2014