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Re: [Pharo-users] gitfiletree metadata

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Check which versions are bold when you open the package. Because when I >> use gitfiletree it usually shows me that the latest few versions are not >> loaded (they are in bold) but I am anyway on the latest one. > > > As I've said, it shows me that I am on the latest version. > > Maybe this happens to you because you load it from github and only after > you add gitfiletree? (At least from what I remember what you've shown me > (and you are using GitFileTree from MetaRepo30?)) > > Understood. So this means all commits you've done (the -bliznjan) were >> done with filetree? >> > > He suffered through with git on Windows for some time, so maybe the later > half? > > Sorry for the lack of support on windows. You'll have to wait for >> libcgit. > > > Is there an estimated timeline when this will be? (weeks, months, years, > ...?) > > >> Barely similar behavior to ghost changes is that when I finish my loading >> script, DynaCASE package is marked as changed, but when I try to get diff >> (changes) with (git)filetree, it says nothing has changed and this >> "changed" >> mark disappears. > > > When you look at the way the changed flag is set in Monticello, it is >> obvious false positives are the order of the day. So nothing really >> significant there ;) > > > Yes, this also happens to me, but it is different. > Actually this is what I was expecting would happen in the issue described > originally... that when I check changes (and it was already committed) that > it would just disappear as false positive... but nope, it still claimed > it's new and only actual git history have shown that it was a false > positive. > > Anyway, it doesn't seem there will be resolution for this until it can be > reproduced consistently... so I'll try be more observant. :) > Note to self: it may or may not be related to having github repository loaded for some unknown reason... because that shouldn't be there as I lock & load everything from local gitfiletree repos...

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] gitfiletree metadata

by Thierry Goubier

Le 24/07/2015 13:26, Peter UhnÃ¡k a Ã©crit : > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Thierry Goubier > <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > 2015-07-24 13:19 GMT+02:00 Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com > <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>>: > > I'm not sure how is Pharo 4 related (I do all dev in 5 now). > > > I should update DynaCASE docs, if that's where you got that > impression... > > > Yes, from the DynaCASE doc, I believed you were in Pharo4 :) > > > Sorry, I've fixed that now. I moved to Pharo 5 during ESUG and forgot to > update it. > In fact the original issue emerged after I switched to 5, so in 4 it > should be ok. Ok, regarding the error, I'm correcting it as I write this email and... The semantics of Monticello (or the changes done in Pharo5 because I never saw them before) are horrible. There is for example, code encapsulated with <<on: Error do:>> which totally get the wrong result (and hide the error) when ordering versions in a repository. In short, I suspect your problem with changes are linked to that. Man, how I hate having to cope with code like that. Thierry > > Peter

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Screamer for Smalltalk?

by stepharo

it is close to amb? because seaside has amb Le 23/7/15 23:03, Paul DeBruicker a Ã©crit : > Hi > > Screamer (https://nikodemus.github.io/screamer/) is a Lisp library that: > > "Screamer provides a nondeterministic choice-point operator, a backtracking mechanism, and a forward propagation facility." > > > Is there an equivalent library available in Smalltalk? > > > Thanks > > Paul >

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal wiki / information manager

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

But Pier is in the browser, no? On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:06 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi > > You have pier http://piercms.com > Esteban is thinking about doing a minipier. > > Stef > > Le 24/7/15 15:26, Bystroushaak a Ã©crit : > > Hello. >> >> Is there any software projects/libraries for personal wiki (something >> like ZIM or CherryTree or Orgmode for writing texts/notes) and personal >> information managing in Pharo? >> >> I think that Pharo would be great for this kind of software, because it >> would provide rich scripting options. Also the idea of representing >> informations as objects is really great. >> >> For example; now I keep list of books I read in DSV file. With this SW, I >> could have a list of objects representing the books, which could be sorted >> or rendered to lower level protocols, like DSV/XML/whatever. >> >> Related: >> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_information_manager >> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_wiki >> >> >> >> > >

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal wiki / information manager

by stepharo

Hi You have pier http://piercms.com Esteban is thinking about doing a minipier. Stef Le 24/7/15 15:26, Bystroushaak a Ã©crit : > Hello. > > Is there any software projects/libraries for personal wiki (something > like ZIM or CherryTree or Orgmode for writing texts/notes) and > personal information managing in Pharo? > > I think that Pharo would be great for this kind of software, because > it would provide rich scripting options. Also the idea of representing > informations as objects is really great. > > For example; now I keep list of books I read in DSV file. With this > SW, I could have a list of objects representing the books, which could > be sorted or rendered to lower level protocols, like DSV/XML/whatever. > > Related: > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_information_manager > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_wiki > > >

