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Re: [Pharo-users] Personal wiki / information manager

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Count me in, but I don't understant pretty well the offline part of the talk...do you mean face to face? Cheers, Offray On 26/07/15 15:27, Evan Donahue wrote: > Seems that Pharo is a magnet for this kind of project. I've been > writing one as well and using it to organize my research notes. Does > anyone working on personal info mgmt tools want to talk offline? I > expect we're running into some of the same issues, both conceptual and > technical. > > Evan > >

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal wiki / information manager

by Andy Jones

LOL - this is actually what brought me back to Smalltalk again - specifically the idea of some sort of programmable Wiki - but I certainly don't have any code yet; complete newb here. On 26 July 2015 21:27:15 BST, Evan Donahue <emdonahu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Seems that Pharo is a magnet for this kind of project. I've been >writing >one as well and using it to organize my research notes. Does anyone >working >on personal info mgmt tools want to talk offline? I expect we're >running >into some of the same issues, both conceptual and technical. > >Evan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal wiki / information manager

by Evan Donahue

Seems that Pharo is a magnet for this kind of project. I've been writing one as well and using it to organize my research notes. Does anyone working on personal info mgmt tools want to talk offline? I expect we're running into some of the same issues, both conceptual and technical. Evan

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Linux Install -- problems, but eventually successful

