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Re: [Pharo-users] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Ben Coman

Thats is. Here is the subscribe page. http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Alain Rastoul <alf.mmm.cat(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 20/01/2015 00:08, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > >> -1 to pharo-vm. No need to dilute vm-dev. >> > vm-dev ? > Of course, if it already exists please don't dilute! :) > And now that you said that, I reminds me may be there was a name like > that in a recent post and I found squeak.vmdevel on gmane. > > -- > Regards, > > Alain > > >

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Compiling pillar documents in Windows

by phil＠highoctane.be

I am doing my pillar work in CentOS Linux and Ubuntu 14. Now, I think you can get it working in Windows but the main issue will be generating PDF files as the system uses pdflatex and I don't know how to do that in Windows. HTH, Phil On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:17 PM, nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is it possible to compile pillar documents under windows? > I have no problem in doing that in my OSX machine, but I need it to do it > in > Windows and can't figure it out. Guess support is only for *NIX os? > thanks in advance > Nacho > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Compiling-pillar-documents-in-Windows-tp4800644.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] CommandLine handler and UTF8 path

by Hilaire

Responding to myself for archiving purpose. I forgot again Pharo internal string are not utf-8 but ByteString, so the string need to be converted back to utf8. For example in one of the handler method, it can be modified as follow: DrGeoCommandLineHandler>>loadSketch: aString | utfString | utfString := aString convertFromWithConverter: UTF8TextConverter new. self checkForFile: utfString. DrGeo fileFullscreen: utfString Et voilÃ . Hilaire Le 20/01/2015 15:20, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > But once in Pharo, the string representing the path to the file is > wrongly interpreted, I have this error from Pharo: > > Error: /home/hilaire/Axe-SymÃÂ©trie/axes de symÃÂ©trie.fgeo does not exist! > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: OpenStreetMap integration

by Alexandre Bergel

Easy, simply download the last version of Roassal. Cheers, Alexandre > On Jan 19, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Looks fantastic. But from can I install it? Did I overlook some detail? > > thanks,, > > Norbert > >> Am 19.01.2015 um 15:19 schrieb Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: >> >> Dear All, >> >> This week end I have integrated the excellent work of Onil Goubier and Thierry Goubier. They have worked on a bridge between OpenStreetMap and Roassal. As a result, you can easily decorate a map with element describing metrics and properties of geolocation. Consider the following: >> >> I think the following screenshot should be self-explanatory: >> >> <osmParis.png> >> >> Below are some results of 10lines-long scripts. Seisms during the last 30 days: >> <osmSeisms.png> >> >> Refugies monitored by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees: >> <osmRefugies.png> >> >> We started to write a chapter for Agile Visualization. Here it is: >> >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/OpenStreetM… >> >> Again, thanks Onil and Thierry. This is a very valuable contribution for the whole community! >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> NB: Sorry for the cross-post, but I believe the content of this email goes well beyond to the Moose people interest. >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Ben Coman

