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Re: [Pharo-users] crashed image ?

by Marcus Denker

> On 20 Oct 2015, at 12:59, Jean Baptiste Arnaud <jbaptiste.arnaud(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 20 Oct 2015, at 05:03, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com <mailto:nicolaihess@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-10-20 7:27 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>>: >> >> > On 20 Oct 2015, at 00:26, Jean Baptiste Arnaud <jbaptiste.arnaud(a)gmail.com <mailto:jbaptiste.arnaud@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, maybe a useful question :-) >> > >> > I crashed a image :-) >> > And I ask myself: >> > - There are a more advance (thinking bout maybe epicea) change browser ? Because a list of 1293801283 changes and just 1 options select all (which is broken you should use shortcut) will not really helpmeet >> >> We are in the process of integrating it. We tried saturday night, but the resulting update did not finish running all tests and we had to revert. > Can I have a link to the source ? > the issue tracker entry is https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14605/Integrate-Epicea Marcus

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] crashed image ?

by Jean Baptiste Arnaud

> On 20 Oct 2015, at 05:03, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2015-10-20 7:27 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>>: > > > On 20 Oct 2015, at 00:26, Jean Baptiste Arnaud <jbaptiste.arnaud(a)gmail.com <mailto:jbaptiste.arnaud@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hi, maybe a useful question :-) > > > > I crashed a image :-) > > And I ask myself: > > - There are a more advance (thinking bout maybe epicea) change browser ? Because a list of 1293801283 changes and just 1 options select all (which is broken you should use shortcut) will not really helpmeet > > We are in the process of integrating it. We tried saturday night, but the resulting update did not finish running all tests and we had to revert. Can I have a link to the source ? > > > - Oz is usable on 5.0 image ? That can be the more efficient solution. Just want to stop some process. I exactly know what trigger the crash. And the "Igor hex tricksâ will not work here. > > Export my code. > > - why cannot drag a .change on another image anymore ? bug or choice ? > > > Bug. The registration mechanism was changed (and unified) to use pragmas. Normally all where ported over, but this seems to be missing. > > and now with a bug entry: > 16819 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16819/dropping-a-changes-file-on-the-worl…> dropping a ".changes" file on the world does not open changes browser > > > > > > Marcus > > > Best Regards JB jbaptiste.arnaud(a)gmail.com

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

by Thierry Goubier

2015-10-20 12:17 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > >> Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : >> > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ? >> > >> > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same >> > approach as GitFileTree ? >> > >> > Thierry >> >> Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3? >> > > Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one. > Ok. The Pharo4 / Pharo5 versions have a better refactored interface for the external git commands, which may make it a bit easier to read. The Pharo3 version is functional, still. I will have a look to backport those changes to the Pharo3 branch. Thierry > > Thierry > > >> >> Hilaire >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> http://google.com/+DrgeoEu >> >> >> >> >

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

by Thierry Goubier

2015-10-20 12:13 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : > > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ? > > > > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same > > approach as GitFileTree ? > > > > Thierry > > Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3? > Hum, let me check what is the condition of this one. Thierry > > Hilaire > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > http://google.com/+DrgeoEu > > > >

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

by Hilaire

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ? > > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same > approach as GitFileTree ? > > Thierry Which version of GitFileTree should I take for Pharo3? Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

by Hilaire

Le 20/10/2015 11:20, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ? I don't know much git, but I guess it will the same > > Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same > approach as GitFileTree ? I will take a look, adapting should be quite simple I guess. Hilaire > > Thierry -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

by Thierry Goubier

2015-10-20 11:09 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi, > > I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by the > mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks. > Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It is > very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite database. It > comes with source code management, bug tracker, web interface, wiki and > timeline tools. > > I was a bit afraid by the filetree atomic commit (one file per method) > to manage it without much headache with file based VCS. However fossil > comes with a nice command: 'fossil addremove' to add/remove the changed > files in the repo. So it went fine. > > So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private souce > code management system with very little requirement. > So it looks very similar to a filetree + git workflow ? Any taker on adding a fossil interface to filetree with the same approach as GitFileTree ? Thierry > > Hilaire > > [1] http://www.fossil-scm.org > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > http://google.com/+DrgeoEu > > > >

Oct. 20, 2015

Fossil and Filetree

by Hilaire

Hi, I have been trying Fossil with Filetree, and I was rather please by the mutuals use of these tools. So I may share a few feedbacks. Fossil[1] itself is a software to manage source code development. It is very simple to install and data is saved in a single sqlite database. It comes with source code management, bug tracker, web interface, wiki and timeline tools. I was a bit afraid by the filetree atomic commit (one file per method) to manage it without much headache with file based VCS. However fossil comes with a nice command: 'fossil addremove' to add/remove the changed files in the repo. So it went fine. So all in all, it is pretty nice if one want to move to a private souce code management system with very little requirement. Hilaire [1] http://www.fossil-scm.org -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] crashed image ?

