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Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by Stephan Eggermont

On 12-12-15 02:53, EuanM wrote: > It's especially important to strategically, it is vital to get Smalltalk/Pharo > to tap into the Java ecosystem if Java itself gets deprecated by Oracle. > > Everyone who has a lot of enterprise Java code will need something > that works on the JVM and will easily interoperate with Java > libraries. No, it is not important strategically. http://blog.gardeviance.org/2013/01/the-importance-of-maps.html http://blog.gardeviance.org/2015/02/an-introduction-to-wardley-value-chain.… Stephan

Dec. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by horrido

At Redmonk <http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2015/07/01/language-rankings-6-15/> , Scala is a top 20 language (position #14). It's a widely used language, too, though not in the same league as Java nor Python. Even Clojure and Groovy are in the top 20. Scala is much, much more popular and widely used than Smalltalk. If Smalltalk could rise to Scala's level, it would be a huge win. The reason Amber and Redline and others have never achieved popularity is primarily due to the lack of proper marketing. There are a gazillion programming languages out there vying for developer attention. Smalltalk is completely lost in the noise. It's a great platform, but if it doesn't have developer /mindshare/, people won't try it. How do you think they'll find their way to Smalltalk/Pharo? By divination? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/PharoJVM-tp4866633p4866722.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by Dimitris Chloupis

Of course the one thing that you fail to mention is that no JVM based languages (including Scala) can be called a popular language since they dont even make the top 20. I have personal experience with Python , Jpython is a port to JVM and not only that JPython is special in a way that not only can use any Java library out of the box but also has support for CPython libraries (which by very far the most popular python implementation out there) and still its barely alive. The irony is that in the end people that are mostly interested about JVM or JS are JS and JAVA coders mainly. Coders from other language tend to stick with their own language mainly because both Java and Javascript though both incredible big platforms they are both a huge mess. Redline was a good effort that now looks like abandonware. Amber is barely active. Those are common patterns for pretty much any language that decides to embrace JVM or JS as platforms. And you can use java libraries from Pharo via JNIPort http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~JNIPort/JNIPort https://sites.google.com/site/jniport/project-definition I wanted to use python libraries from pharo , I did not go to implement pharo or port pharo to Cpython, all I did was to create a communication bridge via sockets and I did that in less that 100 lines of python code. Its easy , fast and simple. Nothing stops anyone from interfacing pharo with any popular platform or other language. The fact that people prefer to stick with pharo frameworks and libraries sends a clear message. *Invest in Pharo , this is what our community is focused on. * On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:36 PM Richard Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > According to TIOBE, which is hardly a reliable metric, this month Java and > Python are enjoying a massive upswing in popularity. In fact, TIOBE will > most likely name Java *Programming Language of the Year* for 2015. (Both > languages have been on an upward trajectory all year.) > > It's not hard to understand why Java's popularity is improving. Android > programming is becoming more important, as the platform has begun to exceed > iOS in terms of user experience with the advent of Lollipop and > Marshmallow. Then there's the rise of the "Internet of Things," where Java > seems to be well-suited. > > (I'm not sure what explains Python's bump in popularity, though. Maybe > there's an increasing appetite for languages that are easy to learn. A > clean, simple syntax is very, very important!) > > I think, more than ever, we need to have Smalltalk on the JVM. Java cannot > be allowed to hog the limelight of IT. I was pinning my hopes on Redline, > but I'm not sanguine about its future progress. > > Rather than waste time with PharoJS, wouldn't it be more prudent to focus > on putting Pharo on the JVM? >

Dec. 12, 2015

[JOB] Pharo Engineer, IoT

by Marcus Denker

Engineer Position 1 Year =================== INRIA RMoD and the Pharo Consortium are looking for a full-time engineer for helping with developing Pharo. The focus of this job is "Pharo on embedded and mobile devices for the internet of things". - Embedded Pharo on ARM The currently available class of ARM devices (BeagleBone, Raspberry PI) are a very interesting platform for Pharo. The engineer should strengthen the existing efforts to get Pharo working on these platforms. - Pharo on Android Improve the support of Android devices. With Pharo6, we will migrate to a complete new design and implementation of UI, Windowing and graphics. The engineer will work on making these features available on Android devices. - Pharo itself The engineer is expected to be actively involved in helping to improve the infrastructure that the Pharo community used (CI server for continues integration, interplay with issue tracking) and to actively help with day-to-day bug fixing. We are looking for a candidate with some prior experience with Pharo - Knowledge in Dynamic Languages - Experience with mobile development is a plus - English Work in a research lab, but no paper writing, no teaching, no administration. In addition: - centrally located (one hour from Paris, 1h20 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beer (our office is just 10km from the border to Belgium) - Program with Pharo all day! Lille is an active city but not expensive (lot of students...), centrally located with good connections by train to everywhere (including CDG and Brussels airports). Duration: 12 month Starting date: as soon as possible (Spring 2016) Salary: 2600-3200 euros brut / month, depending on experience Location: Lille (no remote job possible) More about Pharo: http://www.pharo.org INRIA RMOD: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr INRIA Lille: http://www.inria.fr/lille/ INRIA in General: http://www.inria.fr Lille: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille http://wikitravel.org/en/Lille Do not hesitate to contact us for more information.

