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Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:56 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just > the > past several weeks. The excitement is palpable. > > Up until recently, Smalltalk has been all but forgotten in the IT community > at large. Do you need evidence? > > Consider that organizations such as the Smalltalk Foundation or ESUG have > not achieved even this much in 9 months, or several years! Just how quick > should progress be in your mind? > The thing is... by over-promoting yourself, you implicitly put down these groups, which consist of the very same people that are the leaders of this community. That is not very astute. You are not marketing yourself very well to the community you purport to represent. > > You have no conception of the amount of work I've put into the SRP. You > are quick to dismiss it all as, what, hot air? > > The other thing is... you don't see much other people on the list bemoaning that they've done so much. Constructively, I'd ask you to pay attention to this... http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool -ben P.S. Earlier I meant to provide you this link to the "Blub Paradox", you might like to refer to in your writings. http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by kilon alios

I am very happy with Pharo and of course I love it. I love Pharo because it is very good, and its very good because people have worked hard to improve it. New libraries, new bug fixes, new tools , even pharo is small its actually quite hard to follow its evolution because it surprisingly active. Another positive factor is that the community is really open to contributions and new ideas, it may sound like implied for an open source project but is not always the case. I feel sad at time because my lack of knowledge holds me back from contributing more, learning is hard because there is not tons of documentation like other languages so there a lot that one have to figure out by himself. But I dont mind the hard work , its fun. I have figured out sockets, regex, Spec and even played with the Dark theme this past year. Now I try to figure out petitparser and how to parse python types to pharo objects. I want to help newcomers to love pharo with updated documentation and new tools to simplify workflow. I contributed to the new Pharo By example by porting 5 chapters to Pharo 3 and also created almost 4 hours of Pharo video tutorials. I move slowly but I am moving :) My goal for 2015 is also to start documenting Morphic. Pharo is my fun hour ;) On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:03 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals > dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and > making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much > indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, > nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great > piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then > there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it > is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Hubcap questions

by Stephan Eggermont

HernÃ¡n wrote: >My goal is to search the contents of the Description form field in SmalltalkHub. >I don't know if matches the design and idea of Hubcap (really nice package BTW). >I wonder if anyone (Torsten?) tried to download all package metadata first and perform off-line search? What I did was take a look at mcx history and try to derive the latest one, and then use the Moose mczimporter to derive a list of signatures of (possibly) sent messages. The idea was to find out when packages change in a non-compatible way. >Someone posted time ago a list of all repositories, can you share how to do it? The code for that is in http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/StephanEggermont/DeprecationFinder/main The code is deliberately slowed down to not bring down smalltalkhub. Stephan

Jan. 19, 2015

What we have with our community: near indestructible

by phil＠highoctane.be

I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our community. There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much indestructible. We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, nimble, ... I don't know. That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. I came on board with 1.3. The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great piece of software. And things are accelerating. I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it is true as we have full control on the tool. Just wanted to share. Peace. Phil

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?

by kilon alios

Boys dont be fooled , this is Skynet. The End is Nigh! On the subject of manners, you look like a sensible being even for an AI, just be polite. And yes replying to messages is a way to be polite also its not about manners, generally sharing your experience with pharo can help benefit all of us or some of us. There is a reason that I am registered to this mailing list and is way more just to answer my questions about Pharo , it is about learning through the experience of others. I have 3 rules that I demand others including me to follow 1) respect others 2) have fun as much as you can handle 3) be stubborn never give up Now of you of go back to making your army of terminators and I'll be back. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Laura Risani <laura.risani(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alexandre, i was born human. One day i fell in love and my heart was > broken. Not having found a fix, i remain since then a heartless bot. > > 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com > > wrote: > >> Guysâ¦ >> I am convinced that Laura is not a real person, but simply a bot. >> >> Laura, prove me I am wrong, how much is 2 + 3 ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Laura Risani <laura.risani(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Thank you all for your responses. They led me to a founded criteria on >> posting behavior, one about which i was quite unsure before. >> > >> > >> > @Stephan Eggermont >> > I will always provide feedback. And try my best to format it. >> > >> > @stepharo >> > >because this is a challenge to answer questions and a really good way >> to learn >> > Interesting point, i haven't thought about. >> > >> > @ben >> > >My favourite reference is Eric S Raymond's "How To Ask Smart >> Questions". http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. >> > I like people who doesn't consider the basic to be trivial. >> > >> > @Hilaire >> > >it is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: >> the problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, >> > simple and effective way to contribute. >> > Should one embrace the policy of each time one gets a question answered >> or a problem solved on the list, make a self answering post on Stack >> Overflow to render it readably available to others and also as a practical >> display of gratitude? If the question gets closed it won't be matter (or >> just a little) >> > >> > Best, >> > Laura >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> > Le 17/01/2015 00:48, Laura Risani a Ã©crit : >> > > It doesn't kind of feel right saying nothing when someone gives me a >> > > rather lengthly answer, unless it was the tacit agreement. >> > > >> > > So i'm facing questions whether or not to make a post, because i'm not >> > > sure which are the right/usual manners for this particular mail-list >> > > form of communication. >> > > >> > >> > One can guess the right manner is the same manner you will use in real >> > life: if you get help from a problem, you just say thank you. >> > >> > In the other hand, if you find yourself the answer to your problem, it >> > is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: the >> > problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, >> > simple and effective way to contribute. >> > >> > Hilaire >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu >> > iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >

Jan. 19, 2015

Hubcap questions

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi all, My goal is to search the contents of the Description form field in SmalltalkHub. I don't know if matches the design and idea of Hubcap (really nice package BTW). I wonder if anyone (Torsten?) tried to download all package metadata first and perform off-line search? Someone posted time ago a list of all repositories, can you share how to do it? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Essays

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:42 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We have a couple of essays published at Smalltalk renaissance > <https://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/category/essays/> . *We need > more.* > > This is our opportunity to answer the questions, concerns, and criticisms > of > non-Smalltalk developers, an opportunity afforded by the SRP, which is > drawing much new attention to Smalltalk. We should exploit this > opportunity and not waste it. > > Suggested essay topics include: > > - talk about actual use of Smalltalk in the enterprise > Sorry, I've not programmed for an enterprise - expand on the much-touted productivity advantage of Smalltalk (many > people are skeptical) > Really hard to say without empirical data, otherwise it is just subjective and hearsay. > - explain how the experience of using the Smalltalk environment is > superior to that of Eclipse, IntelliJ, Visual Studio, etc. > Never really used them. > - talk about future developments in Smalltalk, eg, concurrency features, > new IDEs, new tooling, etc. > This is where good things are happening - but others are better placed. > - any other topics you may deem noteworthy > > So, please, contribute an essay. /Without you, there is no campaign./ > > Send all submissions to my personal email: horrido.hobbies at gmail dot > com. > > Thanks. > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] NBSQLite3 on OS X - Pharo 3

by Mircea S.

Thank you for the fast response. 1. You are right. OS X 10.9 Mavericks and 10.10 Yosemite come with libsqlite3.dylib built in as SQLite3 is used in Safari and a number of other places. This is the reason Pharo and NBSQLite3 never complained about a missing library to start with. 2. The default location for the myfile.db still eludes me somehow. You are again right about NBSQLite3Connection on: '/Volumes/MacHDD/Users/Shared/myfile.db'. actually creating the file if none is found, however just using NBSQLite3Connection on: 'myfile.db'. without a path leaves me dumbfounded as to where this file is created, searching for produces no results. Maybe it's created inside the image itself somewhere? Pe 19 ian. 2015, la 11:12, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> a scris: > Hi Mircea, > > - About the library: > You can either install the sqlite library close to the VM or, as mac is a unix, in /usr/lib. I have for example mine in here: > > /usr/lib/libsqlite3.dylib > > The VM loads the libraries dinamically, so putting the library in one of those locations should IIRC by default look at those places. > > - about the db file: > > do you already have a db file you want to open? > Usually the db file is next to the image again IIRC ^^. > > What you can actually try is opening an unexistent database, what will create a new file for you. That will give you an idea of where the database file should be placed. > > Hope that helps, > Guille > > > El Mon Jan 19 2015 at 9:54:56 AM, Mircea S. <mircea(a)unom.ro> escribiÃ³: >> Forgot to mention I want to use a relative path if at all possible. >> >> >> >> Pe 19 ian. 2015, la 00:46, Mircea S. <mircea(a)unom.ro> a scris: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I was looking into NBSQLite3 using the guide on smalltalkhub, pasted it below. >>> >>> 1. NBSQLite3 seems to be missing from "Tools" -> "Configuration Browser" so I had to use the Gopher script. >>> >>> 2. I can't seem to get the around to installing the sqlite engine on my mac. What is the default folder there? Do I need this? >>> >>> 2a. On the same page with the one above. What is the location where the db.sqlite file must be copied to? On the mac I can put it in the same folder (no go) or "show package contents" on Pharo itself to see the folders inside the package, tried Contents/Resources there but no dice. >>> >>> No matter what I try I get a NBSQLite3Error: unable to open database file form one of the reasons above. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Mir S. >>> >>> Installation >>> >>> You can access NBSQLite3 from the Pharo configuration browser. Just select "Tools" -> "Configuration Browser" from the world menu, enter "NBSQLite3" and install the stable version. >>> >>> Alternatively to install the packages manually into your Pharo image just evaluate: >>> >>> Gofer new url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/NBSQLite3/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3) project stableVersion) load. >>> If you need access to the SQLite3 database engine you need at a minimum the "NBSQLite3-Core" package which is loaded by the ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3 class. >>> >>> This package includes all necessary API to access the sqlite engine. >>> >>> Use in your own application >>> >>> Providing the library files >>> >>> To use the sqlite3 database engine in own Pharo projects you need to install the "sqlite3" database engine first. Basically it is only a shared library component that has to be found by the Pharo virtual machine. >>> >>> For instance on Windows operating system you can download the "sqlite3.dll" component from http://www.sqlite.org/ and copy it into the same directory where the Pharo VM (Pharo.exe) is. >>> >>> After loading NBSQLite3 as described before you can run the unit tests to see if anything is correctly setup and the virtual machine is able to find the sqlite3 engine. >>> >>> Use in your code >>> >>> Creating a connection >>> >>> The most important class to use for creating a database is the class NBSQLite3Connection. For instance the following expression: >>> >>> NBSQLite3Connection on: 'myfile.db'.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Yes, I thought about joking. But see, having this kind of e-mails with tone of accusation and request for proof... sounds horrible. This is not a nice welcome for newbies. HernÃ¡n 2015-01-19 11:34 GMT-03:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > AI has come a long way in the last few years ! :-) > > (Sorry, I could not resist â¦ ) > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 05:49, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Alex, we exchanged some e-mails last week, I claim is human based on > e-mail contents. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2015-01-18 21:18 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > >> Guysâ¦ >> I am convinced that Laura is not a real person, but simply a bot. >> >> Laura, prove me I am wrong, how much is 2 + 3 ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Jan. 19, 2015