by Andy Jones

Well that *is* odd. I thought I had a pretty standard #!11. Perhaps it's my machine that's screwed up. On 26 July 2015 20:47:40 BST, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Just as a curiosity what Crunchbang install are you using? I have used >my script on Crunchbang. But I haven't used #! since it ended. I like >staying current so I always installed Waldorf and the ran another >script >to upgrade to Sid install all of my stuff. Then I would run my script >in >my new Jessie based #!. > >I started this email above and then decided to do a fresh install #! as > >stated above. It worked just fine. >In fact I tried it while still as Waldorf. Pharo failed there stating >that it required GLIBC 2.15. If I remember correctly. > >I am at a loss as to what the problem is. > >Jimmie > > >On 07/26/2015 05:06 AM, Shadowfirebird wrote: >> Actually, no, because I assumed that there were broken dependancies >in >> Crunchbang and it wouldn't help. Here goes... >> >> TL;DR: I just got tangled up in missing dependancies; I think this is >> a #! problem. Thanks for the idea, though. >> >> Long version: >> >> shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: ./pharo >> could not find module vm-display-X11 >> [1] 4875 abort ./pharo >> >> (134) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: cd bin >> >> shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: ldd vm-display-X11 >> linux-gate.so.1 (0xf776e000) >> libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf771d000) >> libGL.so.1 => not found >> libX11.so.6 => not found >> libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7572000) >> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf776f000) >> >> Well outside of my comfort zone here, but a quick web search suggests >> I might want libgl1-mesa-glx or libgl1-mesa-swx11? Looking at >Synaptic >> I can see a libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386, so let's try that? >> >> (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get >> install libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686 >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you >have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the >unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been >created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-swx11:i386 >(= >> 8.0.5-4+deb7u2) but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.3.6-6~) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libgcc1:i386 (>= >1:4.1.1) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libstdc++6:i386 (>= >4.1.1) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libx11-6:i386 but it is >> not going to be installed >> Depends: libxext6:i386 but it is >> not going to be installed >> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. >> >> Okay. Hmm. Maybe apt-get is failing to chain-install these >dependancies? Maybe? >> >> (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get >> install libc6:i386 >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you >have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the >unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been >created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libc6 : Depends: libgcc1 but it is not going to be installed >> Breaks: libc6:i386 (!= 2.19-13) but 2.13-38+deb7u8 is >to >> be installed >> libc6:i386 : Breaks: libc6 (!= 2.13-38+deb7u8) but 2.19-13 is >to >> be installed >> libcairo2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libxcb-render0 but it is not going to be >installed >> Depends: libxcb-shm0 but it is not going to be >installed >> Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be >installed >> Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be >installed >> libcurl3-gnutls : Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libgnutls26 (>= 2.12.17-0) but it is >> not going to be installed >> Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.10+dfsg~) but >> it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libidn11 (>= 1.13) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7) but it is >not >> going to be installed >> Depends: librtmp0 (>= 2.3) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libssh2-1 (>= 1.2.6) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Recommends: ca-certificates but it is not >going >> to be installed >> libdbus-glib-1-2 : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.2.16) but it is >not >> going to be installed >> libglib2.0-0 : Depends: libffi5 (>= 3.0.4) but it is not going >to >> be installed >> Depends: libpcre3 (>= 8.10) but it is not going >to >> be installed >> Depends: libselinux1 (>= 1.32) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Recommends: shared-mime-info >> libimlib2 : Depends: libbz2-1.0 but it is not going to be >installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not going to >be installed >> Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) but it is not going to be >installed >> Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libtiff4 (> 3.9.5-3~) but it is not going >to >> be installed >> liblua5.1-0 : Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> libruby1.8 : Depends: libgdbm3 (>= 1.8.3) but it is not going >to >> be installed >> Depends: libreadline5 (>= 5.2) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> libx11-6 : Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.2) but it is not going to be >installed >> libxft2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not >going >> to be installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not going >to >> be installed >> Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be >installed >> libxml2 : Depends: liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614) but it is >> not going to be installed >> Recommends: xml-core but it is not going to be >installed >> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may >> be caused by held packages. >> sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 19.22s user 0.12s system 99% >cpu >> 19.356 total >> >> ...Ooof. Okay, giving up now. Thanks for the idea, though. >> >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck >> <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Did you try doing a "ldd" over the VM executable file so that you >can find >>> the missing dependencies? