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Re: [Pharo-users] recover lost changes

by Ben Coman

So is the plan to integrate Epicea for Pharo 4 Release as the default mechanism, and leave removal of the existing mechanism until Pharo 5? cheers -ben On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:36, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > > > Is Epicea able to run parallel with the exiting changes framework, do we > have to rip the latter out first? > > I works in parallel now. The idea is to remove the other mechanism in a > second step. > > Marcus > > >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Ben Coman

About the architecture of Spec, as I understand it, Spec is a layer on top of Morphic, written such that later Morphic could be swapped out from under it and something else sued in place of Morphic. Now could their possibly be some common widget-models sitting underneath Spec, Morpi, MVC or any other new system ? cheers -ben On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > They are not yet public but soon will be. > > > On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:09, Pablo R. Digonzelli <pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > where can i watch it? > > > > Pablo > > > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > > De: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu> > > Para: nicolaihess(a)web.de, "Any question about pharo is welcome" < > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42 > > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again > > > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > >> > >> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date. > > > > Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to > Spec, watch it. > > > > >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Marcus Denker

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > BTW, Johan, I cannot find your slides in http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/presentations ? > I have the .key files.. I will double check and upload the missingsâ¦ >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 13:45, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >> >>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 07:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date. >>> >>> Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec, watch it. >> >> >> Well, thank you very much for the recommendation :-). Are the videos of the talks online? I did not see an announcement for that, and Iâd like to see some of the talks I missed on Friday due to being stuck in the Douai snow ... >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

BTW, Johan, I cannot find your slides in http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/presentations ? > On 12 Feb 2015, at 13:45, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > >> On Feb 12, 2015, at 07:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >>> >>> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date. >> >> Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec, watch it. > > > Well, thank you very much for the recommendation :-). Are the videos of the talks online? I did not see an announcement for that, and Iâd like to see some of the talks I missed on Friday due to being stuck in the Douai snow ... > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] recover lost changes

by Marcus Denker

> On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:36, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > Is Epicea able to run parallel with the exiting changes framework, do we have to rip the latter out first? I works in parallel now. The idea is to remove the other mechanism in a second step. Marcus

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

They are not yet public but soon will be. > On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:09, Pablo R. Digonzelli <pdigonzelli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > where can i watch it? > > Pablo > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu> > Para: nicolaihess(a)web.de, "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42 > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >> >> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date. > > Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec, watch it. >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] recover lost changes

by Ben Coman

Is Epicea able to run parallel with the exiting changes framework, do we have to rip the latter out first? cheers -ben On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:38 PM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Can I get the link to this change set. > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > wrote: > >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> > The issue is here >> >> And the solution is right there in the comment! >> >> >> Pharo Issue Tracker wrote >> > ChangesLog default >> > is not registered for the SystemAnnouncer. >> > Reinitializing it should help: >> > ChangesLog reset;default. >> >> Works on both 3.0 and 4.0. I made a parent issue 14916 and an issue for >> 4.0 >> 14918 (13290 was about 3.0). >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/recover-lost-changes-tp4804929p4805160.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Sebastian Heidbrink

Hi Stephan, Hi All, Joachim and I come from the same, commercial world, and we are not used to initial problems regarding the UI we are used to huge limitations once your models become more and more complex and custom vizualisations are desired. On first sight the videos and examples are tempting and give a beginner the feeling that everythign is possible in Pharo/Squeak. Well it definitely is and I myself are also more the "do it your self" guy. But there are simple tasks that should not need a huge involvement to accomplish a visualization and manipulation of a model. I think there is most stuff out there in Pharo that is needed to built a nice UI with Model interaction. It took me jsut a few hours to built a nice Glamour based data model browser. So why do I struggle to built a login view?! I think this is because Glamour is its own example.... It is implemented in one way and there are few distractions. GTSpotter is already too difficult to understand again.... What Pharo needs and I do not think that this is a too huge task is. A clear destiction of M, V and C accomplished by ClassNamingConvertions and package sub-division of these. A browser that just lists all the available basic morphs and their examples A sushi store demo according to the current Pharo release. A clear documentation what, Spec, Polymorph, Morphic,... are representing and on which "layer" they are positioned. OS-Layer, Common-Layer, Layout-Layer, Event-Layer. Based on first steps experiance with Seaside I can still remember that the only reason why I was able to get started fast and even during the early days of Seaside were the two examples, Scriptacoulous demo site and the Sushi Store. With the help of those I even learnt some CSS and JS ... The jQuery example was already to much limited to the usage of jQuery and it was much more difficult to use the exampel site as an example to go on with an own project. How much time would it cost to implement a small sushi store with in image persitsancy? Also,.... a documentation on how to deplay this store and make a real Pharo app. I think such a demo would also show the community how huge a impact a new Pharo release does to a commercial product. A steady update from release to release would be useful as a pharo version migration guide. It could also start a discussion on how to do things and show each of us where things are unclear and under specified. We should take what we have and put an example together instead of thinking/discussing what kind of framework might be best or better. There are so many books an Smalltalk patterns, MVC,.... but there are actually no real official examples available Stephan! Thank you so much for starting this! I will have a look asap. Right now I am more focused on the local Software group. I would like to have some application "WITH UI" and even 3D where I can show off live programming! I admire the energy the community and the board puts into Pharo and I can only imagine how difficult it must be to find and lead into a certain direction. Thank you! So and now her eis the question that I think needs to be discussed since it is the most controversial answered to me. "Spec or not to Spec?" I am kidding! But my current counter is 5 for Spec and 5 against Spec. I think some rason could be that Spec is misunderstood, or still under development/inmature. I can't tell, but a beginner wants to know: "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO!?" Thanks for reading! Sebastian Am 12.02.2015 um 07:22 schrieb Stephan Eggermont: > Sebastian wrote: >> After 5 days I can tell ,that I am lost in Morphic, UIManager, Traits/No-Traits, Spec, GLMMorphic, Poly.... >> And sometimes things are even mixed up and I am not able to decide which approach to follow,... > If your goal is a "Maya Editor"-like UI, I've put together something that could be useful as > a starting point. I would be interested in how to encapsulate this in Spec, and in what should > change in Bloc. The idea is to grow it into a tutorial. > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~StephanEggermont/MorphicDraw > > Stephan > > > > > > >

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting notified when a morph moves

by Stephan Eggermont

Hilaire wrote: >Okay if I understand correctly, the two morphs you want to link with a >line are also morphs of yours? So you can mangle into them. I was >supposing the two morphs to link could be arbitrary ones, i.e. ones you >can't modify. I am trying to get a better understanding of Morphic by writing a small drawing editor suitable for a tutorial. current state: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~StephanEggermont/MorphicDraw/ Stephan

Feb. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again

by Pablo R. Digonzelli

where can i watch it? Pablo ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Sven Van Caekenberghe" <sven(a)stfx.eu> Para: nicolaihess(a)web.de, "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42 Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again > On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date. Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec, watch it.

Feb. 12, 2015