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Re: [Pharo-users] Fuel Slow?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > I'm serializing about 20MB of data with Fuel and it takes about 45 seconds. > Is that normal? No, it's not. > Can anything be done to speed things up? > > Can I reproduce it? If true, tell me exactly how (if you give me the image and tell me which VM you used, even better). Which stream are using? Did you profile it? > Thanks! > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Fuel-Slow-tp4866161.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Dec. 8, 2015

Fuel Slow?

by Sean P. DeNigris

I'm serializing about 20MB of data with Fuel and it takes about 45 seconds. Is that normal? Can anything be done to speed things up? Thanks! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fuel-Slow-tp4866161.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by phil＠highoctane.be

Whoever works with Hadoop tech would find names like: Hadoop Spark Cassandra HBase Accumulo Hive Pig Impala Oozie YARN Kafka Flume Sqoop ... Go datascience and you'll get: R Shiny Jupyter Pandas Bokeh D3 And in JS: Node Angular Express descriptive names? Not at all. What matters is not the name, it is its description. And, know what, put a generic name and it will be ungooglable. Try with Visual Studio Code ... Pfah, descriptive project names... As if these were descriptive: Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS (Precise Pangolin) Oh yeah super descriptive names: Oracle Communications Diameter Signaling Router Have a clue? Enjoy, they have a bunch and renamed a few: https://www.oracle.com/products/oracle-a-z.html Want to know? Pay the dues. Phil On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, > rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to > inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third > possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? > ;-) > > I've used that language! > > On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote: > >> The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like >> these is "Meno's Paradox" >> >> On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <euanmee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed >>> to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to >>> [small]talk. >>> >>> I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and >>> "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful >>> >>> These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. >>> >>> Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project >>> name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. >>> >>> >>> On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sigh. >>>> >>>> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I >>>> went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are >>>> thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description >>>> entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've >>>> just taken a giant step in the right direction. But if you hope to make >>>> something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for >>>> "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities. >>>> >>>> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, do >>>> a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >>>> >>>> -Todd Blanchard >>>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work >>>>>> to >>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just >>>>>>>>>> port >>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>>>> this). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> > > >

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

Well, it seems I've more to say though I wouldn't want to test your patience . If folks have NO idea what they want, then Meno's Paradox would apply. People tend to have a descriptive ability, or a gut feeling at the least. "It kinda needs to be a camera that like hovers to longer observation times can be maintained" enter the quadcopter. So I thought to addd the third possibility, which is partial descriptive knowledge, communal connectivity, expert availability/receptivity, and descriptive inquiry. Best, Robert On 12/08/2015 04:20 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by > description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who > don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. > So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you > know Kevin Bacon? ;-) > > I've used that language! > > On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote: >> The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like >> these is "Meno's Paradox" >> >> On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <euanmee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - >>> Todd >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed >>> to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to >>> [small]talk. >>> >>> I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and >>> "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful >>> >>> These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. >>> >>> Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project >>> name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. >>> >>> >>> On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> Sigh. >>>> >>>> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I >>>> went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found >>>> are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no >>>> description entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever >>>> uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right >>>> direction. But if you hope to make something lots of people >>>> benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they >>>> want crypto capabilities. >>>> >>>> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, >>>> do a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >>>> >>>> -Todd Blanchard >>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>>>> work to >>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other >>>>>>>>> attribute of a >>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the >>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching >>>>>>>>> on: >>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, >>>>>>> since I >>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>>> absolute >>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete >>>>>>> once a >>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I >>>>>>> didn't do >>>>>>> this). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its >>>>>>> quick and >>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] When a metaclass is initialised by the system ?