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:09 PM, >Shadowfirebird<shadowfirebird(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Same problem. I'm afraid -- Crunchbang refuses to install >libasound2:i386 >>>> because it cannot fulfill the dependencies. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Jimmie >Houchin<jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to Pharo and the Pharo community. Smalltalk/Pharo are >>>>> exceptionally empowering tools. And getting better all the time. >>>>> >>>>> My apologies for your difficulties. I personally have not seen >that page >>>>> before as I already have scripts for installing all of the >requisite >>>>> libraries. This script has worked for me for years on Ubuntu or >other Debian >>>>> based distros. My favorite was Crunchbang. >>>>> >>>>> I did not originate this script but believe I started with I found >years >>>>> ago for either Debian or Ubuntu. I cleaned it up and added to it >over time. >>>>> It installs all the necessary libraries to my knowledge. Whether >or not >>>>> installs more than I need I do not know. All I do know is that >after running >>>>> the script Pharo runs perfectly. >>>>> >>>>> I copied all of this from my setup-pharo.sh script. >>>>> I run this script anytime I have a fresh Linux install. >>>>> I then sudo -s and run the script. >>>>> >>>>> dpkg --add-architecture i386 >>>>> apt-get update >>>>> >>>>> apt-get --yes install cmake zip bash-completion ruby git xz-utils >>>>> debhelper devscripts >>>>> apt-get --yes install libc6-dev:i386 libasound2:i386 >libasound2-dev:i386 >>>>> libasound2-plugins:i386 >>>>> apt-get --yes install libssl-dev:i386 libssl1.0.0:i386 >libssh2-1:i386 >>>>> libfreetype6-dev:i386 libx11-dev:i386 libsm-dev:i386 >libice-dev:i386 >>>>> apt-get --yes install build-essential gcc-multilib g++ >>>>> apt-get --yes install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully this can help your experience with Pharo and/or Squeak. >>>>> >>>>> Jimmie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/25/2015 09:54 AM, Shadowfirebird wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been having trouble getting *any* sort of Smalltalk working >on >>>>>> Linux. But ultimately I got Pharo (my first choice) working on >Debian >>>>>> Jessie. >>>>>> >>>>>> It wasn't terribly hard in the end, but since the instructions at >>>>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup seem >to be out >>>>>> of date, I thought it might be helpful to post something in case >those in >>>>>> charge of that page would like to update. Since there is no >issue tracker, >>>>>> I assume this is a good a place as any. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ## Short Version ## >>>>>> >>>>>> * sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 >>>>>> * sudo apt-get update >>>>>> * sudo apt-get install lib32zl lib32ncurses5 >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that there is no ia32-libs package on Jessie, as far as I >can tell. >>>>>> (I have no idea whether you actually need to install >lib32ncurses5, but >>>>>> those were what apt-get suggested, and it worked.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have a startup error -- "MessageNotUnderstood: >>>>>> EmbeddedFreeTypeFontInstaller>>failedToOpen:Index:" -- but it >doesn't seem >>>>>> to break anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ## Longer version / Rant ## >>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo turned out to be impossible on my netbook (where I would >like to >>>>>> use it, sadly) because it is still running Crunchbang, which is >Debian Woody >>>>>> under the hood. So in theory the fix from the 64bit install page >should >>>>>> work. It doesn't, though -- some sort of problem with #! I >suppose >>>>>> >>>>>> "The following packages have unmet dependacies: >>>>>> ia32-libs: Depends: ia32-libs-i386" >>>>>> >>>>>> Squeak, as downloaded from their site, has exactly the same >problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pharo isn't in the Debian Repository, but an old version of the >Squeak >>>>>> VM -- *just* the VM -- is. (Not sure what the point of that is.) > It >>>>>> doesn't work with the current Squeak image from the website. I >did >>>>>> eventually manage to get a compatible image ... via FTP. Good >grief. (Good >>>>>> enough to learn the ropes, I suppose.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I really didn't want to go the Gnu Smalltalk road, but in >desperation I >>>>>> tried it. Under both Crunchbang and Debian Jessie, the >gst-browser package >>>>>> falls over immediately when you start it, a great big error trace >I won't >>>>>> bother to paste here. These are packages in the *repository*. Is >no-one >>>>>> maintaining them? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The point of this rant is to give context to the following: >thank you. >>>>>> Really, thank you, to the folks behind Pharo and everyone reading >this. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the problem with FOSS: blink, and yesterday's rave >technology is >>>>>> gone. And Smalltalk is *important* -- I'm not a Smalltalk >programmer, but >>>>>> every time I play with it I learn so much about OOP, programming, >and good >>>>>> design of classes. And I keep coming back to try to work with it >again, >>>>>> because it offers things I want and just can't get elsewhere. >The idea that >>>>>> Smalltalk might one day just ... not run? Not worth thinking >about. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, broke a cardinal rule here. Apologies for joining a >mailing list >>>>>> and then immediately posting a long rant. Going to Lurk Mode >now! >>>>>> >>>>>> Shadow. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Look through time and find your rhyme / Tell us what you find / We >will >>>> wait at your gate / Hoping like the blind. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Linux Install -- problems, but eventually successful

