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Re: [Pharo-users] [OT] Bill Gross: The single biggest reason why startups succeed

by stepharo

Hi jose Thanks for this interesting testimony. Le 21/7/15 12:08, Jose San Leandro a Ã©crit : > If an opinion from a newcomer is useful, I'm not so obsessed about how > popular Smalltalk is. > > I came to Smalltalk because a friend of mine (Rafa Luque) was > enthusiastic about it, and suggested me to try it. > The candy was not to build applications faster, but to think > differently, to question what and how we approach problems with > mainstream, industry "best practice" technologies and languages. > > I see Smalltalk more like what security researches think of their > discipline: it's a process, not a list of tools or recipes. After > almost two decades of developing commercial software for others and > open-source projects (mainly) for myself, using mostly Java but also > Lisp, Smalltalk has blown my mind. Could you give an example? Because I have problem to understand (since I'm born with a lisp, did my studies with an object lisp and found Smalltalk (yet another object lispish). > That wouldn't have happened if I'd tried Seaside just because I wanted > to try a different web framework. > > In my case, to approach Smalltalk I needed a certain state of mind. > You have to be aware programming is not memorizing design patterns and > pay for an IDE to do most things for you, including to check for > non-functional stuff nobody seems to care about. We're in the "i'm > proud to be lazy" era. I've seen smart people reject Smalltalk just > because they don't seem to care about what they do, or at least they > don't want to invest their time and energy. > > Probably there's a way to convert Pharo in node.js or Go, to make > people use Seaside instead of ruby on rails. More people potentially > means more financial support, and a better, sooner, full-featured, Pharo. Would be nice :) I think that having powerful libraries never hurts. This is why the stack sven is building is great. > But even then, Smalltalk empowers people to think differently and > gives the means to do so, and to promote that has to tackled differently. > I'd focus on how using Smalltalk gradually makes you a better > professional, before blaming ourselves for not yet providing > sophisticated frameworks anyone can use even if they don't know what > they're doing. :) Again I need examples Because you come from outside so this is obvious but for me I have problem to make what you say explicit. I would like to use your experience when I'm teaching :) > > Let's take the Scala or the Git case. What made people invest in > learning them was, at least in part, that they felt smarter. :) > We should focus on that: comparing how the same problem is solved in > other languages. Showing what live programming is. Don't be humble > just to be polite. > > On the other hand, Smalltalk enables us to face problems that are > potentially unachievable in other languages / ecosystems. Let's define > on a "Pharo way to do X", which inevitably starts building a > domain-specific browser, a custom IDE, and recipes for common scenarios. > > In summary, as Martin Bahr says, it's critically important to ensure > we can survive indefinitely until the perfect "timing" arrives. But > don't punish ourselves too much for not being popular. For me, the > greatest value lies elsewhere. Thanks. For me I just want to build a great system and step by step we are doing it. So exciting: small kernel, new graphics, vector graphics, cool web stack, better tools.... The pieces are coming together. > > > 2015-07-21 3:14 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com > <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>>: > > Martin BÃ¤hr wrote > > did smalltalk miss its chance, so we should give up? > > or is it still coming? glass bowl anyone? > > Using Unix - which took 50 years to takeover the world - as a > metric, we > should be hitting our stride in about 2030 ;) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Bill-Gross-The-single-biggest-reason-why-startups-suc… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalkhub permission denied

by stepharo

Yes from time to time we have this problem... Le 22/7/15 04:10, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > Hello, > > On a freshly created project I have permission denied to write on the repo. > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~HilaireFernandes/Tools > > Hilaire >

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] New pretty printer Blue Ink

by Martin Dias

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > Am 22.07.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > > > Nice. > > > > All this new stuff (decompiler, formatter), what's next (new changes log > ? ;-). > > > That is a very good question. When will Epicea be integrated? The current > stuff is broken anyway so less chance to worsen things :) > I hope we can integrate it soon. One of the points that delayed the integration is that we shouldn't have two overlapping mechanisms to log changes in the 5.0 release (traditional .changes/.sources file + Epicea). Then, I have made many small refactorings in Pharo 5.0 towards making the whole .changes thing removable. In particular, I tried to encapsulate reads/writes to the changes files, the uses of RemoteString, and others, into SourceFileArray (as a kind of faÃ§ade). A more clear and concentrated API in SourceFileArray is helping to understand how this thing works and how it could be removed and replaced. For example, SourceFileArray was a subclass of collection and there were many "SourceFiles at: 2" spread in the image to access the .changes file. Currently those are fixed but there is still some work to do. But I do believe we can have a removable .changes thing for Pharo 5 :-) MartÃn