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] deprecating classes

by Mariano Martinez Peck

In the past I have done a few hacks...one was to remove all methods from the class and only implement #doesNotUnderstand: calling the deprecation method saying the class was deprecated and now you should use xxxx. In another case, I didn't want to remove methods from the class for some other reason, so if I remember correct I hacked it but doing a Smalltalk at: #MyClass put: self createDeprecatedClass. And #createDeprecatedClass would create a dummy class with no method but the mentioned dnu... But for sure we need a better way to deprecate classes and packages too! On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > is there a mechanism for deprecating whole classes? > > For example there's class RTResizEable that has been replaced by > RTResizable (without extra "e") class. But if I don't want to break > people's code I would like to tell them that they should use something else. > > I could mark every method with "self deprecated:" but that's a bit > tedious... > And doing it with a script (rewritting all methods to add the statement) > is dangerous, because it can be part of UI loop, so it will blow up the > image with warnings. > > An idea might be to instead of opening Warning dialog with debug... > to create a "Deprecations Browser" (which has only one instance so if you > attempt to open it again while it is still opened nothing will happen). > And in the Deprecations Browser would be list of triggered deprecations... > maybe something like "Announcements tab" in Announcer inspector... > > That way even deprecations in UI loops will just add a hundred rows to a > single window instead of opening hundred windows. (And there would be also > opportunity for not showing duplicates.) > > Thanks, > Peter > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Font with many Unicode glyphs to display code -- IPA?

by Henrik Johansen

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 4:14 , H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > P.S. Screen shot attached. > A source code font. > Or put the question differently how do I add a font as a source code font? > > > On 7/23/15, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello >> >> I work on an app which has some strings in the code with a >> considerable number of non ISO8859 symbols (e.g. IPA >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA) >> >> How do I get / use a font which does this? The fonts provided in the >> settings panel did not do the job. >> >> Thank you in advance >> --Hannes >> > <Pharo4.0_settings_browser_fonts_Screenshot from 2015-07-23 13:58:28.png> Click the font name next to the Code entry to change it, press "Update" in the selection window, and then select a system font (after installing if it's not included in the OS) that has IPA coverage. Searching for "ipa font <my platform>" should give pointers to which you can use. Cheers, Herny

July 24, 2015

deprecating classes

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, is there a mechanism for deprecating whole classes? For example there's class RTResizEable that has been replaced by RTResizable (without extra "e") class. But if I don't want to break people's code I would like to tell them that they should use something else. I could mark every method with "self deprecated:" but that's a bit tedious... And doing it with a script (rewritting all methods to add the statement) is dangerous, because it can be part of UI loop, so it will blow up the image with warnings. An idea might be to instead of opening Warning dialog with debug... to create a "Deprecations Browser" (which has only one instance so if you attempt to open it again while it is still opened nothing will happen). And in the Deprecations Browser would be list of triggered deprecations... maybe something like "Announcements tab" in Announcer inspector... That way even deprecations in UI loops will just add a hundred rows to a single window instead of opening hundred windows. (And there would be also opportunity for not showing duplicates.) Thanks, Peter

July 24, 2015

Personal wiki / information manager

by Bystroushaak

Hello. Is there any software projects/libraries for personal wiki (something like ZIM or CherryTree or Orgmode for writing texts/notes) and personal information managing in Pharo? I think that Pharo would be great for this kind of software, because it would provide rich scripting options. Also the idea of representing informations as objects is really great. For example; now I keep list of books I read in DSV file. With this SW, I could have a list of objects representing the books, which could be sorted or rendered to lower level protocols, like DSV/XML/whatever. Related: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_information_manager - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_wiki

July 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] gitfiletree metadata

by Tudor Girba

Hi Peter, On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Alex, would you be able to show something with Roassal? It would be really >> nice to see the overall git history graph overlaid with the graph of the >> history of the selected package. >> > > Interesting that if someone else needs it I have no problem writing > Roassal scripts etc, but when I need it I don't even think of using Roassal > to actually solve my problems... > > You nailed an important point here. In humane assessment I distinguish between two roles: stakeholder and facilitator. Theoretically, these can both be fulfilled by the same person at the same time, but this often proves to be strangely difficult. I noticed this issue when I fixed a rather funny Glamour bug that haunted us for more than 6 months, until I finally figured it out by building a visualization that took 1h of effort: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/chasing-rogue-announcements/ Reasoning about software systems is more tricky than we think. I believe there are two dimensions at play: - Getting tools to be cheaply moldable is one. This is where the history we have with Moose/Roassal/GT et co can play an important role. And we should certainly not stop at what exists. For example, your work on live visual manipulation is an important direction. So is the idea behind Telescope. And there are others. - But, regardless of how smart the tools will be, the second dimensions remains a cognitive one. We do not know yet what is the best way, but it certainly isn't how the current industry-standard-tools make us work. In our environment we now have the luxury of exploring new possibilities because the environment is so radically different (and it will be even more different). There is no other environment I know that provides this opportunity, and I believe this is the place where we can change software development. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

July 24, 2015