by Jimmie Houchin

Just as a curiosity what Crunchbang install are you using? I have used my script on Crunchbang. But I haven't used #! since it ended. I like staying current so I always installed Waldorf and the ran another script to upgrade to Sid install all of my stuff. Then I would run my script in my new Jessie based #!. I started this email above and then decided to do a fresh install #! as stated above. It worked just fine. In fact I tried it while still as Waldorf. Pharo failed there stating that it required GLIBC 2.15. If I remember correctly. I am at a loss as to what the problem is. Jimmie On 07/26/2015 05:06 AM, Shadowfirebird wrote: > Actually, no, because I assumed that there were broken dependancies in > Crunchbang and it wouldn't help. Here goes... > > TL;DR: I just got tangled up in missing dependancies; I think this is > a #! problem. Thanks for the idea, though. > > Long version: > > shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: ./pharo > could not find module vm-display-X11 > [1] 4875 abort ./pharo > > (134) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: cd bin > > shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: ldd vm-display-X11 > linux-gate.so.1 (0xf776e000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf771d000) > libGL.so.1 => not found > libX11.so.6 => not found > libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7572000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf776f000) > > Well outside of my comfort zone here, but a quick web search suggests > I might want libgl1-mesa-glx or libgl1-mesa-swx11? Looking at Synaptic > I can see a libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386, so let's try that? > > (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get > install libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-swx11:i386 (= > 8.0.5-4+deb7u2) but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.3.6-6~) > but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libgcc1:i386 (>= 1:4.1.1) > but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libstdc++6:i386 (>= 4.1.1) > but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libx11-6:i386 but it is > not going to be installed > Depends: libxext6:i386 but it is > not going to be installed > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > Okay. Hmm. Maybe apt-get is failing to chain-install these dependancies? Maybe? > > (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get > install libc6:i386 > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libc6 : Depends: libgcc1 but it is not going to be installed > Breaks: libc6:i386 (!= 2.19-13) but 2.13-38+deb7u8 is to > be installed > libc6:i386 : Breaks: libc6 (!= 2.13-38+deb7u8) but 2.19-13 is to > be installed > libcairo2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not > going to be installed > Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6) but it is not > going to be installed > Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libxcb-render0 but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libxcb-shm0 but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be installed > libcurl3-gnutls : Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5) but it is not > going to be installed > Depends: libgnutls26 (>= 2.12.17-0) but it is > not going to be installed > Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.10+dfsg~) but > it is not going to be installed > Depends: libidn11 (>= 1.13) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7) but it is not > going to be installed > Depends: librtmp0 (>= 2.3) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libssh2-1 (>= 1.2.6) but it is not > going to be installed > Recommends: ca-certificates but it is not going > to be installed > libdbus-glib-1-2 : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.2.16) but it is not > going to be installed > libglib2.0-0 : Depends: libffi5 (>= 3.0.4) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: libpcre3 (>= 8.10) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: libselinux1 (>= 1.32) but it is not going > to be installed > Recommends: shared-mime-info > libimlib2 : Depends: libbz2-1.0 but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) but it is not going to be installed > Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libtiff4 (> 3.9.5-3~) but it is not going to > be installed > liblua5.1-0 : Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) but it is not going > to be installed > libruby1.8 : Depends: libgdbm3 (>= 1.8.3) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: libreadline5 (>= 5.2) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going > to be installed > libx11-6 : Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.2) but it is not going to be installed > libxft2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not going > to be installed > Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not going to > be installed > Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be installed > libxml2 : Depends: liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614) but it is > not going to be installed > Recommends: xml-core but it is not going to be installed > E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may > be caused by held packages. > sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 19.22s user 0.12s system 99% cpu > 19.356 total > > ...Ooof. Okay, giving up now. Thanks for the idea, though. > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Did you try doing a "ldd" over the VM executable file so that you can find >> the missing