by Thierry Goubier

Le 08/12/2015 16:53, Christophe Demarey a Ã©crit : > yes, we miss a package initialize method ... FileTree, GitFileTree and probably Monticello have support for a package initialize method. Now, when I was doing my browser, I wondered about giving access to such code... turns out nobody uses it. Thierry > > Le 8 dÃ©c. 2015 Ã 16:35, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > >> Dimitris, >> >> Relying in class side initialize is not very cool. Mostly, because >> it's hard to know EXACTLY when Monticello will send it. For sure it's >> the first time you load that class. But then it could be if such >> method changes again. But maybe too if you clear some Monticello caches... >> Also, you may have dependencies (of order execution) with other class >> side initialize. So...another approaches you can take (depending on >> your needs) is lazy class var getters with ifNil: or if you have a >> ConfigurationOfYourApp, you can define #postLoadDoIts in which you can >> perform the whole initialization of your app. Or ...from the >> #postLoadDoIts simply delegate to a class MyAppInitialize. >> >> I do a bit of all of them hahaha. >> >> Cheers, >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Dimitris Chloupis >> <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> ok that means I cannot rely on it and I will have to initialize >> my class variables in specific methods. No problem, ifNil here I >> come :) >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:24 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe >> <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: >> >> Hi Dimitris, >> >> > On 07 Dec 2015, at 23:12, Dimitris Chloupis >> <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > I have read that a metaclass (class side of the class) is >> initialised when its loaded to the image by monticello, Are >> there any other cases when the initialize method of the the >> metaclass is being called ? >> >> Correct: a class #initialize is called when its code is >> loaded, but only if it is not yet present or different in >> source code from what is already present (this last point will >> bite you one day ;-). >> >> Else, the #initialize should be called manually (for example >> to reload some caches, or reset some system state). This >> sometimes happens in #postLoads or install scripts. >> >> I am not aware of any automatic invocations. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com <http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/> >

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

On 12/08/2015 04:20 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by > description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who > don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. > So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you > know Kevin Bacon? ;-) > > I've used that language! Well, no, I haven't, but there is high affinity. > > On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote: >> The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like >> these is "Meno's Paradox" >> >> On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <euanmee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - >>> Todd >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed >>> to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to >>> [small]talk. >>> >>> I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and >>> "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful >>> >>> These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. >>> >>> Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project >>> name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. >>> >>> >>> On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: >>>> Sigh. >>>> >>>> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I >>>> went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found >>>> are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no >>>> description entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever >>>> uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right >>>> direction. But if you hope to make something lots of people >>>> benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they >>>> want crypto capabilities. >>>> >>>> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, >>>> do a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >>>> >>>> -Todd Blanchard >>>> >>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>>>> work to >>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other >>>>>>>>> attribute of a >>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the >>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching >>>>>>>>> on: >>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, >>>>>>> since I >>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>>> absolute >>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete >>>>>>> once a >>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I >>>>>>> didn't do >>>>>>> this). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its >>>>>>> quick and >>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal: Multiple Nesting

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Leonel, Currently, a roassal element is not composed. So, this means you need to all the elements to the view, and then define the nesting. >From your script, you do not gain much by directly talking to Roassal. You should better use a builder, such as Mondrian. I think your script can be: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= packages := { 'Roassal2GT' . 'Trachel' } collect: [ :name | RPackageOrganizer default packageNamed: name ]. b := RTMondrian new. b nodes: packages forEach: [ :pak | b nodes: pak classes forEach: [ :cls | b nodes: cls methods. b layout grid ]. b layout grid ]. b -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Here is a version of what you try to do using plain Roassal: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Packages to visualize" packages := { 'Roassal2GT' . 'Trachel' } collect: [ :name | RPackageOrganizer default packageNamed: name ]. palette := RTPalette c10. v := RTView new. packagesElements := (RTBox new color: palette first) elementsOn: packages. v addAll: packagesElements. packagesElements @ RTPopup. packagesElements do: [ :pakEl | clsElements := (RTBox new color: palette second) elementsOn: pakEl model classes. v addAll: clsElements. clsElements do: [ :clsEl | mtdElements := (RTBox new color: palette third) elementsOn: clsEl model methods. v addAll: mtdElements. mtdElements @ RTPopup. RTGridLayout on: mtdElements. RTNest new on: clsEl nest: mtdElements. ]. RTGridLayout on: clsElements. RTNest new on: pakEl nest: clsElements. clsElements @ RTPopup. ]. RTGridLayout on: packagesElements. v -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= With the colors: Cheers, Alexandre > On Dec 8, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Leonel Merino <merino(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I want to visualise three nested levels of a model. I am not sure if I am doing it right, since I had to add a reference to the view to the nested elements manually to make it work. The problem I face now is that elements in the deepest level do not react to interactions. In the example below, popup is only shown for the elements in the first two levels. > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > v := RTView new. > es := (RTBox new > color: Color white; > borderColor: Color lightGray) > elementsOn: (Array with: RTLayout with: RTShape with: RTBuilder). > v addAll: es. > es @ RTPopup. > RTNest new > for: es > add: > [ :group :model | > elements := (RTBox new color: (Color red alpha: 0.1)) elementsOn: model withAllSubclasses. > group addAll: elements. > elements @ RTPopup. > elements do: [ :e | e view: v ]. > RTNest new > for: elements > add: > [ :group2 :model2 | > els := (RTBox new color: Color blue) elementsOn: model2 methods. > group2 addAll: els. > els @ RTPopup. > RTTreeLayout on: els edges: edges ]. > RTGridLayout on: elements ]. > RTGridLayout on: es. > v > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Any hint would be much appreciated. > > Best regards, > Leonel -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

