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Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by horrido

There is much to respond to here. First of all, I was NOT putting down ESUG or Smalltalk Foundation. I was simply pointing out that, despite their promotional efforts, Smalltalk has slipped out of the public consciousness, as evidenced by language rankings and coverage in the IT press, as well as the fact that Smalltalk does not compete well against the likes of Java for enterprise adoption. Have I made any inaccurate observations here? Second, I am NOT trying to over-promote myself or even promote myself at all. The only reason why I state my accomplishments is to *defend* myself against criticism. I don't want the SRP to be about me. I have repeatedly stated that the SRP is about *you*, the Smalltalk community. Without your support and contributions, I do not have a campaign. Period. To the extent that I am challenged in galvanizing the Smalltalk community, I have to visibly lead the charge. I know that everyone is pretty busy, so it is understandable that trying to get you to contribute is rather like pulling teeth. I accept that; it is part of my job. It is thus inevitable that my persona has to enter the picture. And this is apparently a point of friction. Third, it seems funny that I have to give you a "state of the union" report on the campaign. If you were paying attention at all, if you gave a damn, you would have all the information. But nevertheless, here goes... Through a web of social media, through my publications, through the mention of Smalltalk Renaissance in InfoWorld, word of Smalltalk is once again rippling out to the rest of the cybersphere. You can see this on my Twitter feed, where I am continually gaining followers, where my tweets are being retweeted and favourited. Who knows how far these tweets are propagating! It's hard to tell, but I'm guessing that *Smalltalk is on the minds of a lot more people today than it was a month ago.* Ditto for Facebook and Google+ where I'm also continually gaining followers and likes. I'm even gaining followers on WordPress, something that I did not expect. Moreover, exposure at Medium should not be underestimated. It gets a lot of eyeballs. The current tally of "The Smalltalk Revolution" is 14K views and 7.6K reads, with 16 recommendations. This is by far the most popular article I have ever written in my entire life! And I've written a lot of sh*t. Getting a mention in InfoWorld is a big deal. Congrats to James Ladd and Redline. You have no idea how hard it is to get the IT press to cover Smalltalk. I'm thankful for small victories. I have no idea what the impact of all this is, but if Smalltalk manages to get back onto the TIOBE language index in the next month or two, you can be pretty sure it's because of my efforts. Fourth, I am perfectly aware of all the Smalltalk material that have been published online over the years. It is truly voluminous and impressive. It is all part of a "grassroots" effort to promote Smalltalk, and this should not be dismissed. However, grassroots are NOT going to get you where you want to be...unless you are satisfied to remain in your niche forever. The idea that if you build it, they will come, is incredibly naive. You /have/ built it. You /are/ building it. Still, Smalltalk is not gaining a lot of converts. Why? Because you haven't told them a good story. You haven't persuaded them that Smalltalk has a future, after it has fizzled over the past 20 years. This is a tough perception to overcome. The SRP is your opportunity to tell your story. I believe you have the power to persuade. This was the whole idea behind my campaign. Fifth, if you don't believe in my campaign, or in what I'm doing, then why, oh, why am I wasting my time and energy?? If the issue is *me*, my undesirable persona, then perhaps I should step down and let someone else take over. I'm sure one of you can put in the same amount of time and energy that I have (6-8 hours a day, every day for the past several weeks, with many more weeks to come). I'm sure one of you has a better plan, a better strategy. I am not looking for recognition. I am not looking for gratitude (although a wee bit would be appreciated). I am not doing this because I'm an egotistical maniac. I'm doing it because I believe in Smalltalk. I'm doing it out of the kindness and goodness of my heart. But if you think so little of me, then tell me to F--- off. /Because, seriously, I don't need this./ -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Blitzkrieg-tp4800165p4800506.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 19, 2015

Glorp on Pharo 4

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi Craig, I've Glorp working with Pharo 4 and NBSQlite3 now without any problem. That's why it is now also in the config browser. As you see from the repo I restructured a bit the "Glorp" package to dig deeper into it and hopefully find the time updating the port once I have access to the VW code. Will update the config in the next available time slot. According to Alan Glorp is now relicensed to MIT thanks to Nial Ross and it would make sense to bring the Pharo port up to date. Thanks T.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by bsselfridge＠gmail.com

Steph, I completely agree. This type of hyperbole makes the casual observer think that the Smalltalk community can come off as petty. We're better than this. We should ALL have the goal of promoting Smalltalk. I know that a lot of you have and I applaud all of you for your efforts. The more the merrier. I personally welcome any and all exposure to the benefits of Smalltalk, if it's positive. I may not agree with everything that is promoted, but as long as it has the potential of converting people into looking at Smalltalk, regardless of the version, then I'm OK with that. So, I plead with everyone, both creators and critics, keep it civil, positive, and centered on the goal of promoting Smalltalk. (We can't eat our own and expect to survive). Brad Selfridge ----- Brad Selfridge -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Blitzkrieg-tp4800165p4800498.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by stepharo