dependencies? >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Shadowfirebird<shadowfirebird(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Same problem. I'm afraid -- Crunchbang refuses to install libasound2:i386 >>> because it cannot fulfill the dependencies. >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Jimmie Houchin<jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Welcome to Pharo and the Pharo community. Smalltalk/Pharo are >>>> exceptionally empowering tools. And getting better all the time. >>>> >>>> My apologies for your difficulties. I personally have not seen that page >>>> before as I already have scripts for installing all of the requisite >>>> libraries. This script has worked for me for years on Ubuntu or other Debian >>>> based distros. My favorite was Crunchbang. >>>> >>>> I did not originate this script but believe I started with I found years >>>> ago for either Debian or Ubuntu. I cleaned it up and added to it over time. >>>> It installs all the necessary libraries to my knowledge. Whether or not >>>> installs more than I need I do not know. All I do know is that after running >>>> the script Pharo runs perfectly. >>>> >>>> I copied all of this from my setup-pharo.sh script. >>>> I run this script anytime I have a fresh Linux install. >>>> I then sudo -s and run the script. >>>> >>>> dpkg --add-architecture i386 >>>> apt-get update >>>> >>>> apt-get --yes install cmake zip bash-completion ruby git xz-utils >>>> debhelper devscripts >>>> apt-get --yes install libc6-dev:i386 libasound2:i386 libasound2-dev:i386 >>>> libasound2-plugins:i386 >>>> apt-get --yes install libssl-dev:i386 libssl1.0.0:i386 libssh2-1:i386 >>>> libfreetype6-dev:i386 libx11-dev:i386 libsm-dev:i386 libice-dev:i386 >>>> apt-get --yes install build-essential gcc-multilib g++ >>>> apt-get --yes install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 >>>> >>>> Hopefully this can help your experience with Pharo and/or Squeak. >>>> >>>> Jimmie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/25/2015 09:54 AM, Shadowfirebird wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I've been having trouble getting *any* sort of Smalltalk working on >>>>> Linux. But ultimately I got Pharo (my first choice) working on Debian >>>>> Jessie. >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't terribly hard in the end, but since the instructions at >>>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup seem to be out >>>>> of date, I thought it might be helpful to post something in case those in >>>>> charge of that page would like to update. Since there is no issue tracker, >>>>> I assume this is a good a place as any. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ## Short Version ## >>>>> >>>>> * sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 >>>>> * sudo apt-get update >>>>> * sudo apt-get install lib32zl lib32ncurses5 >>>>> >>>>> Note that there is no ia32-libs package on Jessie, as far as I can tell. >>>>> (I have no idea whether you actually need to install lib32ncurses5, but >>>>> those were what apt-get suggested, and it worked.) >>>>> >>>>> I do have a startup error -- "MessageNotUnderstood: >>>>> EmbeddedFreeTypeFontInstaller>>failedToOpen:Index:" -- but it doesn't seem >>>>> to break anything. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ## Longer version / Rant ## >>>>> >>>>> Pharo turned out to be impossible on my netbook (where I would like to >>>>> use it, sadly) because it is still running Crunchbang, which is Debian Woody >>>>> under the hood. So in theory the fix from the 64bit install page should >>>>> work. It doesn't, though -- some sort of problem with #! I suppose >>>>> >>>>> "The following packages have unmet dependacies: >>>>> ia32-libs: Depends: ia32-libs-i386" >>>>> >>>>> Squeak, as downloaded from their site, has exactly the same problem. >>>>> >>>>> Pharo isn't in the Debian Repository, but an old version of the Squeak >>>>> VM -- *just* the VM -- is. (Not sure what the point of that is.) It >>>>> doesn't work with the current Squeak image from the website. I did >>>>> eventually manage to get a compatible image ... via FTP. Good grief. (Good >>>>> enough to learn the ropes, I suppose.) >>>>> >>>>> I really didn't want to go the Gnu Smalltalk road, but in desperation I >>>>> tried it. Under both Crunchbang and Debian Jessie, the gst-browser package >>>>> falls over immediately when you start it, a great big error trace I won't >>>>> bother to paste here. These are packages in the *repository*. Is no-one >>>>> maintaining them? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The point of this rant is to give context to the following: thank you. >>>>> Really, thank you, to the folks behind Pharo and everyone reading this. >>>>> >>>>> This is the problem with FOSS: blink, and yesterday's rave technology is >>>>> gone. And Smalltalk is *important* -- I'm not a Smalltalk programmer, but >>>>> every time I play with it I learn so much about OOP, programming, and good >>>>> design of classes. And I keep coming back to try to work with it again, >>>>> because it offers things I want and just can't get elsewhere. The idea that >>>>> Smalltalk might one day just ... not run? Not worth thinking about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay, broke a cardinal rule here. Apologies for joining a mailing list >>>>> and then immediately posting a long rant. Going to Lurk Mode now! >>>>> >>>>> Shadow. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Look through time and find your rhyme / Tell us what you find / We will >>> wait at your gate / Hoping like the blind. >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] A Morphic ScrumBoard, part 4: Other planning boards

