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Re: [Pharo-users] Conditional CSV parsing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 23 Jan 2015, at 20:53, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Sven, > > 2015-01-23 16:06 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > Hi HernÃ¡n, > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 19:50, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I used to use a CSV parser from Squeak where I could attach conditional iterations: > > > > csvParser rowsSkipFirst: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring first 2 fields on each row " ]. > > csvParser rowsSkipLast: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring last 2 fields on each row " ]. > > With NeoCSVParser you can describe how each field is read and converted, using the same mechanism you can ignore fields. Have a look at the senders of #addIgnoredField from the unit tests. > > > I am trying to understand the implementation, I see you included #addIgnoredFields: for consecutive fields in Neo-CSV-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.21 > A question about usage then, adding ignored field(s) requires adding field types on all other remaining fields? Yes, like this: testReadWithIgnoredField | input | input := (String crlf join: #( '1,2,a,3' '1,2,b,3' '1,2,c,3' '')). self assert: ((NeoCSVReader on: input readStream) addIntegerField; addIntegerField; addIgnoredField; addIntegerField; upToEnd) equals: { #(1 2 3). #(1 2 3). #(1 2 3).} > > csvParser rowsWhere: [ " a condition block " ] do: [ : row | " ... " ]. > > NeoCSVParser behaves a bit like a stream and a bit like a collection, there are #next, #atEnd and #upToEnd as well as #do: and #select: > > > I was using the version from the Configuration and missed the #select:[thenDo:] update. Yes, please use #bleedingEdge, I have to update #stable. > > csvParser rowsUpTo: 500000 do: [ " some action for rows up to 500000 " ]. > > csvParser rowsFrom: 2000 to: 5000 do: [ " some action for rows between 2000 to 5000 " ]. > > Those are not there, you will have to count yourself. #next can be used to #skip. > > > Ok > > > I want to replace the parser with NeoCSVReader, is this easily possible with the current implementation? > > Should work, let me know if you have any problems. > > > Thank you Sven! > > Cheers,

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Conditional CSV parsing

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Sven, 2015-01-23 16:06 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > Hi HernÃ¡n, > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 19:50, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I used to use a CSV parser from Squeak where I could attach conditional > iterations: > > > > csvParser rowsSkipFirst: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring first 2 > fields on each row " ]. > > csvParser rowsSkipLast: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring last 2 > fields on each row " ]. > > With NeoCSVParser you can describe how each field is read and converted, > using the same mechanism you can ignore fields. Have a look at the senders > of #addIgnoredField from the unit tests. > > I am trying to understand the implementation, I see you included #addIgnoredFields: for consecutive fields in Neo-CSV-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.21 A question about usage then, adding ignored field(s) requires adding field types on all other remaining fields? > > csvParser rowsWhere: [ " a condition block " ] do: [ : row | " ... " ]. > > NeoCSVParser behaves a bit like a stream and a bit like a collection, > there are #next, #atEnd and #upToEnd as well as #do: and #select: > > I was using the version from the Configuration and missed the #select:[thenDo:] update. > > csvParser rowsUpTo: 500000 do: [ " some action for rows up to 500000 " ]. > > csvParser rowsFrom: 2000 to: 5000 do: [ " some action for rows between > 2000 to 5000 " ]. > > Those are not there, you will have to count yourself. #next can be used to > #skip. > > Ok > > I want to replace the parser with NeoCSVReader, is this easily possible > with the current implementation? > > Should work, let me know if you have any problems. > > Thank you Sven! Cheers, >

