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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 - current state?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 16 Mar 2015, at 17:41, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: > > 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) Esteban > > 2. Control arrow key to move between words. > > I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, Â¿when it is planed, mid April? > > Cheers, > > Offray > > El 20/02/15 a las 13:46, kilon alios escribiÃ³: >> I made a video tutorial about it here >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNh6VtPy8m4&list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof85… >> >> Well Pharo 4 comes with GT tools a new inspector and a new workspace. I am also >> a huge fan of the new Dark Theme. >> >> Using Pharo makes you feel like Neo from The Matrix , you look at the screen , >> realise the power of live coding and you say "WOW" >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBRNqwDPrU >> >> Sure Pharo is far from perfect , it comes with its own kind of annoyances but I >> think its so beautifully unique its hard to resist. >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM, sergio_101 <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> okay, you've got me to switch.. anyway.. it's not that big deal to fire up >> pharo 3 with the same codebase.. >> >> i think i saw GTSpotter on a screencast somewhere.. i will go look for it.. >> >> when you mention the other nice things, where can i find them? where should >> i look? >> >> my day time development team (ruby and objective-c) is working on a side >> project during lunch presentations, and then on our own time. it will be a >> commercial product, and we're doing it in seaside.. .hopefully this will >> generate 6 new converts into the fold. it is kind of confusing for everyone >> at first.. but during our meetings, things get cleared up and people are >> getting a good handle on all of it... >> >> to the point that during regular work, i am starting to hear "i wish we >> (ruby ecosystem) had (insert ST goodness) here.." >> >> On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 12:07:03 PM kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I work with Pharo 4 and no longer use Pharo 3, its very stable I have >> not experienced any kind of problem with it except one with >> autocompletion when I was hacking Pharo themes for my Nirreas project. >> >> Definetly recommend it to you to switch just for GTSpotter alone and >> many other new nice things. >> >> There million ways to help, you can a) bug fix c) document d) make your >> own tools and share them with the rest of us e) introduce pharo to other >> people so we can grow as a community and the list goes on and on. >> >> I only spend a hour a day with Pharo but is my happiest hour :) >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM, sergio_101 <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hey, all. >> >> I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. >> >> in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss >> when going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. >> >> my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day >> environment? >> >> can i use it as a part of my regular development? >> >> what can i do to help move everything along? >> >> thanks! >> >> >> > >

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Next Pharo sprints

by Marcus Denker

\ > We also hope to plan more informal sprints every other Friday afternoon. > If you have students who are working on (or with) Pharo, it could be > interesting for them to be present (please tell them). > For the private sprints, I do not know how we want them: > - like public sprints but in a small group (bug hunt) > - dedicated to one or several projects of team members > I think this part was meant more for the people in lille. Marcus

March 16, 2015

Next Pharo sprints

by stepharo

Hello, Next public Pharo sprints are now planned: http://pharo.org/news/Pharo-Sprints The next sprint will be on Friday, 3rd April, at Inria Lille. We also hope to plan more informal sprints every other Friday afternoon. If you have students who are working on (or with) Pharo, it could be interesting for them to be present (please tell them). For the private sprints, I do not know how we want them: - like public sprints but in a small group (bug hunt) - dedicated to one or several projects of team members JC

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 - current state?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. 2. Control arrow key to move between words. I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, Â¿when it is planed, mid April? Cheers, Offray El 20/02/15 a las 13:46, kilon alios escribiÃ³: > I made a video tutorial about it here > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNh6VtPy8m4&list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof85… > > Well Pharo 4 comes with GT tools a new inspector and a new workspace. I am also > a huge fan of the new Dark Theme. > > Using Pharo makes you feel like Neo from The Matrix , you look at the screen , > realise the power of live coding and you say "WOW" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBRNqwDPrU > > Sure Pharo is far from perfect , it comes with its own kind of annoyances but I > think its so beautifully unique its hard to resist. > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM, sergio_101 <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com > <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>> wrote: > > okay, you've got me to switch.. anyway.. it's not that big deal to fire up > pharo 3 with the same codebase.. > > i think i saw GTSpotter on a screencast somewhere.. i will go look for it.. > > when you mention the other nice things, where can i find them? where should > i look? > > my day time development team (ruby and objective-c) is working on a side > project during lunch presentations, and then on our own time. it will be a > commercial product, and we're doing it in seaside.. .hopefully this will > generate 6 new converts into the fold. it is kind of confusing for everyone > at first.. but during our meetings, things get cleared up and people are > getting a good handle on all of it... > > to the point that during regular work, i am starting to hear "i wish we > (ruby ecosystem) had (insert ST goodness) here.." > > On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 12:07:03 PM kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I work with Pharo 4 and no longer use Pharo 3, its very stable I have > not experienced any kind of problem with it except one with > autocompletion when I was hacking Pharo themes for my Nirreas project. > > Definetly recommend it to you to switch just for GTSpotter alone and > many other new nice things. > > There million ways to help, you can a) bug fix c) document d) make your > own tools and share them with the rest of us e) introduce pharo to other > people so we can grow as a community and the list goes on and on. > > I only spend a hour a day with Pharo but is my happiest hour :) > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM, sergio_101 <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com > <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hey, all. > > I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. > > in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss > when going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. > > my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day > environment? > > can i use it as a part of my regular development? > > what can i do to help move everything along? > > thanks! > > >