One step at a time. Your videos are good! keep pushing. We learned slowly the system too.... Stef Le 19/1/15 19:16, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > I am very happy with Pharo and of course I love it. > > I love Pharo because it is very good, and its very good because people > have worked hard to improve it. New libraries, new bug fixes, new > tools , even pharo is small its actually quite hard to follow its > evolution because it surprisingly active. Another positive factor is > that the community is really open to contributions and new ideas, it > may sound like implied for an open source project but is not always > the case. > > I feel sad at time because my lack of knowledge holds me back from > contributing more, learning is hard because there is not tons of > documentation like other languages so there a lot that one have to > figure out by himself. But I dont mind the hard work , its fun. > > I have figured out sockets, regex, Spec and even played with the Dark > theme this past year. Now I try to figure out petitparser and how to > parse python types to pharo objects. > > I want to help newcomers to love pharo with updated documentation and > new tools to simplify workflow. I contributed to the new Pharo By > example by porting 5 chapters to Pharo 3 and also created almost 4 > hours of Pharo video tutorials. I move slowly but I am moving :) > > My goal for 2015 is also to start documenting Morphic. > > Pharo is my fun hour ;) > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:03 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> <phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>> wrote: > > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of > individuals dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say > "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding > it and making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the > community pretty much indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, > flexible, nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a > great piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. > But then there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made > to work". And it is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by stepharo

Thanks Phil for these great words. I can tell you that sometimes we are overwhelmed by the size of our tasks and the fact that if people would put all the energy together we would obtain something magic and great. Now when you want to on top of a large mountain looking at the pick does not help to get courage what is better is to look at your feet and one by one follow the path. This is what I'm doing one little task at a time but everyday. Stef PS: I can tell you stories if you pay me a beer at Pharo Days :) Le 19/1/15 19:03, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of > individuals dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say > "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it > and making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community > pretty much indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, > flexible, nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a > great piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But > then there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to > work". And it is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by Tudor Girba

Thanks for these words, Phil. Doru On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:03 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals > dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and > making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much > indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, > nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great > piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then > there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it > is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [ Article ] LampSort Revisited, Visualised

by Alain Rastoul

Le 18/01/2015 22:25, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : Immersion in a living system, that's one thing you definitely want to stick with. And the visualization is really cool Thank you Sven :) > Yes, this is a cool article! > > Alexandre > > >> On Jan 18, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Sven, >> >> This is really a nice piece that shows several things: >> - how object logging eases debugging >> - how easy it is to visualize otherwise shapeless objects >> - how embedding visualization in the development process improves productivity dramatically >> >> Thanks! >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I wrote another article >> >> LampSort Revisited, Visualised >> Combining Object Logging & Agile Visualisation >> https://medium.com/concerning-pharo/lampsort-revisited-visualised-6652055ef… >> >> It is an introduction and tutorial on object logging using a simple, concrete example, combining that technique with agile visualisation and advanced tools, to get amazing insight into code, easily. >> >> It cumulates in a full, animated visualisation as shown in the following screencast movie >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrsm6E7iA9w >> >> Thanks to Pierre Chanson, Doru Girba and Alex Bregel for helping me and for their, their teams and the whole Pharo community's work making all this possible. >> >> Sven >> >> PS: >> >> This article is part of the 'Concerning Pharo' collection on medium.com [ https://medium.com/concerning-pharo ], which I maintain. It contains all my medium.com articles that are 'about software development using a pure dynamic object oriented language in an immersive live environment focused on simplicity and feedback'. >> >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> Proudly supporting Pharo >> http://pharo.org >> http://association.pharo.org >> http://consortium.pharo.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > -- Regards, Alain

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by stepharo

Le 19/1/15 14:14, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 13:16, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is a fine line to tread. I have several problems with self-censorship: >> >> First of all, "Generalissimo" is just a handle. My previous handle, >> "horrido", was surely objectionable as well, since it's a play on the battle >> cry associated with the WWII German Luftwaffe ( Horrido: Fighter Aces of the >> Luftwaffe >> <http://www.amazon.ca/Horrido-Luftwaffe-Raymond-F-Toliver/dp/0553126636> ). >> >> I admit to being a WWII buff. I have been for many years. Should I apologize >> for this? > As a german living in France I feel insulted. you should not marcus. German strategy was much smarter than french arrogance with the idiot maginot line :) (I know I'm french) Now this has nothing to do with this mailing-list. So we should stop this thread for real now. > > Marcus >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

RTOSM was not yet in the latest successful build of Moose 5.1 Just for the record, I got it by loading ConfigurationOfRoassal2 1.9 > On 19 Jan 2015, at 15:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > It should yes > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > Alexandre > > >> On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Tudor Girba

Great. Doru On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, I agree. This is on our todo. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > I strongly believe that the concrete implementation that links Roassal > to the data format should be moved to a separate package and ideally, to > another configuration. > > > > The generic engine should be decoupled from concrete data sources. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > It should yes > > > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > > > Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 19, 2015