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Sebastian Sastre

Yes! all that :D The Mapless on Postgres card is getting dusty: https://trello.com/c/KelkWrdk/52-mapless-on-postgres <https://trello.com/c/KelkWrdk/52-mapless-on-postgres> We should pair on that Esteban! Also anyone else interested to pair on it is welcome. Mongo is okay but Postgres JSON got pretty awesome after last release sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> o/ github: https://github.com/sebastianconcept <https://github.com/sebastianconcept> > On Jan 23, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I didn't build Flow, nor use it on GemStone. But to clarify concepts > Flow is a full web stack which *uses* Mapless for its persistence. > > Mapless is a NoSQL framework using MongoDB by default, but AFAIK there > is a Mapless implementation using GemStone/S, which is no surprise > given the fact that most NoSQL are key-value storage, way less than > what a persistent Dictionary can provide. :) > > I'm looking forward to bring Mapless to PostgreSQL, considering PG 9.4 > have native JSONB storage. > > Regards! > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2015-01-23 15:04 GMT-03:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi Esteban, >> >> I see GemStone logo in Flor poster. Could you explain? Does Flow support >> GemStone persistency besides NoSQL backends (as I thought Flow used). Do you >> have a common API for them or how do you manage that? >> >> Best, >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 23 Jan 2015, at 18:33, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >>>> <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, some data visualization and moldable tools on weddings and >>>> birthdays would make a memorable party ;-) >>> >>> Haha, indeed ! >>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> >>>> El 23/01/15 a las 12:15, Ben Coman escribiÃ³: >>>>> Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just >>>>> can't >>>>> stop the mind working. >>>>> >>>>> Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire >>>>> out for >>>>> weddings and birthdays ;) >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >>>>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Some feedback on design I hope is useful. >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is >>>>> not a >>>>> design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal >>>>> is to >>>>> advertise what we have. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: >>>>> >>>>> http://gt.moosetechnology.org >>>>> >>>>> the two movies are hard to beat, right ? >>>>> >>>>> Luckily they are on our side ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Sven >>>>> >>>>>> * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and >>>>> "zen". I >>>>> never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. >>>>> Maybe you >>>>> could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" >>>>>> >>>>>> * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking >>>>> image >>>>> for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or >>>>> >>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j…) >>>>>> >>>>>> * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative >>>>> and >>>>> confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually >>>>> do that >>>>> in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something >>>>> like... >>>>> "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" >>>>> or just... >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I >>>>> presumed to >>>>> wordsmith your text... >>>>>> Flow's mission provides consultants, >>>>>> startups and software houses >>>>>> with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk >>>>>> framework for quick demo delivery with >>>>>> all the modern html5 features the >>>>>> market expects today (2014). >>>>>> Use tactically for gaining momentum >>>>>> with prospects and clients, then >>>>>> scale to full projects successfully >>>>>> delivered by kickass >>>>>> productive teams or individuals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the >>>>> bottom of >>>>> the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width >>>>> rectangle. >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and >>>>> what is the >>>>> "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack >>>>> the three >>>>> logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the >>>>> "there" in >>>>> "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" >>>>> through the >>>>> whitespace left by moving the logos. >>>>>> >>>>>> (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should >>>>> resurrect my >>>>> masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe >>>>> <sven(a)stfx.eu >>>>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo >>>>> <emaringolo(a)gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, what are those? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand. :-/ >>>>>> >>>>>> These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, >>>>> afterwards >>>>> they will become available online too. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can make some if you like... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >>>>> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >>>>>>>> One on Voyage :) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I didn't build Flow, nor use it on GemStone. But to clarify concepts Flow is a full web stack which *uses* Mapless for its persistence. Mapless is a NoSQL framework using MongoDB by default, but AFAIK there is a Mapless implementation using GemStone/S, which is no surprise given the fact that most NoSQL are key-value storage, way less than what a persistent Dictionary can provide. :) I'm looking forward to bring Mapless to PostgreSQL, considering PG 9.4 have native JSONB storage. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2015-01-23 15:04 GMT-03:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Esteban, > > I see GemStone logo in Flor poster. Could you explain? Does Flow support > GemStone persistency besides NoSQL backends (as I thought Flow used). Do you > have a common API for them or how do you manage that? > > Best, > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >> > On 23 Jan 2015, at 18:33, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >> > <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> > >> > Yep, some data visualization and moldable tools on weddings and >> > birthdays would make a memorable party ;-) >> >> Haha, indeed ! >> >> > Offray >> > >> > >> > El 23/01/15 a las 12:15, Ben Coman escribiÃ³: >> >> Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just >> >> can't >> >> stop the mind working. >> >> >> >> Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire >> >> out for >> >> weddings and birthdays ;) >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >> >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Some feedback on design I hope is useful. >> >> >> >> Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is >> >> not a >> >> design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal >> >> is to >> >> advertise what we have. >> >> >> >> BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: >> >> >> >> http://gt.moosetechnology.org >> >> >> >> the two movies are hard to beat, right ? >> >> >> >> Luckily they are on our side ;-) >> >> >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> > * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and >> >> "zen". I >> >> never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. >> >> Maybe you >> >> could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" >> >> > >> >> > * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking >> >> image >> >> for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or >> >> >> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j…) >> >> > >> >> > * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative >> >> and >> >> confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually >> >> do that >> >> in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something >> >> like... >> >> "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" >> >> or just... >> >> > >> >> > Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I >> >> presumed to >> >> wordsmith your text... >> >> > Flow's mission provides consultants, >> >> > startups and software houses >> >> > with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk >> >> > framework for quick demo delivery with >> >> > all the modern html5 features the >> >> > market expects today (2014). >> >> > Use tactically for gaining momentum >> >> > with prospects and clients, then >> >> > scale to full projects successfully >> >> > delivered by kickass >> >> > productive teams or individuals. >> >> > >> >> > Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the >> >> bottom of >> >> the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width >> >> rectangle. >> >> > >> >> > You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and >> >> what is the >> >> "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack >> >> the three >> >> logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the >> >> "there" in >> >> "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. >> >> > >> >> > Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" >> >> through the >> >> whitespace left by moving the logos. >> >> > >> >> > (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) >> >> > >> >> > HTH >> >> > cheers -ben >> >> > >> >> > P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should >> >> resurrect my >> >> masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe >> >> <sven(a)stfx.eu >> >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> <emaringolo(a)gmail.com >> >> <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Sorry, what are those? >> >> > > >> >> > > I don't understand. :-/ >> >> > >> >> > These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, >> >> afterwards >> >> they will become available online too. >> >> > >> >> > You can make some if you like... >> >> > >> >> > > Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >> >> > >> One on Voyage :) >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Conditional CSV parsing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi HernÃ¡n, > On 23 Jan 2015, at 19:50, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I used to use a CSV parser from Squeak where I could attach conditional iterations: > > csvParser rowsSkipFirst: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring first 2 fields on each row " ]. > csvParser rowsSkipLast: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring last 2 fields on each row " ]. With NeoCSVParser you can describe how each field is read and converted, using the same mechanism you can ignore fields. Have a look at the senders of #addIgnoredField from the unit tests. > csvParser rowsWhere: [ " a condition block " ] do: [ : row | " ... " ]. NeoCSVParser behaves a bit like a stream and a bit like a collection, there are #next, #atEnd and #upToEnd as well as #do: and #select: > csvParser rowsUpTo: 500000 do: [ " some action for rows up to 500000 " ]. > csvParser rowsFrom: 2000 to: 5000 do: [ " some action for rows between 2000 to 5000 " ]. Those are not there, you will have to count yourself. #next can be used to #skip. > I want to replace the parser with NeoCSVReader, is this easily possible with the current implementation? Should work, let me know if you have any problems. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n Sven