by Nicolai Hess

2015-10-20 7:27 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > > On 20 Oct 2015, at 00:26, Jean Baptiste Arnaud < > jbaptiste.arnaud(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, maybe a useful question :-) > > > > I crashed a image :-) > > And I ask myself: > > - There are a more advance (thinking bout maybe epicea) change > browser ? Because a list of 1293801283 changes and just 1 options select > all (which is broken you should use shortcut) will not really helpmeet > > We are in the process of integrating it. We tried saturday night, but the > resulting update did not finish running all tests and we had to revert. > > > - Oz is usable on 5.0 image ? That can be the more efficient > solution. Just want to stop some process. I exactly know what trigger the > crash. And the "Igor hex tricksâ will not work here. > > Export my code. > > - why cannot drag a .change on another image anymore ? bug or > choice ? > > > Bug. The registration mechanism was changed (and unified) to use pragmas. > Normally all where ported over, but this seems to be missing. > and now with a bug entry: 16819 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16819/dropping-a-changes-file-on-the-worl…> dropping a ".changes" file on the world does not open changes browser > > Marcus > > >

Oct. 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Question when reading UPBE

by Dimitris Chloupis

Let me make this clear, I dont believe in stupid questions. Your first language , like me, is not English and so you have harder time to understand documentation. Coding nowdays is as much about learning English than is about learning how to code since its by far the most popular language that coders around the world use to communicate. So take it step by step and you will be fine. No next time you dont understand anything you come here and ask question. Ask a thousand questions, we love questions :) Do not suffer alone ! Now about your questions yes you understand correctly >> means "belongs to". Unfortunately there is a confusing part on the browser , the class button. The class button switches between something called instance side and class side. However this is confusing for newcomers like I was. What really happens is that it switches between the class object itself (instance side) and the metaclass object (class side). Metaclass is basically the class of a class. To make it clear if we accept here that a Class is a blueprint / factory for our instances , a metaclass is a blueprint/factory for a class. The diffirence if that you can have several instances from the same class but there is only one metaclass for a class. This happens for example when you issue the command in the Playground. LOGame new. The above command creates an instance object using the class object as a blueprint. But you can have one metaclass of a class , and this is why they share the same name and they appear to be each side of the same coin. Usually >> refers to the class itself and not the metaclass. No you dont need to type this as you can see. The diffirence is that if the method is in the metaclass (class side) you dont need to create an isntance fo. Lets take the example where cellsPerSide is a class method a = LOGame new a cellsPerSide we create a variable that hold the instance object created with LOGame class object and then we send the cellsPerSide message however what happens if the cellsPerSide is in the metaclass ? then we have this LOGame cellsPerSide as you can see no need to create instance here since its now a metaclass method. Usually you need a metaclass method when you dont need to operate on specific set of data and instance method when you do. Of course a metaclass method can still have arguments and receive data so this is far form clear rule. The real power of metaclass is that they can do metaprogramming, what that means is that they can shape and change classes from inside your code which makes them very powerful. You have also metaclass of a metaclass . As a matter of fact a metaclass is an instance of another metaclass. But you dont need to worry about this for now, keep it simple. On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:21 AM å°æ©æ© <zhushuai19890918(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You mean that I should type them in the pane of the method I want to > define, am I right? > then, which one should I type "LOGame>>cellsPerSide" or "cellsPerSide"? > Maybe this syntax --">>" just indicates that this method should belong to > this class. but as reader, I don't need to type all, do I ? > My English is poor and When I reader it a little faster, I will be > confused. Next time , if I encounter some sentences I don't understand, I > will read other sentences around them again. > Thx you all to spare time for my stupid questions :) > > 2015-10-20 2:02 GMT+08:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> have your read the Pharo Tour chapter ? >> >> please read the entire book from start to finish , DO NOT skip chapters >> this is a complete tutorial on Pharo that depends on previous chapters for >> continuation of knowledge. If you dont understand previous chapters you >> wont understand this. >> >> >> Your question is explained at Page 16, chapter: A quick tour of Pharo >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 6:50 PM å°æ©æ© <zhushuai19890918(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm a newcomer in Pharo and start to learn how to use Pharo. >>> In page 42 of UPBE(Vesion:2015-10-17 ), I don't know where I write >>> the constant methods and UPBE didn't tell me in which pane to type them. >>> Could you tell me ? >>> >>> Andy Zhu >>> >> >

Oct. 20, 2015

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