Hi Richard, There has been a request to stop this thread, which I agree with is not productive, but you obviously put a lot of consideration into your last post, so I will do you the curtesy of a reply - but this will be my last comment on this thread. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 5:04 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There is much to respond to here. First of all, I was NOT putting down > ESUG or Smalltalk Foundation. That may not have been your intent - but that is the nature of such comparisons. > I was simply pointing out that, despite their > promotional efforts, Smalltalk has slipped out of the public consciousness, > as evidenced by language rankings and coverage in the IT press, as well > as the fact that Smalltalk does not compete well against the likes of Java > for enterprise adoption. Have I made any inaccurate observations here? > Indeed there is a great deal of industry inertia to overcome. However accuracy or otherwise was not in question. It was the tone. > > Second, I am NOT trying to over-promote myself or even promote myself > at all. but later you say "if Smalltalk manages to get back onto the TIOBE language index in the next month or two, you can be pretty sure it's because of my efforts." This is not the same as just reporting what you've achieved. > The only reason why I state my accomplishments is to *defend* > myself against criticism. That is natural, but is an argument like "the means justifies the ends". Now when you are new to a community, *defending* yourself can be a trap. To quote ESR from that link I provided earlier... "Remember: When that hacker tells you that you've screwed up, and (no matter how gruffly) tells you not to do it again, he's acting out of concern for (1) you and (2) his community. It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. If you can't manage to be grateful, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you're a newcomer with a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of entitlement." Indeed, writing this is not fun. It takes time to find the right words and I'd rather be coding. However you do have great enthusiasm that would unfortunate to lose, if it can be tempered in this mail list to community norms. Keep the hyperbole for your articles. > I don't want the SRP to be about me. I have repeatedly stated that the SRP > is about *you*, the Smalltalk community. Without your support and contributions, I do not have a campaign. Period. > > But people can't be pushed. The the onus is on you needs to observe the community and understand what motivates its members. Build a reputation in areas important to THEM (as best you can determine from observation, not "just" asking) and then you are in a better position to get the answers you want. > To the extent that I am challenged in galvanizing the Smalltalk community, > I have to visibly lead the charge. I know that everyone is pretty busy, so > it > is understandable that trying to get you to contribute is rather like > pulling teeth. I accept that; it is part of my job. It is thus inevitable > that my persona has to enter the picture. And this is apparently a point of > friction. > Yes, you've chosen a tough job. But if you want to get what you need, it is as much marketing yourself to the community as it is marketing Smalltalk to the outside world. Now note that marketing is not the same as selling or promoting yourself - its about understanding the market/community how you align with and appeal to their purpose. > > Third, it seems funny that I have to give you a "state of the union" report > on the campaign. If you were paying attention at all, if you gave a damn, > you would have all the information. But nevertheless, here goes... > > Through a web of social media, through my publications, through the > mention of Smalltalk Renaissance in InfoWorld, word of Smalltalk is once > again rippling out to the rest of the cybersphere. You can see this on my > Twitter feed, where I am continually gaining followers, where my tweets are > being retweeted and favourited. Who knows how far these tweets are > propagating! It's hard to tell, but I'm guessing that *Smalltalk is on the > minds of a lot more people today than it was a month ago.* > > Ditto for Facebook and Google+ where I'm also continually gaining > followers and likes. I'm even gaining followers on WordPress, something > that I did not expect. > > Moreover, exposure at Medium should not be underestimated. It gets a lot > of eyeballs. The current tally of "The Smalltalk Revolution" is 14K views > and 7.6K reads, with 16 recommendations. This is by far the most popular > article I have ever written in my entire life! And I've written a lot of > sh*t. > > Getting a mention in InfoWorld is a big deal. Congrats to James Ladd and > Redline. You have no idea how hard it is to get the IT press to cover > Smalltalk. I'm thankful for small victories. > > I have no idea what the impact of all this is, but if Smalltalk manages to > get back onto the TIOBE language index in the next month or two, you can be > pretty sure it's because of my efforts. > > Fourth, I am perfectly aware of all the Smalltalk material that have been > published online over the years. It is truly voluminous and impressive. It > is all part of a "grassroots" effort to promote Smalltalk, and this should > not be dismissed. > > However, grassroots are NOT going to get you where you want to > be...unless you are satisfied to remain in your niche forever. The idea > that if you build it, they will come, is incredibly naive. You /have/ built > it. You > /are/ building it. Still, Smalltalk is not gaining a lot of converts. Why? > There is a lot of industry inertia to overcome. Now actually, I like the idea of Pharo being a secret weapon, as described in Paul Graham's "Beating the Averages" (http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html) > Because you haven't told them a good story. You haven't persuaded them > that Smalltalk has a future, after it has fizzled over the past 20 years. > This is a tough perception to overcome. > The SRP is your opportunity to tell your story. I believe you have the > power > to persuade. This was the whole idea behind my campaign. > > Fifth, if you don't believe in my campaign, or in what I'm doing, then why, > oh, why am I wasting my time and energy?? Because you believe in it regardless of any criticism. However I think the main issue is not your campaign, but the "way" you report and promote it here. > If the issue is *me*, my undesirable persona, then perhaps I should step > down and let someone else take over. I'm sure one of you can put in the > same amount of time and energy that I have (6-8 hours a day, every day for > the past several weeks, with many more weeks to come). Probably no one would. Most people here are busy coding. Hence the value you present. Perhaps your persona is the right thing required for the role you've chosen - but yes, there are some rough edges causing friction that need to be sorted out if everyone is going to work together. > I'm sure one of you has a better plan, a better strategy. > > I am not looking for recognition. I am not looking for gratitude (although > a > wee bit would be appreciated). I am not doing this because I'm an > egotistical maniac. I'm doing it because I believe in Smalltalk. I'm doing > it out of the kindness and goodness of my heart. > > But if you think so little of me, then tell me to F--- off. /Because, > seriously, I don't need this./ > > Personally I appreciate your efforts and enthusiasm - but in essence I think the community is more "under promise and over deliver" than your writing style. Maybe that is not so great for "getting the message out" , but it is what it is. Yours faithfully, -ben