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] New pretty printer Blue Ink

by Franck Warlouzet

> From: sven(a)stfx.eu > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:27:46 +0200 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] New pretty printer Blue Ink > > Nice. > > All this new stuff (decompiler, formatter), what's next (new changes log ? ;-). New groups in Nautilus too, currently they are full of bugs and strange things. I am cleaning them up, I hope I will soon be done so you can use them. Franck > > On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:44, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > We just integrated Blue Ink, the new pretty printer, in the latest Pharo 5 image ! Basically what was working still is and what was not well now is. > > > > It is not yet enabled by default, we will wait for feedbacks first. If you want to try it, just type : > > > > RBProgramNode formatterClass: BIConfigurableFormatter. > > > > BIConfigurableFormatter formatAsYouReadPolicy: true > > > > Feel free to contact me via the mailing list or personnal mail if you experience a strange behavior. I tried to improve all of them but with you I am sure all the cases will be treated in an exhaustive way. > > > > Thanks for testing it, I hope it will convince you to use format as you read in Nautilus or just automatically format your code. > > > > Franck > >

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] New pretty printer Blue Ink

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 22.07.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > Nice. > > All this new stuff (decompiler, formatter), what's next (new changes log ? ;-). > That is a very good question. When will Epicea be integrated? The current stuff is broken anyway so less chance to worsen things :) Norbert >> On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:44, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> We just integrated Blue Ink, the new pretty printer, in the latest Pharo 5 image ! Basically what was working still is and what was not well now is. >> >> It is not yet enabled by default, we will wait for feedbacks first. If you want to try it, just type : >> >> RBProgramNode formatterClass: BIConfigurableFormatter. >> >> BIConfigurableFormatter formatAsYouReadPolicy: true >> >> Feel free to contact me via the mailing list or personnal mail if you experience a strange behavior. I tried to improve all of them but with you I am sure all the cases will be treated in an exhaustive way. >> >> Thanks for testing it, I hope it will convince you to use format as you read in Nautilus or just automatically format your code. >> >> Franck > >

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] New pretty printer Blue Ink

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Nice. All this new stuff (decompiler, formatter), what's next (new changes log ? ;-). > On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:44, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet(a)hotmail.fr> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We just integrated Blue Ink, the new pretty printer, in the latest Pharo 5 image ! Basically what was working still is and what was not well now is. > > It is not yet enabled by default, we will wait for feedbacks first. If you want to try it, just type : > > RBProgramNode formatterClass: BIConfigurableFormatter. > > BIConfigurableFormatter formatAsYouReadPolicy: true > > Feel free to contact me via the mailing list or personnal mail if you experience a strange behavior. I tried to improve all of them but with you I am sure all the cases will be treated in an exhaustive way. > > Thanks for testing it, I hope it will convince you to use format as you read in Nautilus or just automatically format your code. > > Franck

July 22, 2015

New pretty printer Blue Ink

by Franck Warlouzet

Hello everyone, We just integrated Blue Ink, the new pretty printer, in the latest Pharo 5 image ! Basically what was working still is and what was not well now is. It is not yet enabled by default, we will wait for feedbacks first. If you want to try it, just type : RBProgramNode formatterClass: BIConfigurableFormatter. BIConfigurableFormatter formatAsYouReadPolicy: true Feel free to contact me via the mailing list or personnal mail if you experience a strange behavior. I tried to improve all of them but with you I am sure all the cases will be treated in an exhaustive way. Thanks for testing it, I hope it will convince you to use format as you read in Nautilus or just automatically format your code. Franck

July 22, 2015

Smalltalkhub permission denied

by Hilaire

Hello, On a freshly created project I have permission denied to write on the repo. http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~HilaireFernandes/Tools Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

July 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] (Money) accounting soft in Pharo?

by Sebastian Heidbrink

Hi Peter, I am not aware of the current status, but it might be worth a look http://www.squeaksource.com/SmallPOS.html http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SmallPOS.html http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~assargadon/SmallPOS Sebastian Am 21.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Peter UhnÃ¡k: > Hi, > > is there any (double-entry) accounting software in Pharo? (Think > GnuCash/KMyMoney/...) > > Peter

July 22, 2015

(Money) accounting soft in Pharo?

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, is there any (double-entry) accounting software in Pharo? (Think GnuCash/KMyMoney/...) Peter

July 21, 2015