Dec. 12, 2015

[JOB] Pharo Engineer, Infrastructure

by Marcus Denker

Engineer Position 1 year + 1 year ================================== INRIA RMoD and the Pharo Consortium are looking for a full-time engineer for helping with developing Pharo and the infrastructure around it. The focus of this job is the infrastructure that Pharo provides to external projects as well as the infrastructure we use to develop Pharo itself. - Infrastructure for external projects Pharo is used in many contexts: an ever growing number of frameworks are contributed by the community. Pharo already provides CI infrastructure, but what is missing is the automatic check of collections of frameworks and libraries. We want to provides validated "distributions" focussing on certain tasks, for example Pharo for Web development. - Pharo and Git Pharo has some support for using Git. The goal is to improve the support of git and other versioning systems. - Pharo itself The engineer is expected to be actively involved in helping to improve the infrastructure that the Pharo community uses (CI server for continues integration, interplay with issue tracking) and to actively help with day-to-day bug fixing. We are looking for a candidate with prior experience with Pharo and possibly some background in continuous integration: - Knowledge in Dynamic Languages - Continuous integration and deployment - English Work in a research lab, but no paper writing, no teaching, no administration. In addition: - Centrally located (one hour from Paris, 1h20 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - Try a lot of good beer (our office is just 10km from the border to Belgium) - Program with Pharo all day! Lille is an active city but not expensive (lot of students...), centrally located with good connections by train to everywhere (including CDG and Brussels airports). Duration: 12 + 12 months Starting date: Feb or March 2016 Salary: 2600-3200 euros brut / month, depending on experience Location: Lille (no remote job possible) More about Pharo: http://www.pharo.org INRIA RMOD: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr INRIA Lille: http://www.inria.fr/lille/ INRIA in General: http://www.inria.fr Lille: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lille http://wikitravel.org/en/Lille Do not hesitate to contact us for more information.

Dec. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by EuanM

It's especially important to strategically, it is vital to get Smalltalk/Pharo to tap into the Java ecosystem if Java itself gets deprecated by Oracle. Everyone who has a lot of enterprise Java code will need something that works on the JVM and will easily interoperate with Java libraries. On 12 December 2015 at 00:03, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, Java is a crummy language. Nevertheless, it has traction not only in the > Android space, but also in the enterprise space. Just look at IBM (where my > brother worked on Java enterprise shit). However, Java is not the most > important thing here. It's the Java library ecosystem. That's what everybody > is after. And that's why, strategically, it is vital to get Smalltalk/Pharo > to tap into that ecosystem. > > Java may not be the only way to write for Android, but it is, by far, the > most popular. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/PharoJVM-tp4866633p4866682.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by horrido

Yes, Java is a crummy language. Nevertheless, it has traction not only in the Android space, but also in the enterprise space. Just look at IBM (where my brother worked on Java enterprise shit). However, Java is not the most important thing here. It's the Java library ecosystem. That's what everybody is after. And that's why, strategically, it is vital to get Smalltalk/Pharo to tap into that ecosystem. Java may not be the only way to write for Android, but it is, by far, the most popular. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/PharoJVM-tp4866633p4866682.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 12, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] seeking your tutorials

by Stephan Eggermont

https://github.com/StephanEggermont/MorphicDraw Stephan

Dec. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJVM

by Todd Blanchard

What does "on the JVM" mean? Java itself is a crummy cargo cult of a language. The only reason it has traction is for building mobile phone apps. Specifically android. Java isn't the only way to build a mobile phone app on android though. It is perfectly possible to build android applications using other tools. You can even build them using HyperCard thanks to runtime revolution. I would suggest what would be more valuable is a shell that can run pharo apps packaged as mobile apps. Sent from the road > On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:35, Richard Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > According to TIOBE, which is hardly a reliable metric, this month Java and Python are enjoying a massive upswing in popularity. In fact, TIOBE will most likely name Java Programming Language of the Year for 2015. (Both languages have been on an upward trajectory all year.) > > It's not hard to understand why Java's popularity is improving. Android programming is becoming more important, as the platform has begun to exceed iOS in terms of user experience with the advent of Lollipop and Marshmallow. Then there's the rise of the "Internet of Things," where Java seems to be well-suited. > > (I'm not sure what explains Python's bump in popularity, though. Maybe there's an increasing appetite for languages that are easy to learn. A clean, simple syntax is very, very important!) > > I think, more than ever, we need to have Smalltalk on the JVM. Java cannot be allowed to hog the limelight of IT. I was pinning my hopes on Redline, but I'm not sanguine about its future progress. > > Rather than waste time with PharoJS, wouldn't it be more prudent to focus on putting Pharo on the JVM?

Dec. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] seeking your tutorials

by garduino

stepharo wrote > I have the magritte tutorial and we are writing a web tutorial covering > Mongo and Seaside. Does exist a new Magritte tutorial? Where? Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/seeking-your-tutorials-tp4866274p4866671.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 11, 2015