by Dimitris Chloupis

wow this is very cool, well done. Nice to see a face and hear a voice in a pharo tutorial :) Will give it a try. Would be nice if this combined with the pomodoro tool . On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 8:27 PM Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > Pharo is an excellent environment for building interactive applications. > In part 4 of this series, I take a look at a planning tool for time slot > based planning. This is not so common in software development, but is > used a lot in simple and complicated contexts. In the example, there are > 4 rooms that can be scheduled between 8:00 and 18:00 at a granularity of > 5 minutes. An element panel is added as a new kind of drag panel > containing prototypes of the tasks that can be planned. Here the > prototypes are no longer the squares from the earlier drag panels, their > height depends on the amount of time they take. When a task prototype is > dragged to the plan board, the responsible party can be selected using > spotter. > > https://vimeo.com/134547026 > > Stephan > >

July 26, 2015

A Morphic ScrumBoard, part 4: Other planning boards

by Stephan Eggermont

Pharo is an excellent environment for building interactive applications. In part 4 of this series, I take a look at a planning tool for time slot based planning. This is not so common in software development, but is used a lot in simple and complicated contexts. In the example, there are 4 rooms that can be scheduled between 8:00 and 18:00 at a granularity of 5 minutes. An element panel is added as a new kind of drag panel containing prototypes of the tasks that can be planned. Here the prototypes are no longer the squares from the earlier drag panels, their height depends on the amount of time they take. When a task prototype is dragged to the plan board, the responsible party can be selected using spotter. https://vimeo.com/134547026 Stephan

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Artifact

by olivier auverlot

Hi Hilaire, I just tried the stable version of Artefact in a Pharo 3.0 image. All demos are ok but I uses Mac OS X. Could you test with Acrobat Reader on Linux? The PDF reader (Evince ?) has a lack of functionalities and it's not a good thing to use it. Many PDF specifications are not or bad supported. The situation are the same that with browsers and the support of HTML. Only Acrobat Reader can be considered as validation tool. Best regards Olivier ;-) 2015-07-26 9:34 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > It looks like only the brochure example is broken because it block the > image. > > Hilaire > > Le 26/07/2015 15:29, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > And all tests are greem > > > > Le 26/07/2015 15:23, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > >> Hello, > >> > >> A few demo examples from Artifact does not work in a Pharo 3.0 > >> environment. An empty document or a document I can't open with standard > >> linux pdf viewer. > >> > >> I list them here: > >> > >> -datatableWithCaptions > >> -datatable > >> -paragraph > >> -mosaique > >> -arrow > >> -brochure > >> -horizontalLayout > >> > >> Hilaire > >> > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > http://google.com/+DrgeoEu > > > >

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Catalog Browser documentation

by stepharo

Le 26/7/15 12:01, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > I never touched it, so it has to be still there. > I think Versionner generates them, isn't? > In any case, there is an explanation in the catalog web page: catalog.pharo.org I do not know. May be it was just in my proto. > > Esteban > > > >> On 26 Jul 2015, at 10:50, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> There is no doc. >> >> Normally the template generated was self-explanatory but I do not know if esteban kept it. >> >> >> >> Le 26/7/15 00:33, Peter UhnÃ¡k a Ã©crit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> is there somewhere documentation for Catalog Browser? >>> >>> Specifically what everything it offers for configurations... >>> I've seen on class side methods #catalogKeywords, #catalogDescription but since I've haven't found docs (maybe Updated Pharo Book can have?) I don't know what else it offers. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >> >

July 26, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Linux Install -- problems, but eventually successful

