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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by H. Hirzel

On 8/29/15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > It seems to be fixed in Pharo5 already. Debugger comes up within less than a > second and is usable. Very welcome. I assume you mean 'Inspector' (not debugger) > > Marcus >> On 29 Aug 2015, at 11:57, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Andrei, >> >> Thanks for confirming the bug. >> >> Report is here >> >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16425/Pharo-4-0-Inspecting-a-recursive-da… >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 8/29/15, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Hannes, >>> >>> Can open a bug report? >>> I though most recursive problems were fixed in the new inspector. >>> Seems that there are still some related to printing recursive >>> structures. >>> >>> You can switch to the previous inspector (GTInspector >>> setGTInspectorEnabledStatus: false), >>> however, this bug seem to also kill that inspector. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andrei >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:16 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very >>>> slow in Pharo 4.0 >>>> >>>> A test case: >>>> >>>> | myDict | >>>> myDict := Dictionary new. >>>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >>>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >>>> myDict inspect >>>> >>>> It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image >>>> freezes later on if you continue. >>>> >>>> The problem is with the inspector because if I do >>>> | myDict | >>>> myDict := Dictionary new. >>>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >>>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >>>> 3 + 4 inspect >>>> >>>> it comes up instantly. >>>> >>>> >>>> As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes >>>> up instantly and the image does not have any problems. >>>> >>>> >>>> What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? >>>> >>>> - Setting a time out somewhere? >>>> - Disabling certain functions? >>>> - Loading a simpler inspector? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Hannes >>>> >>>> >>>> ** current build 2463.image >>>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev >>>> >>> >> > > >

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Becoming good at VM development

by Ben Coman

Join vm-dev mail list http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev Intro... http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html http://design.cs.iastate.edu/vmil/2011/papers/p03-miranda.pdf Not sure if these are too outdated... https://marcusdenker.de/talks/05ChileDCC/DCC01JITAndCo.pdf http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/papers/Haup07aPIC.pdf On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Christophe Demarey <Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi > > Le 28 aoÃ»t 2015 Ã 10:11, Ichiseki a Ã©crit : > >> Hi >> hello to everyone & everybody >> I am interesting in going deeply into VM design, development, optimization, >> etc. I know a lot of Haskell, a good amount of C and some languages that use >> VM like Python, Lua and Pharo of course. >> What would be a road map (books, articles, code to read) to understand >> deeply and in detail the Pharo VM, the inter operation between the VM and >> the image. I know this could take a lot of time but I'm committed to invest >> that time. >> Please help me as literature on these topics is very scarce... >> Thank SO SO much in advacne >> ichiro > > There are some nice blogs: > http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog/ > https://clementbera.wordpress.com/ (cog/spur/sista categories)

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by Andrei Chis

Was there an issue/fix for this in Pharo 5? It might be worth backporting to Pharo 4. On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > It seems to be fixed in Pharo5 already. Debugger comes up within less than > a second and is usable. > > Marcus > > On 29 Aug 2015, at 11:57, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Andrei, > > > > Thanks for confirming the bug. > > > > Report is here > > > > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16425/Pharo-4-0-Inspecting-a-recursive-da… > > > > --Hannes > > > > On 8/29/15, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Hannes, > >> > >> Can open a bug report? > >> I though most recursive problems were fixed in the new inspector. > >> Seems that there are still some related to printing recursive > structures. > >> > >> You can switch to the previous inspector (GTInspector > >> setGTInspectorEnabledStatus: false), > >> however, this bug seem to also kill that inspector. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Andrei > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:16 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very > >>> slow in Pharo 4.0 > >>> > >>> A test case: > >>> > >>> | myDict | > >>> myDict := Dictionary new. > >>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. > >>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. > >>> myDict inspect > >>> > >>> It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image > >>> freezes later on if you continue. > >>> > >>> The problem is with the inspector because if I do > >>> | myDict | > >>> myDict := Dictionary new. > >>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. > >>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. > >>> 3 + 4 inspect > >>> > >>> it comes up instantly. > >>> > >>> > >>> As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes > >>> up instantly and the image does not have any problems. > >>> > >>> > >>> What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? > >>> > >>> - Setting a time out somewhere? > >>> - Disabling certain functions? > >>> - Loading a simpler inspector? > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Hannes > >>> > >>> > >>> ** current build 2463.image > >>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev > >>> > >> > > > > >

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by Marcus Denker

It seems to be fixed in Pharo5 already. Debugger comes up within less than a second and is usable. Marcus > On 29 Aug 2015, at 11:57, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Andrei, > > Thanks for confirming the bug. > > Report is here > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16425/Pharo-4-0-Inspecting-a-recursive-da… > > --Hannes > > On 8/29/15, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Hannes, >> >> Can open a bug report? >> I though most recursive problems were fixed in the new inspector. >> Seems that there are still some related to printing recursive structures. >> >> You can switch to the previous inspector (GTInspector >> setGTInspectorEnabledStatus: false), >> however, this bug seem to also kill that inspector. >> >> Cheers, >> Andrei >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:16 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very >>> slow in Pharo 4.0 >>> >>> A test case: >>> >>> | myDict | >>> myDict := Dictionary new. >>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >>> myDict inspect >>> >>> It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image >>> freezes later on if you continue. >>> >>> The problem is with the inspector because if I do >>> | myDict | >>> myDict := Dictionary new. >>> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >>> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >>> 3 + 4 inspect >>> >>> it comes up instantly. >>> >>> >>> As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes >>> up instantly and the image does not have any problems. >>> >>> >>> What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? >>> >>> - Setting a time out somewhere? >>> - Disabling certain functions? >>> - Loading a simpler inspector? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Hannes >>> >>> >>> ** current build 2463.image >>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev >>> >> >