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable names

by Davide Varvello

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Like I said, very strange. > > If you can (if there is no sensitive information in included), you can > make the image+changes available somewhere and I can have a look. You can > mail me privately. > > Else I hope you can recover your work. Thanks Sven, you are very supportive, but I can start from my previous version, hopefully I have almost on source control Davide -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improper-store-into-indexable-object-and-weird-variab… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Best approach to multiple text colors in Spec

by ErikStayton

Thanks for pointing me to that, I will check it out! Erik On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Alexander Svyazin [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4800570h51(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > There is a working example of text coloring in my toy MUD client > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~AlexanderSvyazin/MudTalk. It actually has > support of ANSI escape sequences (only colors yet) :) For now it uses plain > Morph, not Spec, AFAIR Spec text model was not flexible enough for my needs > and it was too hard to extend for me (but I don't remember the details). > > This client should work in last release version of Pharo and last > development version too (I use development version), just load > ConfigurationOfMudTalk and run 'ConfigurationOfMudTalk loadDevelopment'. It > is slightly structured pile of code but it's a toy and educational project > so I'm trying to use *everything* that I see. > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:51 AM, ErikStayton <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4800570&i=0>> wrote: > >> Hi Stef, I don't have a good minimal example to hand, but my UI is just a >> simple Spec model with two widgets, the aforementioned TextModel and a >> TextInputFieldModel that I use to actually take user commands. >> >> I am not wedded to Spec, if it doesn't handle colors well. If it is a >> long-shot to get it working I will pick something else. Would it be better >> to go for a straight Morph setup? Is that what the system browser uses to >> get its syntax highlighting/colors? >> >> I can put together a minimal example so people can play with Spec and see >> if >> it works, but if I'm better off dropping Spec I can jump straight to that. >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks again, >> Erik >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Best-approach-to-multiple-text-colors-in-Spec-tp48002… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Best-approach-to-multiple-text-colors-in-Spec-tp48002… > To unsubscribe from Best approach to multiple text colors in Spec, click > here > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Best-approach-to-multiple-text-colors-in-Spec-tp48002… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 20, 2015

CommandLine handler and UTF8 path

by Hilaire

Hi, I have discovered a problem with my DrGeo command line handler. Its purpose, under linux only for now, is to let the user open a DrGeo sketch file from the desktop file manager by double-clicking on the file. Sadly, it seems it does not work when non ascii characters are present in the path or the filename. The command line handler parameters are correctly set form the bash script, I got this output: drgeo --sketch=/home/hilaire/Axe-SymÃ©trie/axes de symÃ©trie.fgeo But once in Pharo, the string representing the path to the file is wrongly interpreted, I have this error from Pharo: Error: /home/hilaire/Axe-SymÃÂ©trie/axes de symÃÂ©trie.fgeo does not exist! >From the DrGeo.sh startup script, Pharo is fired with this instruction: exec "$VM/pharo" \ --plugins "$VM" \ --encoding utf-8 \ -vm-display-X11 \ -title "Dr.Geo" \ $image \ $DRGEO_OPT"$filename" Opening this same file directly form DrGeo works correctly. Any idea? Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Jan. 20, 2015

Compiling pillar documents in Windows

by nacho

Is it possible to compile pillar documents under windows? I have no problem in doing that in my OSX machine, but I need it to do it in Windows and can't figure it out. Guess support is only for *NIX os? thanks in advance Nacho ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Compiling-pillar-documents-in-Windows-tp4800644.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable names

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Like I said, very strange. If you can (if there is no sensitive information in included), you can make the image+changes available somewhere and I can have a look. You can mail me privately. Else I hope you can recover your work. > On 20 Jan 2015, at 14:27, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > Date: 20 Jan 2015 14:23:51 CET > From: Davide Varvello <varvello(a)yahoo.com> > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable names > > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 10:00, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users < > >> pharo-users@.pharo > >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Date: 20 Jan 2015 09:56:45 CET >>> From: Davide Varvello < > >> varvello@ > >> > >>> To: > >> pharo-users@.pharo > >>> Subject: Re: "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable >>> names >>> >>> >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>>>> On 19 Jan 2015, at 22:46, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users < >>> >>>> pharo-users@.pharo >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: 19 Jan 2015 22:43:13 CET >>>>> From: Davide Varvello < >>> >>>> varvello@ >>> >>>> > >>>>> To: >>> >>>> pharo-users@.pharo >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable >>>>> names >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> H Sven, >>>>> I didn't move nor rename any of them. In fact some methods have t1, t2, >>>>> t3, >>>>> ... but some others have real variable names. >>>> >>>> That is weird. Any details on which work and which do not ? System code >>>> or >>>> your code ? >>> >>> Both, my code and system code. Looking at changes it seems it lost all >>> code >>> before 7:01:06 pm CET of yesterday (see http://imgur.com/V8eis9Z) I can >>> try >>> to restore from my backup, but I'm wondering what happened. >> >> It has been years that I developed in 2.0, but I very vaguely remember >> having seen something similar. Going back and recovering from backup seems >> the only choice. >> >> I find it hard to believe that, say some Collection methods are OK, and >> some say String methods are decompiled, and some of your own code is OK >> and some is not - totally arbitrary ? Is it even constant ? > > It's weird. Look at here: http://i.imgur.com/p5kbECh.png > > Davide > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improper-store-into-indexable-object-and-weird-variab… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >

Jan. 20, 2015