March 16, 2015

[Pharo4] Please test Pharo4 *now*

by Marcus Denker

Hello, As every year: We can only fix what we know. And this means that no, just because *you* think that X and Y obviously needs to be fixed, it will only be fixed if a) there is an issue on the issue tracker b) someone fixes it. I should repeat: *Nothing*, even the most obvious or trivial, happens by itself. Marcus

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 - current state?

by Marcus Denker

> On 16 Mar 2015, at 17:41, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: > > 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. > > 2. Control arrow key to move between words. > > I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, Â¿when it is planed, mid April? > No, as right now there are no issues reported related to them. (sometimes I really wonderâ¦.) Marcus

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] VM Crash

by Franck Warlouzet

Hello, I tried to reproduce this bug, I have also an error with the same configuration. I don't have his problem, however when I quit Pharo, the connection shutdown makes Pharo crashes, but when I only do the connection shutdown, it works. I downloaded the dll here : https://ci.inria.fr/dbxtalk/view/OpenDBX/job/CLibrary-OpenDBX-1.4.6-Mysql/P… Cheers, Franck WARLOUZET Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:56:00 -0700 From: ml-node+s1294792n4811903h64(a)n4.nabble.com To: franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr Subject: VM Crash Hello, My VM crashes every time I open it. I ran the scripts below before crash occurs. | settings platform connection | settings := DBXConnectionSettings host: 'localhost' port: '3306' database: 'mysql' userName: 'root' userPassword: ''. platform := DBXMySQLBackend new. connection := DBXConnection platform: platform settings: settings. connection connect. connection open. I'm using: - Windows 8.1- OpenDBX dll files.- mysql-connector-c-6.1.5-win32- mysql 5.6.21- Pharo 3.0- OpenDBX driver stable package. I also attached the error pop-up and crash dump, please check. I'm looking forward for your advices. Best regards,Nico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "DBXTalk" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [hidden email]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. error.PNG (12K) Download Attachment crash.dmp (197K) Download Attachment If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://forum.world.st/VM-Crash-tp4811903.html To start a new topic under DBXTalk, email ml-node+s1294792n3718169h10(a)n4.nabble.com To unsubscribe from DBXTalk, click here. NAML

March 16, 2015

[Pharo News] Pharo Sprints

by Jean-Christophe Bach

Hello, Pharo sprints are now planned: http://pharo.org/news/Pharo-Sprints The next sprint will be on Friday, 3rd April, at Inria Lille. -- Jean-Christophe Bach

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fwd: when iterating over a collection how to determine the current objects index