by Shadowfirebird

If you read my original post, you'll see that I did, and it didn't work ;) On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I guess you did install the 32 bits packages as explained in here: > http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup > > sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get install ia32-libs > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Shadowfirebird <shadowfirebird(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Actually, no, because I assumed that there were broken dependancies in >> Crunchbang and it wouldn't help. Here goes... >> >> TL;DR: I just got tangled up in missing dependancies; I think this is >> a #! problem. Thanks for the idea, though. >> >> Long version: >> >> shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: ./pharo >> could not find module vm-display-X11 >> [1] 4875 abort ./pharo >> >> (134) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0]%: cd bin >> >> shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: ldd vm-display-X11 >> linux-gate.so.1 (0xf776e000) >> libpthread.so.0 => /lib32/libpthread.so.0 (0xf771d000) >> libGL.so.1 => not found >> libX11.so.6 => not found >> libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7572000) >> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf776f000) >> >> Well outside of my comfort zone here, but a quick web search suggests >> I might want libgl1-mesa-glx or libgl1-mesa-swx11? Looking at Synaptic >> I can see a libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386, so let's try that? >> >> (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get >> install libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686 >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-swx11:i386 (= >> 8.0.5-4+deb7u2) but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libc6:i386 (>= 2.3.6-6~) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libgcc1:i386 (>= 1:4.1.1) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libstdc++6:i386 (>= 4.1.1) >> but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libx11-6:i386 but it is >> not going to be installed >> Depends: libxext6:i386 but it is >> not going to be installed >> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. >> >> Okay. Hmm. Maybe apt-get is failing to chain-install these dependancies? >> Maybe? >> >> (100) shadow(a)jenna[~/shadow/scratch/pharo4.0/bin]%: sudo apt-get >> install libc6:i386 >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree >> Reading state information... Done >> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have >> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable >> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created >> or been moved out of Incoming. >> The following information may help to resolve the situation: >> >> The following packages have unmet dependencies: >> libc6 : Depends: libgcc1 but it is not going to be installed >> Breaks: libc6:i386 (!= 2.19-13) but 2.13-38+deb7u8 is to >> be installed >> libc6:i386 : Breaks: libc6 (!= 2.13-38+deb7u8) but 2.19-13 is to >> be installed >> libcairo2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.21.6) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libxcb-render0 but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: libxcb-shm0 but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be installed >> libcurl3-gnutls : Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: libgnutls26 (>= 2.12.17-0) but it is >> not going to be installed >> Depends: libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.10+dfsg~) but >> it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libidn11 (>= 1.13) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Depends: librtmp0 (>= 2.3) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libssh2-1 (>= 1.2.6) but it is not >> going to be installed >> Recommends: ca-certificates but it is not going >> to be installed >> libdbus-glib-1-2 : Depends: libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.2.16) but it is not >> going to be installed >> libglib2.0-0 : Depends: libffi5 (>= 3.0.4) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: libpcre3 (>= 8.10) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: libselinux1 (>= 1.32) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Recommends: shared-mime-info >> libimlib2 : Depends: libbz2-1.0 but it is not going to be installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) but it is not going to be >> installed >> Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libtiff4 (> 3.9.5-3~) but it is not going to >> be installed >> liblua5.1-0 : Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) but it is not going >> to be installed >> libruby1.8 : Depends: libgdbm3 (>= 1.8.3) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: libreadline5 (>= 5.2) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> libx11-6 : Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.2) but it is not going to be >> installed >> libxft2 : Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0) but it is not going >> to be installed >> Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5) but it is not going to >> be installed >> Depends: libxrender1 but it is not going to be installed >> libxml2 : Depends: liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614) but it is >> not going to be installed >> Recommends: xml-core but it is not going to be installed >> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may >> be caused by held packages. >> sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 19.22s user 0.12s system 99% cpu >> 19.356 total >> >> ...Ooof. Okay, giving up now. Thanks for the idea, though. >> >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck >> <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Did you try doing a "ldd" over the VM executable file so that you can >> > find >> > the missing dependencies? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Shadowfirebird >> > <shadowfirebird(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Same problem. I'm afraid -- Crunchbang refuses to install >> >> libasound2:i386 >> >> because it cannot fulfill the dependencies. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hello, >> >>> >> >>> Welcome to Pharo and the Pharo community. Smalltalk/Pharo are >> >>> exceptionally empowering tools. And getting better all the time. >> >>> >> >>> My apologies for your difficulties. I personally have not seen that >> >>> page >> >>> before as I already have scripts for installing all of the requisite >> >>> libraries. This script has worked for me for years on Ubuntu or other >> >>> Debian >> >>> based distros. My favorite was Crunchbang. >> >>> >> >>> I did not originate this script but believe I started with I found >> >>> years >> >>> ago for either Debian or Ubuntu. I cleaned it up and added to it over >> >>> time. >> >>> It installs all the necessary libraries to my knowledge. Whether or >> >>> not >> >>> installs more than I need I do not know. All I do know is that after >> >>> running >> >>> the script Pharo runs perfectly. >> >>> >> >>> I copied all of this from my setup-pharo.sh script. >> >>> I run this script anytime I have a fresh Linux install. >> >>> I then sudo -s and run the script. >> >>> >> >>> dpkg --add-architecture i386 >> >>> apt-get update >> >>> >> >>> apt-get --yes install cmake zip bash-completion ruby git xz-utils >> >>> debhelper devscripts >> >>> apt-get --yes install libc6-dev:i386 libasound2:i386 >> >>> libasound2-dev:i386 >> >>> libasound2-plugins:i386 >> >>> apt-get --yes install libssl-dev:i386 libssl1.0.0:i386 libssh2-1:i386 >> >>> libfreetype6-dev:i386 libx11-dev:i386 libsm-dev:i386 libice-dev:i386 >> >>> apt-get --yes install build-essential gcc-multilib g++ >> >>> apt-get --yes install libgl1-mesa-dev:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 >> >>> >> >>> Hopefully this can help your experience with Pharo and/or Squeak. >> >>> >> >>> Jimmie >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 07/25/2015 09:54 AM, Shadowfirebird wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi all, >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been having trouble getting *any* sort of Smalltalk working on >> >>>> Linux. But ultimately I got Pharo (my first choice) working on >> >>>> Debian >> >>>> Jessie. >> >>>> >> >>>> It wasn't terribly hard in the end, but since the instructions at >> >>>> http://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation#64-bit-System-Setup seem to >> >>>> be out >> >> >>>> of date, I thought it might be helpful to post something in case >> >>>> those in >> >>>> charge of that page would like to update. Since there is no issue >> >>>> tracker, >> >>>> I assume this is a good a place as any. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ## Short Version ## >> >>>> >> >>>> * sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 >> >>>> * sudo apt-get update >> >>>> * sudo apt-get install lib32zl lib32ncurses5 >> >>>> >> >>>> Note that there is no ia32-libs package on Jessie, as far as I can >> >>>> tell. >> >>>> (I have no idea whether you actually need to install lib32ncurses5, >> >>>> but >> >>>> those were what apt-get suggested, and it worked.) >> >>>> >> >>>> I do have a startup error -- "MessageNotUnderstood: >> >>>> EmbeddedFreeTypeFontInstaller>>failedToOpen:Index:" -- but it doesn't >> >>>> seem >> >>>> to break anything. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ## Longer version / Rant ## >> >>>> >> >>>> Pharo turned out to be impossible on my netbook (where I would like >> >>>> to >> >>>> use it, sadly) because it is still running Crunchbang, which is >> >>>> Debian Woody >> >>>> under the hood. So in theory the fix from the 64bit install page >> >>>> should >> >>>> work. It doesn't, though -- some sort of problem with #! I suppose >> >>>> >> >>>> "The following packages have unmet dependacies: >> >>>> ia32-libs: Depends: ia32-libs-i386" >> >>>> >> >>>> Squeak, as downloaded from their site, has exactly the same problem. >> >>>> >> >>>> Pharo isn't in the Debian Repository, but an old version of the >> >>>> Squeak >> >>>> VM -- *just* the VM -- is. (Not sure what the point of that is.) It >> >>>> doesn't work with the current Squeak image from the website. I did >> >>>> eventually manage to get a compatible image ... via FTP. Good grief. >> >>>> (Good >> >>>> enough to learn the ropes, I suppose.) >> >>>> >> >>>> I really didn't want to go the Gnu Smalltalk road, but in desperation >> >>>> I >> >>>> tried it. Under both Crunchbang and Debian Jessie, the gst-browser >> >>>> package >> >>>> falls over immediately when you start it, a great big error trace I >> >>>> won't >> >>>> bother to paste here. These are packages in the *repository*. Is >> >>>> no-one >> >>>> maintaining them? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The point of this rant is to give context to the following: thank >> >>>> you. >> >>>> Really, thank you, to the folks behind Pharo and everyone reading >> >>>> this. >> >>>> >> >>>> This is the problem with FOSS: blink, and yesterday's rave technology >> >>>> is >> >>>> gone. And Smalltalk is *important* -- I'm not a Smalltalk programmer, >> >>>> but >> >>>> every time I play with it I learn so much about OOP, programming, and >> >>>> good >> >>>> design of classes. And I keep coming back to try to work with it >> >>>> again, >> >>>> because it offers things I want and just can't get elsewhere. The >> >>>> idea that >> >>>> Smalltalk might one day just ... not run? Not worth thinking about. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Okay, broke a cardinal rule here. Apologies for joining a mailing >> >>>> list >> >>>> and then immediately posting a long rant. Going to Lurk Mode now! >> >>>> >> >>>> Shadow. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Look through time and find your rhyme / Tell us what you find / We will >> >> wait at your gate / Hoping like the blind. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mariano >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Look through time and find your rhyme / Tell us what you find / We >> will wait at your gate / Hoping like the blind. >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com -- Look through time and find your rhyme / Tell us what you find / We will wait at your gate / Hoping like the blind.

July 26, 2015