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by H. Hirzel

Andrei, Thanks for confirming the bug. Report is here https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16425/Pharo-4-0-Inspecting-a-recursive-da… --Hannes On 8/29/15, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Hannes, > > Can open a bug report? > I though most recursive problems were fixed in the new inspector. > Seems that there are still some related to printing recursive structures. > > You can switch to the previous inspector (GTInspector > setGTInspectorEnabledStatus: false), > however, this bug seem to also kill that inspector. > > Cheers, > Andrei > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:16 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very >> slow in Pharo 4.0 >> >> A test case: >> >> | myDict | >> myDict := Dictionary new. >> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >> myDict inspect >> >> It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image >> freezes later on if you continue. >> >> The problem is with the inspector because if I do >> | myDict | >> myDict := Dictionary new. >> myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. >> myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. >> 3 + 4 inspect >> >> it comes up instantly. >> >> >> As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes >> up instantly and the image does not have any problems. >> >> >> What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? >> >> - Setting a time out somewhere? >> - Disabling certain functions? >> - Loading a simpler inspector? >> >> Regards >> >> Hannes >> >> >> ** current build 2463.image >> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev >> >

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by Andrei Chis

Hi Hannes, Can open a bug report? I though most recursive problems were fixed in the new inspector. Seems that there are still some related to printing recursive structures. You can switch to the previous inspector (GTInspector setGTInspectorEnabledStatus: false), however, this bug seem to also kill that inspector. Cheers, Andrei On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:16 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very > slow in Pharo 4.0 > > A test case: > > | myDict | > myDict := Dictionary new. > myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. > myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. > myDict inspect > > It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image > freezes later on if you continue. > > The problem is with the inspector because if I do > | myDict | > myDict := Dictionary new. > myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. > myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. > 3 + 4 inspect > > it comes up instantly. > > > As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes > up instantly and the image does not have any problems. > > > What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? > > - Setting a time out somewhere? > - Disabling certain functions? > - Loading a simpler inspector? > > Regards > > Hannes > > > ** current build 2463.image > https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev >

Aug. 29, 2015

Pharo 4.0 -- Inspecting a recursive data structure is slow

by H. Hirzel

Hello I have realized that inspecting a recursive data structure is very slow in Pharo 4.0 A test case: | myDict | myDict := Dictionary new. myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. myDict inspect It takes a long time for the inspector to come up. And the image freezes later on if you continue. The problem is with the inspector because if I do | myDict | myDict := Dictionary new. myDict at: #hello put: 'hello'. myDict at: #recurHello put: myDict. 3 + 4 inspect it comes up instantly. As a comparison I attach the Cuis ** test result. The inspector comes up instantly and the image does not have any problems. What are the workarounds in Pharo 4.0? - Setting a time out somewhere? - Disabling certain functions? - Loading a simpler inspector? Regards Hannes ** current build 2463.image https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Becoming good at VM development

by Christian Caldeiro

Hi Ichiro, there are a bunch of posts in Mariano Martinez Peck's blog named "journey through the VM", done some years ago. He writes about anything related to the VM, how to build it, class format, bytecodes, detailed description of the CompiledMethod class, etc. You can find the first post here: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/journey-through-the-vm/ Definitely worth reading! Cheers Christian On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Ichiseki <is076(a)outlook.com> wrote: > I've already read those blogs. There are lots of useful information - it > seems - but what I want is a head start, something that starts from zero > but > for someone who has programming knowledge. > I will definitely read the blue book. That goes first! > Any more sources, indications? > TYVM > > ichiro > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Becoming-good-at-VM-development-tp4846536p4846648.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Aug. 29, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] SixxExamples class >> example 4 . Preferences in Pharo 4.0

by stepharo

STON is the way to go to save preferences. But I do not have free cycles. Stef Le 28/8/15 11:55, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : > > > 2015-08-28 11:49 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>>: > > Yes, we need re-thing and improve Preference modelling and storage. > > > I very strongly agree... Anything which prevents failure on > non-present class, or settings selector change, gets my vote. > > Thierry > > > > > > On 28 Aug 2015, at 11:39, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > > > Preferences does not exist as a class. > > > > You could use STON. > > > >> On 28 Aug 2015, at 10:31, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> P.S. And BTW besides SIXX what options do I have to transfer > >> preferences from one Pharo 4.0 image to another? > >> > >> On 8/28/15, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> How would I write the following SIXX example in Pharo 4.0? > >>> > >>> example4 > >>> "SixxExamples example4" > >>> "Save and load Preferences data" > >>> > >>> | preferences | > >>> preferences := Preferences allPreferenceObjects sixxString. > >>> preferences := Object readSixxFrom: preferences. > >>> ^preferences inspect. > >>> > >>> > >>> Preferences is marked red. > >>> > >>> Kind regards > >>> Hannes > >>> > >> > > > > > > >

Aug. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Becoming good at VM development

by Ichiseki

I've already read those blogs. There are lots of useful information - it seems - but what I want is a head start, something that starts from zero but for someone who has programming knowledge. I will definitely read the blue book. That goes first! Any more sources, indications? TYVM ichiro -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Becoming-good-at-VM-development-tp4846536p4846648.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 28, 2015