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Nicolai, I think you are comparing apples and oranges here. AFAIK with:do: uses a second collection as first parameter and iterates over both of them. That's a completely different meaning of "with", imo. Let's not get started on the many ways in which with:do: is badly named ;-) I agree we can end this discussion as it is. I have two main arguments against renaming doWithIndex: one of which is that it would make Pharo just a little more incompatible with other dialects and one based on my guts about the name itself. This will not lead anywhere ;-) Joachim Am 16.03.15 um 13:41 schrieb Nicolai Hess: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Nicolai Hess* <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> > Date: 2015-03-16 13:40 GMT+01:00 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] when iterating over a collection how to > determine the current objects index > To: "jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de>" > <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de>> > > > > 2015-03-16 12:19 GMT+01:00 jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de>>: > > Nicolai, > > > > > > Am 16.03.15 um 11:59 schrieb Nicolai Hess: >> >> 2015-03-14 11:55 GMT+01:00 Sean P. DeNigris >> <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>>: >> >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> > which version do we pick? We should pick one, rename the callers >> >> As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, #doWithIndex: has >> the advantage >> of mirroring the argument order (although this still should >> be documented), >> and it's the one most people are probably most familiar with, >> so IMHO it >> makes sense to standardize on that. >> >> >> I like withIndexDo: because code like >> > so how would you name the current #do: if you had the choice? > > I still think this looks very logical: > > #do: > #do:separatedBy: > #doWithIndex: > #doWithSomeOtherSpecialty:andEvenMoreStuff: > > And then there still ist the question if the order of the > arguments should be changed: > > today: > > do: [:each| ] > doWithIndex: [:each :index| ] > > future: > > do: [:each| ] > withIndexDo: [:idx :each | ] > > Do you really think that is better? > > I think that if we move the withIndex part to the beginning of the > message, it overstates the importance of the fact that we also > need the index inside the iteration block. > > > >> aCollection withIndexDo: aBlock >> reads like >> "a collection with index" do >> > This would make sense if it was a Collection with an Index. > > > no, that is the point. > A collection with no index: > aCollection do: > > A collection with no index, but iterator over it like it had one: > aCollection withIndex do: > > From the method comment: > withIndexDo: elementAndIndexBlock > "Just like with:do: except that the iteration index supplies the > second argument to the block." > > it looks like this method derives from : > > SequenceableCollection>>#with: otherCollection do: twoArgBlock > "Evaluate twoArgBlock with corresponding elements from this > collection and otherCollection." > > > > > If there was an IndexedCollection class and maybe some message > like asIndexedCollection or withIndex, which turns any collection > into an IndexedCollection. Then the message might be a shortcut > for "make thsi an indexed collection and iterate over it using its > index" - comparable to Dictionary>>#keysAndValuesDo: - but please > be aware that a Dictionary has keys and values by its very own > nature. A Collection doesn't have an index (other than the fact > that the elements are stored in some non-guarantueed order). > > > This may all sound quite picky, but I think this is plain wrong > and you are about to introduce not only incompatible, but also > misleading naming for methods that exist on all Smalltalk dialects. > > > > I don't want to rename it, it is already there. I just said I like the > one better than the other one. > But it is not really important, I am fine with either or both. This > was just my explanation why I would choose withIndexDo: > > > Joachim > >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/when-iterating-over-a-collection-how-to-determine-the… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchelmailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburghttp://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

March 16, 2015

Fwd: when iterating over a collection how to determine the current objects index

by Nicolai Hess

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> Date: 2015-03-16 13:40 GMT+01:00 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] when iterating over a collection how to determine the current objects index To: "jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de" <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> 2015-03-16 12:19 GMT+01:00 jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> : > Nicolai, > > > > > > Am 16.03.15 um 11:59 schrieb Nicolai Hess: > > > 2015-03-14 11:55 GMT+01:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote >> > which version do we pick? We should pick one, rename the callers >> >> As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, #doWithIndex: has the >> advantage >> of mirroring the argument order (although this still should be >> documented), >> and it's the one most people are probably most familiar with, so IMHO it >> makes sense to standardize on that. >> > > I like withIndexDo: because code like > > so how would you name the current #do: if you had the choice? > > I still think this looks very logical: > > #do: > #do:separatedBy: > #doWithIndex: > #doWithSomeOtherSpecialty:andEvenMoreStuff: > > And then there still ist the question if the order of the arguments should > be changed: > > today: > > do: [:each| ] > doWithIndex: [:each :index| ] > > future: > > do: [:each| ] > withIndexDo: [:idx :each | ] > > Do you really think that is better? > > I think that if we move the withIndex part to the beginning of the > message, it overstates the importance of the fact that we also need the > index inside the iteration block. > > > > aCollection withIndexDo: aBlock > reads like > "a collection with index" do > > This would make sense if it was a Collection with an Index. > no, that is the point. A collection with no index: aCollection do: A collection with no index, but iterator over it like it had one: aCollection withIndex do: >From the method comment: withIndexDo: elementAndIndexBlock "Just like with:do: except that the iteration index supplies the second argument to the block." it looks like this method derives from : SequenceableCollection>>#with: otherCollection do: twoArgBlock "Evaluate twoArgBlock with corresponding elements from this collection and otherCollection." > If there was an IndexedCollection class and maybe some message like > asIndexedCollection or withIndex, which turns any collection into an > IndexedCollection. Then the message might be a shortcut for "make thsi an > indexed collection and iterate over it using its index" - comparable to > Dictionary>>#keysAndValuesDo: - but please be aware that a Dictionary has > keys and values by its very own nature. A Collection doesn't have an index > (other than the fact that the elements are stored in some non-guarantueed > order). > > > This may all sound quite picky, but I think this is plain wrong and you > are about to introduce not only incompatible, but also misleading naming > for methods that exist on all Smalltalk dialects. > I don't want to rename it, it is already there. I just said I like the one better than the other one. But it is not really important, I am fine with either or both. This was just my explanation why I would choose withIndexDo: > > Joachim > > > > > >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/when-iterating-over-a-collection-how-to-determine-the… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > >

March 16, 2015