I would need to disagree with you as inquiry is possible by description, rather than by name, through conversation with those who don't have to inquire, due to their knowledge [see Meno's Paradox...]. So, a third possibility exists through communal association. Do you know Kevin Bacon? ;-) I've used that language! On 12/08/2015 04:02 PM, EuanM wrote: > The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like > these is "Meno's Paradox" > > On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <euanmee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd >> >> I agree. >> >> I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed >> to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to >> [small]talk. >> >> I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and >> "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful >> >> These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. >> >> Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project >> name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. >> >> >> On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> Sigh. >>> >>> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right direction. But if you hope to make something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities. >>> >>> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, do a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >>> >>> -Todd Blanchard >>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to >>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>> >>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port >>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... >>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, >>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the >>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project >>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search results. >>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a >>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are >>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required >>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>>> this). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>> >>>

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by EuanM

The philosophical issue behind the disutility of project names like these is "Meno's Paradox" On 8 December 2015 at 21:01, EuanM <euanmee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd > > I agree. > > I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed > to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to > [small]talk. > > I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and > "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful > > These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. > > Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project > name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. > > > On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: >> Sigh. >> >> I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right direction. But if you hope to make something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities. >> >> Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, do a lousy job of making our code easy to find. >> >> -Todd Blanchard >> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to >>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>> >>>> thanks,Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the >>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port >>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... >>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, >>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the >>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project >>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search results. >>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a >>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are >>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required >>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it >>>>>> may >>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>> >>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>> this). >>>>> >>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>> >>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>> >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>

Dec. 8, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by EuanM

"I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects" - Todd I agree. I went looking for the current state of dbxtalk recently. It seemed to ba apackage designed for my needs - to X[-over] from a DB to [small]talk. I went there and the the page started talking about "Glorp" and "Garage". Neither are mnemonic or meaningful These projects are just the tip of the iceberg. Pharo project names have publisher-only project names. The project name equivalent of write-only computer languages, like Brain-F**k. On 7 December 2015 at 17:52, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> wrote: > Sigh. > > I wish people would choose descriptive names for their projects. I went looking on Smalltalkhub for some capability and what I found are thousands of packages with names that mean nothing and no description entered either. If you want to make sure nobody ever uses your code you've just taken a giant step in the right direction. But if you hope to make something lots of people benefit from - nobody is going to look for "mushroom" when they want crypto capabilities. > > Sorry, this has been really bugging me lately. We, as a community, do a lousy job of making our code easy to find. > > -Todd Blanchard > >> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:38, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >> >> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >> cheers -ben >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to >>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>> >>> thanks,Robert >>> >>> >>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port >>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ... >>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>> >>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, >>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the >>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project >>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search results. >>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a >>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. Here are >>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required >>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>> >>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though it >>>>> may >>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>> >>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>> this). >>>> >>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>> >>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

Dec. 8, 2015