Jan. 23, 2015

Conditional CSV parsing

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

I used to use a CSV parser from Squeak where I could attach conditional iterations: csvParser rowsSkipFirst: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring first 2 fields on each row " ]. csvParser rowsSkipLast: 2 do: [: row | " some action ignoring last 2 fields on each row " ]. csvParser rowsWhere: [ " a condition block " ] do: [ : row | " ... " ]. csvParser rowsUpTo: 500000 do: [ " some action for rows up to 500000 " ]. csvParser rowsFrom: 2000 to: 5000 do: [ " some action for rows between 2000 to 5000 " ]. I want to replace the parser with NeoCSVReader, is this easily possible with the current implementation? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Esteban, I see GemStone logo in Flor poster. Could you explain? Does Flow support GemStone persistency besides NoSQL backends (as I thought Flow used). Do you have a common API for them or how do you manage that? Best, On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 18:33, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < > offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > Yep, some data visualization and moldable tools on weddings and > birthdays would make a memorable party ;-) > > Haha, indeed ! > > > Offray > > > > > > El 23/01/15 a las 12:15, Ben Coman escribiÃ³: > >> Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just > can't > >> stop the mind working. > >> > >> Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire > out for > >> weddings and birthdays ;) > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Some feedback on design I hope is useful. > >> > >> Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is > not a > >> design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal > is to > >> advertise what we have. > >> > >> BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: > >> > >> http://gt.moosetechnology.org > >> > >> the two movies are hard to beat, right ? > >> > >> Luckily they are on our side ;-) > >> > >> Sven > >> > >> > * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and > "zen". I > >> never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. > Maybe you > >> could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" > >> > > >> > * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking > image > >> for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or > >> ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j… > ) > >> > > >> > * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative > and > >> confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually > do that > >> in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something > like... > >> "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" > or just... > >> > > >> > Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I > presumed to > >> wordsmith your text... > >> > Flow's mission provides consultants, > >> > startups and software houses > >> > with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk > >> > framework for quick demo delivery with > >> > all the modern html5 features the > >> > market expects today (2014). > >> > Use tactically for gaining momentum > >> > with prospects and clients, then > >> > scale to full projects successfully > >> > delivered by kickass > >> > productive teams or individuals. > >> > > >> > Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the > bottom of > >> the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width > rectangle. > >> > > >> > You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and > what is the > >> "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack > the three > >> logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the > "there" in > >> "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. > >> > > >> > Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" > through the > >> whitespace left by moving the logos. > >> > > >> > (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) > >> > > >> > HTH > >> > cheers -ben > >> > > >> > P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should > resurrect my > >> masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe < > sven(a)stfx.eu > >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo(a)gmail.com > >> <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Sorry, what are those? > >> > > > >> > > I don't understand. :-/ > >> > > >> > These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, > afterwards > >> they will become available online too. > >> > > >> > You can make some if you like... > >> > > >> > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > >> > >> One on Voyage :) > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Yep, some data visualization and moldable tools on weddings and birthdays would make a memorable party ;-) Offray El 23/01/15 a las 12:15, Ben Coman escribiÃ³: > Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just can't > stop the mind working. > > Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire out for > weddings and birthdays ;) > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > > > Some feedback on design I hope is useful. > > Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is not a > design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal is to > advertise what we have. > > BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: > > http://gt.moosetechnology.org > > the two movies are hard to beat, right ? > > Luckily they are on our side ;-) > > Sven > > > * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and "zen". I > never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. Maybe you > could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" > > > > * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking image > for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j…) > > > > * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative and > confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually do that > in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something like... > "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" or just... > > > > Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I presumed to > wordsmith your text... > > Flow's mission provides consultants, > > startups and software houses > > with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk > > framework for quick demo delivery with > > all the modern html5 features the > > market expects today (2014). > > Use tactically for gaining momentum > > with prospects and clients, then > > scale to full projects successfully > > delivered by kickass > > productive teams or individuals. > > > > Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the bottom of > the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width rectangle. > > > > You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and what is the > "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack the three > logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the "there" in > "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. > > > > Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" through the > whitespace left by moving the logos. > > > > (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) > > > > HTH > > cheers -ben > > > > P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should resurrect my > masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com > <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, what are those? > > > > > > I don't understand. :-/ > > > > These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, afterwards > they will become available online too. > > > > You can make some if you like... > > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > > > > > > > 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > > >> One on Voyage :) > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 23 Jan 2015, at 18:33, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Yep, some data visualization and moldable tools on weddings and birthdays would make a memorable party ;-) Haha, indeed ! > Offray > > > El 23/01/15 a las 12:15, Ben Coman escribiÃ³: >> Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just can't >> stop the mind working. >> >> Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire out for >> weddings and birthdays ;) >> >> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> >> > On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >> > >> > Some feedback on design I hope is useful. >> >> Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is not a >> design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal is to >> advertise what we have. >> >> BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: >> >> http://gt.moosetechnology.org >> >> the two movies are hard to beat, right ? >> >> Luckily they are on our side ;-) >> >> Sven >> >> > * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and "zen". I >> never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. Maybe you >> could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" >> > >> > * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking image >> for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j…) >> > >> > * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative and >> confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually do that >> in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something like... >> "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" or just... >> > >> > Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I presumed to >> wordsmith your text... >> > Flow's mission provides consultants, >> > startups and software houses >> > with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk >> > framework for quick demo delivery with >> > all the modern html5 features the >> > market expects today (2014). >> > Use tactically for gaining momentum >> > with prospects and clients, then >> > scale to full projects successfully >> > delivered by kickass >> > productive teams or individuals. >> > >> > Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the bottom of >> the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width rectangle. >> > >> > You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and what is the >> "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack the three >> logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the "there" in >> "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. >> > >> > Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" through the >> whitespace left by moving the logos. >> > >> > (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) >> > >> > HTH >> > cheers -ben >> > >> > P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should resurrect my >> masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> > >> > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Sorry, what are those? >> > > >> > > I don't understand. :-/ >> > >> > These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, afterwards >> they will become available online too. >> > >> > You can make some if you like... >> > >> > > Esteban A. Maringolo >> > > >> > > >> > > 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >> > >> One on Voyage :) >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Ben Coman

Thanks Sven. I wasn't clear on the context, and just sometimes I just can't stop the mind working. Agreed, those Moose movies were fantastic. I want to know if they hire out for weddings and birthdays ;) On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 16:41, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > > > Some feedback on design I hope is useful. > > Hi Ben, your feedback is useful, but I want to stress that this is not a > design contest: it is developers marketing to developers. The goal is to > advertise what we have. > > BTW, in terms of marketing, we already lost to these guys: > > http://gt.moosetechnology.org > > the two movies are hard to beat, right ? > > Luckily they are on our side ;-) > > Sven > > > * Citizen - I like the perpendicular layout of "cite" and "zen". I > never got it before that it was for citations. Nice branding. Maybe you > could put a mortar board hat on top of the big "C" > > > > * Bloc - while considering copyright, maybe use a Tetris looking image > for the background (http://tinyurl.com/ktpdvwg) or ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#mediaviewer/File:NES_Tetris_Box_Front.j… > ) > > > > * Flow - I find the text under the storm-trooper a bit negative and > confusing. I don't think you mean to imply that you can't actually do that > in Smalltalk, which is the impression I got. Maybe something like... > "Smalltalk _was_ the HTML5 single-page platform I was looking for!" or > just... > > > > Now the split of "consultants" over two lines grated, so I presumed to > wordsmith your text... > > Flow's mission provides consultants, > > startups and software houses > > with a competitive full-stack Smalltalk > > framework for quick demo delivery with > > all the modern html5 features the > > market expects today (2014). > > Use tactically for gaining momentum > > with prospects and clients, then > > scale to full projects successfully > > delivered by kickass > > productive teams or individuals. > > > > Try to get the bottom of the github link text to align with the bottom > of the stormtrooper image, so the whitespace beneath is a full width > rectangle. > > > > You don't necessarily need to say what is the "front end" and what is > the "back end". Deleting that text provides the opportunity to stack the > three logos vertically, centred over the bottom left Qcode. Drop the > "there" in "favourite there" so it doesn't overhang the Qcode. > > > > Move the dots of the eyes to be looking at the word "flow" through the > whitespace left by moving the logos. > > > > (Sorry to go to town Sebastian, but I saw more potential.) > > > > HTH > > cheers -ben > > > > P.S. Sorry I don't have any of my own. I really should resurrect my > masters project onto latest Pharo/Roassal. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > > On 23 Jan 2015, at 15:15, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, what are those? > > > > > > I don't understand. :-/ > > > > These are 'posters' for the Pharo Project Expo for next week, afterwards > they will become available online too. > > > > You can make some if you like... > > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > > > > > > > 2015-01-22 17:36 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > >> One on Voyage :) > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 23, 2015